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A20964	The waters of Siloe To quench the fire of purgatory and to drowne the traditions, limboes, mans satisfactions and all popish indulgences, against the reasons and allegations of a Portugall frier of the order of St. Frances, supported by three treatises. The one written by the same Franciscan and entituled The fierie torrent, &c. The other two by two doctors of Sorbon. The one intituled The burning furnasse. The other The fire of Helie. By Peter Du Moulin minister of Gods word. Faithfully translated out of French by I.B.; Accroissement des eaux de Siloé. English	Du Moulin, Pierre, 1568-1658.; Barnes, John, fl. 1600-1621, attributed name.; I. B., fl. 1612.	1612 (1612)	STC 7343; ESTC S111086	158,344	552

his word cleere the peoples minds from all doubts or difficulties withal cut of the pathes that lead to this trafficke How vniustly the Frier and his fellowes doe make vse of the example of the primitiue Church in matter of Indulgences In the times of persecutions the primitiue Church sought all meanes possible to honour martyrdome and to encourage the Christians thereto Amōg other meanes they had taken vp a custome that such as for any notorious offence were cut of from the Church for some long time did resort to the prisons wherein such as suffered for the gospel were detained there besought these Martyres to make intercession to the Church that the time of their pennance and excommunication might be abridged and thus did the Bishops vse at the intercessions of these prisoners appointed to martyrdome to readmit the penitent into the Congregation S. Cyprian in his sermon of the fallen also in the second Epistle of his fourth booke and Tertullian in his booke De pudicitia doe disallow this custome thinke thay they yeeld too much to these imprisoned Martyrs Yea Tertullian speaketh thereof in his book of the Martyrs cap. 1. Our adversaries like the Israelites that gathered straw vnder the bondage of Pharao for want of more substantiall proofes doe make vse of this custome in their establishing of the Popes Indulgences and in the distribution of the overplus workes and superabundant satisfactions of the Saints collected into the Popes treasurie and converted into paimentes for others Tertullian calleth thē appointed Martyrs wherein I suppose they haue no intent that men should beleeue them so farre from all apparance doe they speake 1. These Martyrs that S. Cyprian spak of were yet aliue those that our adversaries spake of are dead 2. Wee cannot finde that ever the paine of any sinner was abridged by the merits and superabundant sufferings of these Martyres who would never haue vndergon those torments had they not beleeved that God called them thereto and consequently that they were bound to endure them so it followeth that they neither did nor suffered any thing supererogatory for they could not doe otherwise vnlesse they would haue denied the Gospell 3. These imprisoned Martyrs commended to the Church this or that penitent and besought that they might be receaued into the Communion but they neither paid for them nor redeemed them as our adversaries doe say that the Saints by their sufferings are in some sort our redeemers 4. These Martyrs entreated only that the sinner might bee admitted to the Communion not that he might be exempt from Purgatory 5. In those daies there was no speech of this worthie treasure of the Church composed of the superabundant satisfactions of Iesus Christ and his Saints 6. Every Bishop imposed or abridged the pains or excommunications in his owne flocke without expecting either advice or buls from the Bishop of Rome 7. In those daies men knew not the meaning of pardons hanged vpon certain Churches by his holinesse autoritie O what a goodly sight it would haue beene in those daies to haue seene such buls set vp and fixed vpon the Church dores or some one that might haue instructed the people in this new Gospell namely that his Papall holinesse having in his treasury all the superabundant satisfactions of Iesus Christ his Saints doth giue ten thousande or fiftie thousande yeares of plenary pardon and as many quarentines with the third of all their sinnes or even full Indulgence to every one that shall say a stinted number of Paters or Avees or his rosary or beads or weare or kisse some halowed grains or contribute some peece of mony or that shall ioine himselfe to the fraternitie of the Corde likewise that such a stinted number of Masses said vpon a certaine priviledged altar shal fetch out of Purgatory any one soule even such a one as he shall chuse that must pay for it also that such venerable pardons are to be purchased in such a Church vpon such a day even vntill sun set besides that he that shall buy these pardōs may chuse him a ghostly father such a one as in the houre of death shall absolue him from all his sinnes both frō the paine and from the fault Surely I say if any man in the primitiue Church should shaue preached so prodigious a doctrine even the little children would haue hissed after him or the Phisitians would haue felt his pulse so to haue learned the cause of his frensey and to purge his hypochondriall humour for as yet it was not the custome to burne any man for heresie Now in our enterview the Frier alleaged vnto me this intercession of the Martyrs for the penitent to defend papall Indulgences I answered that that intercession had no resemblance with the Popes Indulgences besides that that custome did Tertullian condemne Then did he take me vp in a most impudent manner saying that I was deceaued also that I tooke Tertullian for S. Cyprian but I told him that both the one and the other condemned this custome howbeit wee wanted bookes to satisfie the assistants vpon this point This did not the Frier forget in his booke and therefore marke his words pag. 12. The Minister should remember what a Novice be shewd himselfe in the reading of the fathers how hee mistooke himselfe in citing them quoting Tertullian for S. Cyprian But let him nowe learne that which he yet knewe not so confesse himselfe to be the Novice Tertullian in his book de Pudicitia cap. 22 complaineth of this custome at large even so farre forth as to say That diverse procured their own imprisonment that so they might be Intercessors for some of their friends or that they might commit folly with women detained in the same prison Violantur viri feminae in tenebris plane ex vsu libidinum notis Et pacem ab his quaerunt paenitentes qui de sua periclitantur In the end hee concludeth thus Sufficiat Martyri propria delicta purgasse Ingrati vel superbi est in alios quoque spargere quod pro magno fuerit consequutus Quis alienam mortem sua soluit nisi solus Dei filius c. that is to say Let it suffise the Martyr that hee hath purged his owne sinnes It is the part of an vnthankfull and proud person to seeke to impart to others that which hath beene granted to himselfe for a great grace What man did ever by his owne death satisfie for anothers death but the only sonne of God In al this appeareth both the Monks ignorance in commō matters as also his assurāce in speaking that which he knoweth not besides his childish waunting of prevailing in so slight a cause For had I named Tertullian for Cyprian can the weakenesse of my braine amend his cause but it is memory that fayleth him or rather knowledge but especially conscience Note in the meane time how well these Indulgences are vnderpropped with antiquitie for my adversaries in

of this fire howe chaunceth it that hee drawes out no more What humanity is this in him that is tearmed The holy father and is the head of the Church to let his children lie frying in the horrors of a flaming fire and yet is able to help them out And he who saith that if by his bad courses hee shoulde carry innumerable troopes of souls into hell with him Can. si Papa Dist 40. yet let no mā presume to reproue him for he that is iudge of all is not to be iudged of any Why doth hee not fetch thē out of Purgatory by troops 8. Neither are we here to alleadge that the Popes giue their pardons to the dead in forme of suffrages intercessiō but not of Iurisdictiō absolute power for in this questiō that is of no import because it is holden that in whatsoever forme the Pope giveth these pardons they be alwaies of force and the soules be released by thē out of this fire there fore our continual demand is this why he offereth not his Indulgences or suffrages for more folkes and for longer time then he doth 9. At the least this remaineth sith the Pope pretendeth Iuridical power over the living and giveth them pardons with Iurisdiction and power to absolue from all temporall paine why doth he not take order that every mā may before his death receiue ful Indulgence And that everie the soules of the faithfull may carry along with it three or foure hundred thousand yeares of pardon for her better indemnitie why should the French or Spanish be in lesse favour with God then the enhabitants of Rome of whō none goe to Purgatory vnlesse he be a very dolt considering that even at his dore he hath so many Churches where in in one day he may purchase two or three hundred thousand yeares of pardon 10. Again how is it that the Pope delivereth the soules that are not of his charge from so long and grievous a torment and yet cannot deliver the living that are as he saith of his charge from the smallest paines diseases and afflictions Hereto the Frier in liew of answer saith J am a foole and so overslippeth them with many frivolous demands to no purpose 11. Whereof also cōmeth it that our Doctors memories are so short as to forget that before hauing said that of necessitie the soules that haue not sufficiently satisfied in this life must be purged in Purgatory so to satisfie the Iustice of God they can now be content to permit the Pope by his pardons to fetch the soules out of this fire and thereby hinder both the purging of the soules and the satisfaction of Gods iustice But if they reply that Gods iustice is satisfied because the Pope presenteth for them the overplus of the merits of Iesus Christ and his Saints they runne themselues on the pikes for why did he not presēt to God the same merits before the soules departed out of their bodies so to exempt thē wholy out of Purgatory Or rather why should wee goe into Purgatory at all sith Iesus Christ sitting at the right hād of God and offering to his father his benefit for our redemptiō performeth all that the Pope pretendeth to doe Against so many such pregnant obiections our Doctors do shroud themselues vnder a miserable distinction as vnder a wet net against the raine They say that the Pope delivereth no soules out of Purgatory by any Iuridicall authoritie but by suffrages And the Doctor Du Val expoundeth this dictinction by a similitude he saith If the french King were desirous to redeeme out of Spaine a prisoner there detained for debts he would not offer to fetch him thence by authoritie or iurisdiction but by suffrage and entreatie offering his debt to the king of Spaine Here he compareth our King to the Pope the king of Spaine to God and Spaine it selfe to Purgatory but that wee must say is in regard of the Inquisition Now albeit this distinction hath no more force against such maine obiections then their holy water against the divels yet must I open the falsehood and absurditie thereof Pag. 41. 48. 75. For first herevpō these Doctors do contradict themselues for Cayer fighteth against his companions and maintaineth that the Pope giueth his Indulgences to the dead by power of absolution and that hee pardoneth their sinnes as a king and indeed in the taxe of the Popes Chancery wee finde these words For an excommunicate person for whom his parents doe entreat the letters of absolution Pro mortuo excommunicato pro quo supplicāt cōsanguinei litera absolut vaenit Duc. 1 Caro. 9. disp 7. c 34. disp 6. c. 41. Bielin Can. Missae lec 57 the charge is one duckat and nine Carolus Also Michael Medina a Doctor of note among our adversaries doth hold that the soules in Purgatory are vnder the Popes iurisdictiō See also the wordes of Bonaventure alleaged by Gabriel Biel. If any man maintaineth that the Vicar of Iesus Christ hath power of Iurisdiction over the dead wee must not greatly contradict him Thus our people are of contrary minds but reason and practise are on Cayers side Reason because these words to pardon informe of suffrage or intercession beare no sense besides that there is contradiction in them for how is it possible to pardon a man by entreating for him to pardon by forme of petition or intercession hee that hath interceded to the king for a criminall person will never say that he pardoned him The same doth common practise convince for what meaneth a pardon given to the soule by buls patents sealed in forme of a decree Doe wee not also reade in Maior and Wesselus Maior in 4. Dist 20. quaest 2. Clemens 6. In Bulla super Iubileo quod revocavit ad Annos 50. that Clement the sixt commanded the Angels to transport into Paradice the soules of those that died in the voiage to the holy land Nay more Toward the end of the Councel of Lateran holden vnder Innocent the 3 yee shall find a Bull wherein he promiseth to all chose that shall goe in the expedition to the holy land not only plenary remission of all their sinnes but also an augmentation and higher degree of glory in the kingdome of heaven but to such as would not goe themselues but send others at their charges he granteth only remission of sinnes yea he proceedeth so farre as against the gainesayers of the iourney hee denounceth that they shall answer him in the day of iudgement as if the Pope should then be iudge In all this it appeareth that the Pope pretendeth to haue power over the dead But what should we seeke for more proofe whē Pope Sixtus the fourth in a Bull set downe in the first booke of sacred ceremonies in the chapter of the benediction of the sword vanteth that hee hath all power in heaven and in earth The same degree is also attributed to Pope Leo the tenth in the last