corruptions as may partly appeare by the Abridgement of the Ministers of Lincolne Dyocesse The Protestant Authour of the Aduertisement testifieth h Aduertisemēt an 1604 The Bible is peruerted in 848. places in the old Testament The English Protestant Bible is inferior to the Turkes Alcaron And so Christianity is denyed in England by publike authority Therefore most justly might his Majesty say in the publike conference i Conference pag. 46. That he could neuer yet see a Bible well translated into English but the worst of all he thought the Geneua to be Chapter 6. The true lawfull and juridicall exposition of Scriptures is in the Roman Church and not with Protestants THE true and vvarranted exposition of Scriptures is absolutely proued before to belong to the true Church of Christ and the Roman Church For this place D. Field vvriteth thus a Field lib. 4. c. 19. pa. 134. We confesse that neither conference of places nor consideration of the Antecedentia and Consequentia nor looking into the originals are of any force vnlesse we finde the thinges which we conceiue to be vnderstood and meant in the places interpreted to be consonant to the rule of faith And this rule of faith as he further teacheth b page 242. must be tryed either by the generall practise of the Church the renowmed of all ages or the Pastors of an Apostolike Church vvhich as the vvorld can vvitnesse no Protestant can make clayme vnto Therefore as D. Couell vvriteth c Couell def of Hooker pag. 85. Doctrines deriued exhortations deducted interpretations agreeable are not the word of God And yet these be the groundes of Protestant religion and those vvhereupon their pretended faith and justification it selfe vvith them dependeth Although D. Field thus againe condemneth it d Field p. 226 Priuate interpretation is not so proposed and vrged as if they would binde all others to receiue it Therefore he assigneth e page 228. three kindes of interpretation and judgement One of discretion common to all the other of direction in the Pastours of the Church and a third of jurisdiction proper to them that haue supreame power in the Church And this third hee only acknowledgeth in the Bishops assembled in a generall Councell which as he teacheth may interpret the Scripture and by their authority suppresse all them that gaine-say such interpretation and subject euery man that shall disobey such determinations as they consent vpon to excommunication and censures of like nature Hitherto his vvordes Nowe that there neither hath beene nor possibly can bee any generall Councell among Protestants none clayming further jurisdiction then their owne temporall Terrytories it is both apparant to all and acknovvledged f Relation of relig cap. 47. in expresse vvordes by the Protestant Relator of religion And yet besides D. Field recited before D. Sutcliffe g Sutcl subuers pa. 119. D. Morton h Morton epist dedicat 2. part Apol. lib. 4. 2. part Apol. pa. 340 cap. 18. M. Willet i Willet Antilog and the rest acknowledge ordinarily that a generall Councell hath the highest and binding judgement And although M. Willet doth say k Willet prefat Engl. Antilog pag. 71. 120. That in England the temporall Prince is Gouernour ruler chiefe ouerseer and steward of the Church to whose judgement and redresse the reformation of religion belongeth Yet he addeth l Pag. 150. 43. supr Neither he nor their Church hath any priuiledge from errour But plainely protesteth m Willet prefa to the reader in Antilo They must take out a newe lesson and learne to reforme their erroneous conceits And more then this is generally taught and confessed among them of which hereafter For this time and place I will only make exemplification of D. Doue his graunt and confession vvhich followeth in these vvordes n D. Doue perswas pag. 31. When the Masse was first put downe King Henry had his English Lyturgie and that was judged absolute without exception but when King Edward came to the Crowne that was condemned and an other in the place which Peter Martir and Bucer did approue as very consonant to Gods word When Queene Elizabeth beganne her raigne the former was judged to be full of imperfections and a newe was deuised and allowed by the consent of the Clergie but about the middle of her raigne we grewe weary of that booke and great meanes haue beene wrought to abandon that and establish an other which although it was not obtayned yet we doe at the least at euery change of Prince change our booke of common prayers we be so wanton that we knowe not what we would haue Hitherto his wordes and he freely confesseth errours in all these states and changes Yet this flitting from errour to errour finding no center hath beene so grieuous euen to some Protestants that the Suruey of the booke of common prayer vseth these wordes o Suruey of the commun booke pag. 159. 160. The late Archbishop of Canterbury as is credibly reported tooke such a griefe when the communion booke should haue beene altered discouered by these or like wordes good Lord when shall we knowe what to trust vnto that he presently fell into his palsey was carryed from the Court and dyed shortly after But let any man enter into a serious consideration of Protestant doctrine in this point that vnder paine of damnation vve are bound to finde and followe the truth That generall Councels as before may subject euery man disobeying their determinations to excommunication and censures of like nature the most terrible and fearefull punishment of this world And Protestants in England so seuerely punish all Catholikes for not consenting to their religion which themselues thus loade with errours and all judgements Ecclesiasticall euen generall Councels p Articul 21. anno 1562. may erre and haue erred euen in thinges pertayning vnto God as is defined in their Articles and is commonly taught and beleeued with them to excuse their errours This consideration is able to putmen not regardlesse of saluation into more then a quaking palsey Chapter 7. Traditions are of equall authority with Scripture yet proue Catholike religion THE dignity and authority of vnwritten and Apostolicall Traditions being lawfully proued was euer esteemed such that M. Wotton affirmeth a Wotton def of Perkins pag. 405. Out of all question we are bound to keepe them And telleth b page 436. That M. Perkins was of the same opinion c Field p. 134 D. Field speaketh of such Traditions in these vvordes There is no reason but these should be equall with the Scriptures For it is not the writing that giueth these thinges their authority but the worth and credit of him that deliuereth them though by word and liuely voice only He addeth also d Field p. 240 that the perpetuall Virginity of our Lady was a Tradition and only receiued by such authority and so doe other Protestants And both they
is a Sacrament by Tradition With the ancient Father S. Basil M. Wotton d Wotton def of Perkins p. 465. 466. so assuring vs of his opinion that the very profession of our faith by which we beleeue in the Father the Sonne and the holy Ghost is a Tradition With D. Ceuell e Cou. against the plea of the Innoc. p. 104. That it was an Apostolicall Tradition or Ordination to ordayne Archbishops in their Prouinces as Bishops also in their Diocesse to rule the Church With the Bishop of Winchester f B. Bilsons Suruey of Christs sufferings p. 664. against the Puritans that the Article of Christes discent to hell and the Creede wherein it is contayned is an Apostolicall Tradition deliuered to the Church by the direction and agreement of the Apostles And to conclude briefly why may not we say with the Councell of Florence cited by M. Willet g Willet Synop controuers 1. q. 7. for generall and the Patriarkes of the Apostolike Sees there present with the Councell of Constance not of vnequal authority and the Councel of Trent to passe others with six Cardinals foure Legates three Patriarkes two and thirty Archbishops two hundred twenty eight Bishops and fiue Abbots there assembled as D. Doue telleth vs that Protestancy in all points is false and Catholike religion true when no Protestant Church can shewe any one such like authority for their cause And this of necessity D. Field with his Protestants must acknowledge or freely by their recited doctrine confesse that there neither is nor can be hereafter by his rules true and certayne Scripture Tradition or Religion in the world For if we neither haue Scripture exposition of the difficulties in it or Tradition but by Tradition as he hath graunted and those only three rules to knowe them if those rules may propose vnto vs false Scriptures false expositions of their obscurities and false Traditions in matters of faith faith cannot be certayne and religion grounded vpon it is ouerthrowne Chapter 8. Of the authority and commanding highest power of generall Councels prouing the doctrine of the Roman Church IT may sufficiently be gathered by that which hath beene entreated before both that generall Councels are of highest authority in the Church of Christ and their testimony for Catholike religion Therefore to be briefe in this question concerning their chiefest judgement and preeminence first the Bishop of Winchester writeth thus a B. Bils Suruey of Christs suffer pa. 83. The authority of generall Councels is most holsome in the Church and citeth S. Augustine to that purpose D. Morton writeth b Mortō part 2. Apol. pag. 340. l. 4. c. 18 That concilium publicum est summus judex a generall Councell is highest judge The Protestant Relator of religion is of the same opinion c Relation of the state of relig cap. 47. and calleth it the only remedie in such times of controuersies about religion D. Sutcliffe hath these wordes d Sutcl subu pag. 119. Generall Councels haue souer aigne authority in externall gouernement And againe e Sutc. against D. Kellison p. 41. 42. 102. False it is that we will admit no judge but Scriptures for we appeale still to a lawfull generall Councell f Sutcl subu epist dedicat We hold all the Christian faith explaned in the six generall Councels D. Field is so cleare in this question that he telleth vs first g Field pag. 226. cap. 16. Priuate interpretations doe not binde vs nor are proposed to that purpose secondly he teacheth h Field p. 228 that only Bishops assembled in a generall Councell haue authority to interpret Scriptures and by their authority to suppresse all them that gaine-say such interpretation and subject euery man that shall disobey such determinations as they consent vpon to excommunication and censures of like nature Hitherto of the highest dignity of generall Councels Nowe let vs examine by these Protestants whether they be for them or Catholikes That they be not nor can be for Protestants thus I demonstrate from themselues The wordes of the Protestant Relator of religion are these i Relation of religion c. 47 The Protestants are seuered bandes or rather scattered troopes each drawing a diuers way without any meanes to pacifie their quarrels to take vp their controuersies No Prince with any preeminence of jurisdiction aboue the rest no Patriarke one or more to haue a common superintendance or care of their Churches for correspondency and vnity no ordinary way to assemble a generall Councell of their part the only hope remayning euer to asswage their contentions Hitherto the Relator Where vve see that first the Protestants are diuided secondly they are without any meanes of vnion in controuersies there is no jurisdiction among them no way for that which is the only hope to end contentions in religion therefore this only and highest remedie by generall Councels cannot possibly be for them except they will haue an Vnion Church Faith Truth and Religion vnpossible The same is sufficiently also proued before from D. Couell in my Chapter k Cap. 3. supr Couell against the plea of the Innoc. pag. 103. 104 105. 106 107 108. 109. of the Popes authority where he alloweth of necessity one highest chiefe spirituall commander in the Church to such purposes And shewing how before the time of Constantine there could be no pretence of any Councell to be assembled but by the spiritual authority he addeth thus l Couell supr pag. 110. The Synode of Rome in the yeare 225 called by Cornelius Pope of Rome against Nouatus consisted of threescore Bishops many others of the Clergie And further in these wordes m page 109. And after when Princes came to embrace the faith the best meanes they could deuise to procure peace and aduance religion was by their lawes to referre Ecclesiasticall causes to Ecclesiasticall judges Nowe concerning the Roman Church first the Protestant Relator of religion which hath excluded Protestants from al hope of any generall Councell writeth of the Roman Church in the same place and in these wordes n Relation of relig supr cap. 47. The other Catholikes haue the Pope as a common father aduiser and conductor to them al to reconcile their jarres to appease their displeasures to decide their difference aboue all thinges to drawe their religion by consent of Councels to vnity And this is so cleare in the judgement of al these Protestants that when they denie the authority of generall Councels they haue no pretence of excuse but because they were called by the Popes authority so D. Field o Field booke of the church D. Sutcliffe p Sutcl subu against Kellison c. M. Willet q Will. Antil and the rest And yet D. Fields argument or rule of the Pastour of an Apostolike Church the primatiue Church and holy Fathers consenting doth warrant vs that priuiledge euer belonged to the See of Rome that without
Church is still the true Church of Christ it contayneth and continueth all thinges necessary to saluation they which liue and die therein may be saued and being the true Church by the z Articul 19. 1562. Couell defen of Hooker pag. 67. ninetenth Article of Protestant religion it must needes be as before is cited a congregation of faithfull men in the which the pure word of God is preached and the Sacraments be duly ministred according to Christes ordinance in all those thinges that of necessity are requisite to the same Then seing according to his Majesties sentence a King-speach in Parliam I acknowledge the Roman Church to be our mother Church And in the publike conference his regall resolution being this b Conference at Hampton pag. 75. That no Church ought further to seperate it selfe from the Church of Rome either in doctrine or ceremony then shee hath departed from her selfe when shee was in her flourishing and best estate and from Christ her Lord and head vvhich by the testimonies before is nothing at al in any necessary question but stil it joyneth vs to Christ both by doctrine and Sacraments in this life and with glory in heauen therefore we may not forsake it in earth Chapter 3. Wherein these Protestants teach the necessity of one supreame spirituall head and commander in the Church of Christ howe S. Peter was this chiefe among the Apostles and after him his successors the Popes of Rome IF vve examine a little further the testimonies of these men whereas some vnchristian sermons and bookes haue heretofore tearmed the Bishop of Rome to be the great Antichrist and seducer of the vvorld vve shall nowe receiue a better doctrine and more religious answere That there euer was and must be one chiefe and supreame spirituall head and commander of the Church of Christ in earth That in the time of the Apostles and among them it vvas S. Peter the first Bishop of Rome And after him the Bishops and Popes of that same Apostolike See therein succeeding in that supreame binding and commanding authority D. Field citeth and approueth this a Field pag. 138. as a generall and infallible rule Ecclesiae salus in summi Sacerdotis dignitate pendet c. The health of the Church dependeth on the dignity of the high Priest whose eminent authority if it be denyed then will be so many Schismes in the Church as there be Priests then of necessity one chief supreame high Priest must be assigned in his judgement And D. Couell entreating of this spirituall and highest Monarchicall regiment and necessity thereof writeth thus b Couell against the plea of the Innocent pag. 106. We easily see that equality doth breede factions and therefore wisemen to suppresse the seedes of dissentions haue made one aboue the rest And that no man should esteeme this as an humane ordinance either prouided by Councels as some Protestants vvould perswade or giuen or graunted by Phocas the Emperor about the yeare of our Lord 607. for Boniface then Pope his successors to vse D. Downames wordes c Downame lib. 1. pag. 4. to be head of the Catholike or vniuersall Church This Protestant authour both testifieth and proueth it to be the institution of Christ himselfe and first among his Apostles of whome he speaketh thus d Couell supr pag. 106. Because in the execution of holy thinges where the persons put in trust are but men discord and disorder vsually doe breake in the wisdome of God thought it necessary that amongst them who for their ministery were equall an inequality for order and superiority to command should be graunted that by this meanes order and vnion should both be preserued in Christes Church Which if it concerne all persons and ages in the Church of Christ as surely it doth the gouernement must not cease with the Apostles And againe hee proueth this spirituall supreamacy to bee perpetuall because novve there is more neede in these times of sinne and dissentions And yet saith he e Couell supr pag. 107. It was the principall meanes to preuent Schismes and dissentions in the primatiue Church when the graces of God were farre more aboundant and eminent then nowe they are nay if the twelue were not like to agree except there had beene one chiefe amongst them for saith Saint Hierome amongst the twelue one was therefore chosen that a chiefe being appointed occasion of dissention might be preuented c. And he disputeth thus against the Puritans f Supr pag. 107. Howe can they thinke that equality would keepe all the Pastors of the world in vnity And adjudgeth this supreame spirituall power so necessary in the Church of God that he addeth Seing that all men may easily erre and that no errours are so dangerous as those which concerne religion the Church should be in a farre worse case then the meanest common-wealth nay almost then a denne of Theeues if it were destitute of meanes either to conuince heresies or to suppresse them Novve it is no great labour to define vvho vvas this chiefe and commander among the Apostles and vvho after that time vvas novve is and must continue Among the twelue Apostles I doe not remember that any Protestant preferreth any other before Saint Peter then Saint Hierome and D. Couell assuring vs that among them one was chiefe vve may conclude it of Saint Peter And this the rather because D. Sutcliffe vvriteth thus g Sutcl subuers pag. 40. Tertullian giueth the keyes only to Peter saying that the Church is built vpon him And thus D. Sutcliffe testifieth for himselfe h Supr pag. 3. Peter preached in no place but he there ordayned Bishoppes and teachers and founded Churches vvhich in his booke against D. Kellison he i Sutcliffe against Kellison pag. 105. maketh an argument of supreamacy D. Field telleth vs from Scripture k Field p. 196 That Christ promised to build his Church vpon Saint Peter Then no Christian vvill doubt except hee vvill doubt of Christes truth and promises but it vvas so performed Concerning the supreamacie of the Church of Rome his Majesty before acknowledgeth it to be our mother Church and it was a rule Kings speach confer sup to all both in doctrine and ceremonies when it was in her flourishing and best estate D. Couell writeth thus l Couell def of Hooker The Church of Rome was the chiefe and only Church M. Ormerod m Ormer pict pap pag. 184. calleth it the eye of the West in vvhich diuision England is and the anker of piety M. Downame graunteth n Downame l. 2. Antich pag. 105. it was a note of a good Christian to cleane vnto the Roman Apostolicall Church And thus both they D. Sutcliffe o Sutcl epist dedicat of subuers and pag. 89. D. Field p Field of the Church c. and the rest doe ordinarily yeeld that it continued vntill the yeare of Christ six hundred and
seauen when Bonifacius Pope there claimed as they say supreamacy first in the Church D. Downames vvordes be q Downame lib. 1. pag. 4. About the yeare of our Lord six hundred and seauen Boniface the Pope and his Successours claymed and obtayned to be head of the Catholike or Vniuersall Church Then I thus demonstrate from these Protestants that this Church of Rome both claymed and exercised this supreame authority vvhen it vvas in this flourishing and best estate a rule to Churches of faith anker of piety c. First D. Sutcliffe is vvitnesse r Sutcl subuers pag. 57. Ireneus saith that euery Church ought to haue respect to the Church of Rome for her eminent principallity vvhich vvas long before any generall Councell or Christian Emperour to giue or allowe this priuiledge Secondly D. Field plainely acknowledgeth ſ Field lib. 3. cap. 1. that the supreamacy belonged to the Popes of Rome before the first Nicen Councell Then by the rules vvhich he giueth to knowe true Traditions t pa. 242. sup custome of the Church consent of Fathers or an Apostolike Churches testimony this must needes be of that kinde And then equall in authority vvith Scripture as he acknowledgeth u page 134. of such Traditions M. Ormerod ascendeth to Pope Anacletus liuing within an hundred yeares of Christ his wordes be these x Ormer pict pap pag. 78. To proue that the Church of Rome hath the preeminence ouer all Churches Anacletus alleadgeth Math. 16. vers 18. Vpon this Rocke will I build my Church and he expoundeth it thus super hanc Petram id est super Ecclesiam Romanam Vpon this Rocke that is vpon the Church of Rome will I build my Church This is as great a clayme of supreamacy and by as great vvarrant as any Pope nowe claymeth it Yet Anacletus vvas a Saint and holy Pope euen in the best estate of that Church Againe there were at those daies accounted but three great parts of the world Asia Africke Europe yet we are told by these Protestants that the Pope in that flourishing and vnspotted time of the Church of Rome claymed and exercised this supreamacy in all these parts For Asia though in the Greeke Church D. Couell telleth vs y Couell against the plea of the Innoc. pa. 65. that Pope Victor in that time did authoritatiuely clayme supreamacy ouer all Asia excommunicating the Churches of it to vse his wordes in seperating all Asia from the vnity of the faithfull for being disobedient in the point and question of Easter What greater supreamacy can be claymed in the Church then to excommunicate and put forth of the Church so great a part of the world D. Downame yeeldeth to Bellarmine y Downame lib. 2. Antich pag. 105. that S. Augustine Victor Vticensis in Africke vvere of opinion that to adhere to the Church of Rome was a marke of a true Catholike in those times And M. Perkins saith z Per. problem pa. 237. 238. Appeales were often made out of Africke to the Popes of Rome in those dayes Neither doth this Doctor denie a Down supr pa. 106. 107. but the Bishops then did sweare obedience to the Pope And entreating of a Bishop recanting his heresies he writeth of him in these wordes b Down supr pag. 107. He sweareth to renounce his former heresies to professe maintayne that faith religion which the Bishoppe and Church of Rome did professe M. Ormerod witnesseth c Ormerod supr pag. 44. that S. Leo taught that God did assist and direct that See in decrees Of Europe there can be no question for generally Protestants agree with D. Field d Field of the Church D. Doue e Doue persw pag. 29. 30. D. Couell f Couel defen of Hook pag. 74. 75. 76. and M. Ormerod g Ormer pict pap pag. 184 that the regiment of the West Churches among which this nation is belonged to the Pope of Rome And D. Sutcliffe giueth particuler examples h Sutcl subu pag. 19. how S. Gregory cōmanded to vse his wordes the Bishops of France commanded also in England the constituting of our Archbishop S. Augustine and the very See of that preeminence at Canterbury D. Couell vvriteth the same i Cou. against Burges p. 49. of Pope Gregories commanding authority in all Spayne who prouoked by the heresie of the Arrians commanded that through all Spaine there should be but once dipping in Baptisme M. Middleton vvitnesseth k Middleton papistomast pag. 39. that at the least the first generall Councell of Nice taught the dignity of Rome ouer the West Prouinces in which we of this nation are and that by old custome which was when that Church was in her best and flourishing estate a rule to all And to proue this custome both larger then ouer the West that is vniuersal ouer al Churches and from the Apostles he addeth thus l page 200. Papias liuing in the Apostles time taught Peters primacy Romish Episcopality And D. Downame writeth thus m Downame l. 1. Anticl rist cap. 3. pa. 35. Diuers Bishops of Rome before the time of Socrates the Historian in that vnspotted reguler time of that Church contended to haue the primacy ouer all other Churches and that is the chiefe scope of many of their Epistles decretall Neither doth D. Downame n page 36. denie but both Iustinian the Emperor and the great generall Councell of Chalcedon in the primatiue Church attributed to the Pope of Rome to be head of the Church which he saith is the greatest stile And he addeth thus of that Church in that best estate Titles of honour and preeminence were giuen to the Church of Rome as the chiefe or head of the Churches And againe Before the graunt of Phocas the Church of Rome had the preeminence and superiority ouer all other Churches excepting that of Constantinople And both D. Field o Field lib. 1. of the Church telleth him absolutely that the Title of Constantinople was but intruded and vsurped And when the first Nicen Councell gaue such honour to the Roman Church there was not so much as the name of Constantinople And that this preeminence and superiority was a commanding and binding authority is proued before from all parts of the world wherein it was exercised in that best and flourishing estate of that Church That no Councell could be kept none confirmed nothing concluded in the primatiue Church without the Bishoppe of Rome his approbation wil approue in the chapter of Councels hereafter Wherefore seing we haue beene taught before by Protestants that one primacy chiefe commanding authority was euer necessary in the true Church of Christ That S. Peter as chiefe of the Apostles had and exercised it in that time And after him the primatiue and most ancient holy Popes of Rome as successors vnto him euer claimed exercised and executed the same soueraigne spiritual Pastorall office
the consent thereof no Councell could be called none confirmed as Pope Damasus r Damas epist ad Illiric hist tripart lib. 5. c. 28. vel 29. Theodor. hist Socrat. hist l. 2. c. 17. Sozō the ancient Fathers and Hystorians witnesse And the Bishoppe of Winchester graunteth these propositions ſ True differēce p. 66. 67 edit an 1586 The Canon of the primatiue Church made euery thing voide that was done without the Bishop of Rome And againe The Canon of the primatiue Church forbad any Councell to be called without his consent t Middleton papistom pag. 39. M. Middleton telleth vs that the first Nicen Councell did approue the dignity of Rome at the least ouer the West prouinces by old custome And if vve should enter into particulers First B. Bilson will tell vs that the Councell of Constance u p. 119 120. vvhere the Protestant doctrine was condemned in Husse and Wicliffe was a generall Councell So he witnesseth of the Councell of Basil x p. 124. 125. condemning the same for heresie M. Willet y Willet Synops controuers 1. q. 7. Limbomastix apud Parkes p. 137. 180. both in his Synopsis and Lymbomastix as M. Parkes is witnesse against him and himselfe also so accounteth it graunteth the same of the Councell of Florence where the seauen Sacraments Purgatory the Popes Supremacy c. were confirmed Of the Councell of Trent no man will question And yet D. Doue hath assured vs before z Doue persw pag. 14. that there were present in that Councell six Cardinals foure Legates three Patriarkes two and thirty Archbishops two hundred twenty eight Bishops The third part of such an assembly would haue beene a great countenance to Protestant religion farre greater then euer it had or is like to procure D. Couell a Couell def of Hook p. 21 and M. Parkes b Parkes against limbomastix p. 176 cite approue as a rule of faith the great Councell of Lateran where transubstantiation was defined and joyneth it with the primatiue Councels of Ephesus and Chalcedon and in the high matter of faith the Deity of the holy Ghost And to ascend to the first of Nice the Protestants haue confessed before c cap. 4. supr that Scriptures which we receiue and they denie were there approued M. Willet d Will. Antil pag. 88. 89. calleth the primatiue Councels of Neocaesarea Toletane the first and the fixt generall Councell allowed before by D. Sutcliffe wherein both generall and prouinciall precedent Councels vvere approued The Papall Church Popery doctrine in Popery And of the seauenth generall Councell he writeth thus e Will. Antil pag. 178. The Greekes in a generall Councell held at Nice confirmed and allowed the adoration of Images But this may suffice of this question for both the Popes supreamacy from the beginning and the authority of all ancient Councels Fathers and Hystories are so manifest for the present doctrine of the Roman Church That M. Middleton telleth vs f Middleton papistomast pag. 200. Papias liuing in the Apostles time taught Peters primacy or Romish Episcopality Concerning the second he vvriteth in these vvordes g page 193. supr Perusing Councels Fathers and Stories from the Apostles forward we finde the print of the Popes feete Whereby is manifest that euen from the Apostles to this present the doctrine of the Church of Rome was alwaies as occasion vvas giuen approued decreed and taught by the holy Councels Fathers and Hystories of all ages Chapter 9. The testimonie of ancient Fathers of great authority and for the doctrine of the Roman Church LASTLY in these generall questions or directions in religion let vs come to the testimony of the holy and learned Fathers of the primatiue Church although of these it appeareth by the former Chapter And consider first the value and dignity of their authority secondly to whose cause whether of Catholikes or Protestants it beareth witnesse The Bishop of Winchester in his Suruey of Christes sufferings writeth thus a B. Bilsons Suruey p. 85. The ancient consent of Godly Fathers is with great care to be searched and followed of vs chiefly in the rule of faith And againe b pa. 82. sup We rest vpon the Scriptures of God vpon the authority of the ancient Doctors and Councels And to the objection of those Protestants which say c page 83. The Canon of the Scriptures is perfect and sufficient in it selfe for all thinges therefore what neede is there that the authority of Ecclesiasticall interpretation should be joyned with it He answereth with Vincentius Lirinensis in these wordes Least euery man should wrest the Scriptures to his fansie and sucke thence not the truth but the patronage of his errour And he addeth that S. Augustine gaue this respect not only to generall Councels but to the testimonies of particuler Fathers Ireneus Cyprian Hilarius Ambrose Gregory Chrisostome Basil and others D. Sutcliffe writeth thus d Sutcl subuers pag. 87. We acknowledge the faith of the Fathers of the fourth fift and sixt ages and adjoyne our selues to that Church And against D. Kellison he vseth these wordes e Sutcliffe against D. Kellison pag. 17. The Fathers in all points of faith are for vs Protestants and not for the Pope M. Willet in the end of his Antilogie sweareth the matter in this manner f Willet Antilog p. 263. I take God to witnesse before whome I must render account c. That the same faith and religion which I defend is taught and confirmed in the more substantiall points by these Hystorians Councels Fathers that liued within fiue or six hundred yeares after Christ And in the page following his wordes be these g p. 264. supr It is most notoriously euident that for the grossest points of Popery as transubstantiation sacrifice of Masse worshipping of Images justification by workes the supreamacy of the Pope prohibition of Mariage and such other they Catholikes haue no shewe at al of any euidence from the Fathers within fiue hundred yeares of Christ And thus againe h Willet Antilog pa. 271. The ancient Fathers that liued within six hundred yeares after Christ are against them And thus I might alleadge from others especially triumphing in this manner either when they write against Puritans whome the Fathers condemne as the Bishop of Winchester is cited or when they speake in generall and the authorities of Fathers are neither to be answered as produced by Catholikes or alleadged for Protestants as it appeareth in those places of D. Sutcliffe and M. Willets great and glorious speaches of the Fathers But when these men are either to answere those primatiue Fathers cited for our cause or stand vpon their testimony in particuler for themselues the case is altered as is objected i Apud B. Bils Suruey p. 84 to the Bishop of Winchester by his Puritan opposite But howe truly they keepe their vvordes and oathes in these protestations shall be hereafter