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A13216 Redde debitum. Or, A discourse in defence of three chiefe fatherhoods grounded upon a text dilated to the latitude of the fift Commandement; and is therfore grounded thereupon, because 'twas first intended for the pulpit, and should have beene concluded in one or two sermons, but is extended since to a larger tract; and written chiefely in confutation of all disobedient and factious kinde of people, who are enemies both to the Church and state. By John Svvan. Swan, John, d. 1671. 1640 (1640) STC 23514; ESTC S118031 127,775 278

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Magistrate Kings and Princes therefore are not sent to abolish this power and order but where they find the same to nourish it yea and to see that it goe on and doe that which shall be for the glory of God and the good of the Church For wherreas Church officers might be resisted and disabled without the assistance of such a chiefe governour and whereas they might bee either negligent or otherwise in their office then beseemes them it is the goodnesse of God to send Christian Kings as chiefe fathers both for and over them that thereby all may goe well among such as professe the name of Christ in a Christian Church To which purpose the words of Saint Austin are not impertinent In hoc Reges Deo serviunt sicut eis divinitus praecipitur Aug. contra C●esconium lib. 3. c. 15. in quantum sunt Reges si in suo Regno bena jubeant mala prohibeant non solum quae pertinent ad humanam societatem verum etiam quae ad divinam religionem Meaning that Kings herein serve God as it is commanded them from above in that they be Kings if within their Kingdome they command good things and forbid evill not onely in things pertaining to humane fellowship or civill order but also in things pertaining to Gods Religion Now hee that does this must needs bee supreame Governour over all persons in all causes as well Ecclesiasticall as civill within his owne dominions or else he cannot doe it But seeing God hath given him this power doth he not therefore call Councels to have Lawes and orders made and matters where need is to be setled for the good of his Church Yea and because this power of supremacie comes to him from aboue it cannot be in Man to take it from him Factibi et erunt tibi saith * B●●… Andr in his Sermon upon Numb 〈◊〉 1.2 one of whom we may learne to speake was that which God said to Moses and to him onely There was no Fac tibi said to Aaron And therefore the propriety or right of both Trumpets commanded to be made for the calling of Assemblies both in the Church and State must rest in Moses From whence it came to passe that ever after whosoever was in Moses his place must have the same right and power that Moses had Sometimes I confesse there was no such magistrate but no sooner did God send one againe then that this power was put in practise witnesse Nehemias after the captivity Neh. 7.64 1 Mac. 14 4● Simon after the fury of Antiochus yea and witnesse also that famous Constantine whom God raysed up to overthrow the power of the persecuting Dragons and to reduce things to their former order Yet neverthelesse this power of correcting ordering calling and disposing of men in matters of the Church gives no authoritie to Kings or cheife Magistrates to make new Articles of faith to preach the Gospell administer the Sacraments denounce excommuication or exercise the function of the Priests in their Church-service For in these things Princes must forbeare to meddle and acknowledge Priests to bee their pastours submitting their greatnesse to be obedient to them in their directions yea even to the meanest of Gods Ministers sincerely declaring the will of God For though they may force the Priests where they find them negligent to doe their duties yet the duties themselves they cannot doe Defence of the Apolog part 6. cap. 9 Divi● 1. ● pa. 558. Whereto agreeth that of Bishop Iewell Christ saith he is evermore mindfull of his promise for when hee seeth his Church defaced and laid waste hee raiseth up faithfull Magistrates and godly Princes not to doe the Priests or Bishops duties but to force the priests and Bishops to doe their duties The duties themselves then must not be done but by the Priests and doing of them Princes must bee obedient to them not despising as hath beene said the meanest of Gods Ministers sincerely declaring the will of God For as Gods Ambassadours they beseech exhort admonish and reprove even them if need be as well as any other of Gods heritage Num c. 16 c. 17. Who can be ignorant that it was a Corah and his company which would have all the Congreation alike holy whereas it was Aarons rod among all the rods of the Tribes that flourished 1 Sam. 13. 2 Chron 26. So●om lib. 7. cap. 4. Also who hath not heard that it was a Saul who dared to offer sacrifice in the stead of Samuel and Vzziah that invades the Priests office But it was the part of a good Theodosius to * So also did K. David to the ●●ssage of the Prophet Nathan 2 Sam 1● 13 〈◊〉 in ●●ronol submit to the censure of an upright and holy Ambrose And yet neverthelesse the said Father granted that it was the right and power of Princes to summon Councels For about the yeare of our Lord 381. there was a Synod at Aquileia in which Saint Ambrose was president Who with the rest there assembled did fully testifie that by the appointment of the Emperour and power of his authoritie they held their Synod And hereupon it was that they gave notice to him of all their proceedings therein These are the first SECTION II. THE second follow and they are those whom the * So King Iames cals the Puritans in his Basilicon Doron lib. 1. pag. 41. Pests of the Church but not the scriptures or primitive times account abhominable I meane the reverend Hierarchie of renowned Bishops so much condemned by the fiery Zelots of our peevish Puritans whom nothing can please but their owne fancies They contend for parity and would have all be intitle as high as Aaron They would that all should be Governours rather then private Ministers whereupon they urge that of right there are no Diocesan but onely parochiall Bishops That the authoritie and jurisdiction and rights of a Bishop are no other then what belongeth to all Parsons and Vicars of parish Churches and consequently that every such Parson and Vicar is as good a Bishop as the best Neither doe some but thinke that the Church cannot or ought not to bee governed without a wise worshipfull company of Lay Elders which may annually be removed and returne at the years end to their trades and occupations againe But that these and the like are but idle fancies appeareth both in regard of Christs owne order or institution when he laid the foundation of his Church in regard of the Apostles owne times and also in regard of the Primitive times after them As for the first thus it was The Apostles did not ordaine the difference They onely proceeded as Christ had ordained For as there were chiefe and inferiour Priests in the times before Christ in like manner at the first preaching of the Gospell the foundation of the Church was so laid that all Priests were not in all things equall for the twelue Apostles were first called and sent
in the dispensation of his word and mysteries Bishops and inferiour Priests whether they bee Doctors or others are all Brethren and fellow Presbyters yet in the power of governement equall authority belongs not to them nor ever did since first the Churches of Christ began to be planted One in a certaine Sermon of his upon Acts the 15.36 doth thus declare it namely that although a Bishop doth not differ from an ordinary Pastour Quoad virtutem Sacerdotij yet there is and must be a difference Quoad potentiam jurisdictionis And againe although a Bishop and an Arch-Bishop differ not in potestate ordinis yet there is a difference in potestate regiminis SECTION III. WHat then shall become of those annuall offices of Lay-Elders which the Genevian Factours would put upon us I find no such thing in Scripture as these men dreame of All the Elders there mentioned which have any thing to doe in the Church and appertaine to the governement thereof are no silent or unpreaching Governours In Gods booke we have neither example for instance that ever there was nor precept for direction that ever there may be any such Lay-Eldership And although they alledge that saying of Saint Paul to Timothy The Elders that rule well are worthy of double honour 1 Tim. 5.17 especially they that labour in the word and doctrine yet can it be no good consequence to argue from thence that there were some Elders in the Church which taught nothing For doe we not all know that it is one thing to teach another to labour or be painefull in teaching It may be granted that although all be in some measure painfull yet some againe have beene more painfull than others If either their constitution of body yeares gifts or carefull using of them were such that they could both rule well and be painfull also in teaching they are worthy not only of honour but of double honour So that out of these words can bee collected no such distinction as they doe imagine of preaching Elders and governing Elders which are no Preachers The office then of Eldership which the scripture mentions must be in a lawfull Minister and not in a Lay-man out of orders 1 Pet. 5.1.2 Saint Peter was a Preacher yea and a chiefe Elder Hee chargeth therefore other Elders to feed their flocks The word which the Scripture useth is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 an appellation pertinent to all Priests as being 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 fellow Presbyters although not of equall power as hath beene shewed Act. 20.17.28 Saint Paul also chargeth the Elders of Ephesus to feed the Church of Christ which he hath purchased with his owne blood And to Titus hee giveth charge T it 1.59 that he appoint Elders in every citie shewing that by these he meaneth such as must be able to exhort with wholesome doctrine and to convince them which say against it not one word being mentioned of Elders out of orders to be in the stead of Bishops to take upon them the governing of the Church Which last testimony puts into my mind that speech of the thrice famous man Erasmus E●asmus in an Epistle to Iohn Alasco prefixed to the workes of Ambrose viz. That if wee had more Bishops like vnto Ambrose we should have more Emperours like unto Theodosius And t is as true likewise of inferiour Priests The sitter for their office the better for the people For what is there which brings more harme then either ignorance or want of courage They who be tainted with either of these are rather led by the people then the people by them For either they cannot or they dare not be what they ought in their holy functions SECTION IIII. BUt now I mention that holy Father Ambrose Quest some perhaps may propound it as a question whether the said father doth not in a certaine place of his writings viz. where he expounds that of Saint Paul to Timothy Rebuke not an Elder c. give some allowance to this office of Lay-elderships Nothing at all Hee giveth I confesse Answ some light concerning those officers belonging to the Church of England which wee call by the name of Sworne-men Gardians or wardens of the Church into whose hands the care of Church provisions is committed both in the providing of things wanting in repayring of things decayed and in the trustie keeping of things had These are those men who present to the Arch-bishop Bishop Arch-deacon or their Chancellours the faults and disorders done in their parish against those Articles to which they are sworne against the Canons and against his Majesties Lawes Ecclesiasticall and so the Arch-bishoppe Bishoppe Arch-deacon or their officers proceed according to the information of the said Wardens of every such Parish For albeit the love of monie rather then of vertue and reformation bee ready among some under-officers to send out the Apparatour as a close spie into the Countrey yet we know that the Canons of our Church doe in no wise tollerate such indirect courses Whereupon in the 138. Canon thus wee read that They meaning Aparatours shall not take upon them the office of Promoters or informers for the Court. Which in some sort agreeth also to that of Saint Ambrose saying that there is nothing done in the Church without those Elders of which hee speaketh because such disorders as are proceeded against according to the tenour of their informations are legally proceeded against and justly punished there being an oath taken for the discharge of this office in a pious and conscionable way Thus it is with us And thus also or not far otherwise it was in the dayes of old St. Ambrose complained of the want of it and we doe well to retaine still these usefull footings appertaining to it Onely sometimes we have a double fault committed The one in the choise of those annual officers The other in that too high prerogative which some men give them above their Minister First of all in many country parishes the lowest meanest of the people are chosen although they be but yong and ignorant boies in comparison of others whereas they ought of right to be grave sober and able Seniors if not for yeeres yet for parts who both know their office and are not afraid to do it And yet be they whom they will either in this office for the Church or in that of Constable for the common-weale if they would or could but tell how to make conscience of an oath there would not come in so many omnia bene's when there be Multa passim mala Howbeit I do not mention this to incourage the envious busie practises of some ill disposed officers but only to stir up the negligent to a more carefull consideration of the wrong done to themselves through their slight regarding of knowne evills And next as for that exaltation which some men give them t is fit they have all that of right belongeth to them but to be exalted