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A66969 The Protestants plea for a Socinian justifying his doctrine from being opposite to Scripture or church authority, and him from being guilty of heresie, or schism : in five conferences. R. H., 1609-1678. 1686 (1686) Wing W3451; ESTC R9786 39,781 47

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