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A21108 A plaine path-vvay to plantations that is, a discourse in generall, concerning the plantation of our English people in other countries. Wherein is declared, that the attempts or actions, in themselues are very good and laudable, necessary also for our country of England. Doubts thereabout are answered: and some meanes are shewed, by which the same may, in better sort then hitherto, be prosecuted and effected. Written for the perswading and stirring vp of the people of this land, chiefly the poorer and common sort to affect and effect these attempts better then yet they doe. With certaine motiues for a present plantation in New-found land aboue the rest. Made in the manner of a conference, and diuided into three parts, for the more plainnesse, ease, and delight to the reader. By Richard Eburne of Hengstridge in the countie of Somerset. Eburne, Richard. 1624 (1624) STC 7471; ESTC S105454 98,023 134

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found true Ducimur omnes pr●…mio 2. If neither desire to further Christs kingdome nor to seeke their owne preferment can preuaile with any so farre as Sua Sponte to giue themselues to so good a worke I see not why the Church it selfe or the Bishop himselfe should not be thought to haue authoritie and power enough to thrust forth Labourers into this Haruest and to lay this charge vpon such as shall be fit for it inioyning them to goe in the Name of God as was done Act. 8 14. and 13. 2. and 15. 22. and Galat. 29. 3 Such course and care may also be had at the first in diuision of parishes that all parishes being made of a competent largenesse not as here in England too too many are so little that theyyeeld the Minister neither one quarter of a comfortable goodly congregation or auditorie nor one halfe of a cōpetent and honest maintenance both the fewer Ministers may suffice and they that be may haue competent and commendable allowance to liue vpon for them and their families 4. Also it must be considered that if Schollers that is Graduates and men of note for learning cannot be had it may suffise sometimes that such be inuited to the Ministerie as are of meane knowledge so as they haue good vtterance and be of sound and honest life and conuersation Resp. I did little thinke that you would haue thought any such fit for that place Enr. Why not In England it selfe we are faine sometimes to receiue such into the Ministerie I beleeue so it wil be as long as England is England much more may it be borne within the infancie of a Church where neither Schooles nor other means for learned and able men are yet planted Better such then none I haue read in an ancient Ecclesiasticall Historie that on a time there were two lay men that made a voyage vnto the Indians and remaining there a good while they did in the best manner they could informe and perswade many of them to the Christian faith and found the people very tractable At length returning home one of them whose name was Frumentius comming to Alexandria his citie goeth vnto the Bishop of the place which at that time was Athanasius that renowned Clerke surnamed for his great learning sincerity in faith Oculus mundi the eye of the world acquaints him with the matter praying him withall that he would send a Bishop and other Teachers thither that might goe forward with that worke of the Lord of which he said there was great hope Athanasius hauing called together for that purpose the Clergie of his citie considering a little of the matter stands vp and saith And where shall we finde such a man so fit for this imployment as your selfe Frumentius are in whom is the spirit of our God and therevpon presently all the rest approuing it he made him a Minister and a Bishop and sent him backe with others forthwith to furnish what he had begun and the Lord made the worke to prosper in his hand confirming the word with many signes and wonders following saith the Historie By this story you may see that holy men of God euen in the primitiue Church did not stand much vpon it to admit meane men and not professed schollers onely into the Ministerie where they saw other gifts correspondent and withall that Bishops vsed in those times and had power and authoritie to send forth men into forraine countries to preach and plant the Gospel And of these kinde of men let this suffice 13. But then farther besides these last mentioned and aboue all these hitherto spoken of I adde there must bee by some meanes or other drawne and induced to goe as Gouernours and Leaders of the rest some store of men of Name and Note men by whose power and authoritie greatnesse and grauitie purse and presence the multitude afore mentioned may be encouraged ordered and guided Common sense and reason can sufficiently enforme euery man that no body can consist without a head nor Army without a Generall no company without a Conductor and no societie without a Ruler And Nature her selfe teaching the Amazonian Bees not to swarme without their Ladie and the Cranes not to flie without their Leader may easily teach vs that we shall transgresse the very order of Nature and neglect that instinct which is ingraffed in all if we shall make such a remouall without the conduct of such men as for their place and power birth and breed may be fit to order and rule to support and settle the rest And if men of this ranke would once roundly set their foot to this way and their hand to this worke as Moses did with the Elders of Israel towards the Land of Canaan Aeneas and the noble Troians into Italie and Brutus and his Allies for this Land it were not to be doubted but their example and industrie would more preuaile in one yeere or two to draw multitudes with and after them then all the proiects hitherto without such attempted haue procured Resp. If men of place and authoritie in the Temporall State for of them onely you seeme to speake be so necessarie vnto such a worke as you seeme to imply me thinkes it should be as necessary likewise that there should goe some that may carrie like authoritie and place in the estate Ecclesiasticall Enr. I am of the same mind also It cannot be but requisit and necessarie that as well for the gouerning of Ministers themselues alreadie made as also for the ordering or making of more where need is for the Institution of them to Churches for the Diuision of Parishes the endowing erecting and consecrating of Churches and other like Episcopall and Ecclesiasticall duties and emploiments which must be followed and exercised instantly if we meane to make a Christian and Religious Plantation indeed there should go some one or more according to the greatnesse of the Plantation to be Bishop there and some others besides that shall exercise vnder him or them Ecclesiasticall authoritie and iurisdiction lest faction and confusion like Tares among the Wheat grow faster there then Religion Order and Peace of the Church Resp. Now I suppose you haue said enough for this matter more it is I am sure then euer I heard in all my life and so much as makes me thinke certainly that if in such a sort as you haue implyed and with such persons a Plantation were set forth then it would prosper indeed Enr. You thinke I haue said all in all that can be said but I tell you there is one thing yet vnsaid which in mine opinion is more materiall then any one thing whatsoeuer hitherto mentioned That indeed which must and would giue life to all the rest and without which the whole attempt wheresoeuer it be seemes to me to be like a building on the sand which you know will in the end haue a fall and the fall thereof will be