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A36663 A treatise of baptism wherein that of believers and that of infants is examined by the Scriptures, with the history of both out of antiquity : making it appear that infants baptism was not practised for near 300 years after Christ ... and that the famous Waldensian and old British churches and Christians witnessed against it : with the examination of the stories about Thomas Munzer, and John a Leyden : as also, the history of Christianity amongst the ancient Britains and Waldenses : and, a brief answer to Mr. Bunyan about communion with persons unbaptized / by H.D. Danvers, Henry, d. 1687. 1673 (1673) Wing D233; ESTC R35615 154,836 411

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3._o c._n 4._o p._n 84._o a_o violent_a impugner_n of_o priest_n marriage_n p._n 86._o in_o his_o sermon_n of_o alm_n conclude_v that_o sin_v commit_v after_o baptism_n be_v do_v away_o by_o alm_n and_o good_a work_n p._n 80._o and_o again_o that_o as_o water_n extinguish_v fire_n so_o do_v alm_n extinguish_v sin_n p._n 81._o and_o concern_v baptism_n itself_o very_o absurd_o corrupt_a say_v that_o the_o water_n ought_v first_o to_o be_v consecrate_a by_o a_o priest_n to_o make_v it_o more_o efficacious_a to_o take_v away_o sin_n that_o the_o person_n baptise_v confer_v the_o holy_a spirit_n and_o the_o baptize_v be_v inward_o sanctify_v thereby_o that_o chrism_n or_o anoint_v the_o baptize_v be_v absolute_o necessary_a page_n 82._o that_o exorcism_n be_v also_o necessary_a to_o drive_v away_o the_o devil_n that_o baptism_n shall_v be_v do_v in_o temple_n and_o that_o the_o kiss_n shall_v be_v give_v by_o the_o priest_n to_o the_o baptise_a infant_n and_o that_o sprinkle_v may_v serve_v instead_o of_o dip_v p._n 125._o by_o all_o which_o you_o may_v understand_v that_o either_o cyprian_a have_v be_v vile_o ruffine_v and_o these_o thing_n father_v upon_o he_o or_o that_o he_o himself_o be_v a_o notable_a factor_n for_o antichrist_n and_o that_o in_o he_o the_o mystery_n of_o iniquity_n do_v very_o strong_o work_v but_o we_o will_v rather_o believe_v that_o these_o thing_n be_v foist_v into_o his_o write_n by_o that_o villainous_a curse_a generation_n that_o so_o horrible_o abuse_v the_o write_n of_o most_o of_o the_o ancient_a writer_n as_o appear_v by_o the_o index_n expurgatorius_fw-la and_o who_o dare_v venture_v upon_o any_o forgery_n how_o impious_a soever_o for_o the_o benefit_n of_o the_o holy_a church_n witness_v that_o impudent_a fable_n as_o osiander_n call_v it_o of_o the_o baptism_n of_o constantine_n before_o mention_v in_o the_o four_o century_n in_o the_o first_o chap._n 2._o part._n thus_o you_o have_v the_o principal_a authority_n urge_v for_o 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tertullia_n oppose_v it_o it_o may_v seem_v that_o there_o be_v some_o that_o practise_v it_o in_o the_o three_o century_n and_o can_v it_o be_v suppose_v that_o any_o do_v so_o except_o it_o have_v be_v warrant_v by_o such_o apostolical_a tradition_n it_o be_v grant_v answer_n answer_n tertullian_n do_v oppose_v it_o but_o who_o it_o be_v that_o assert_v it_o and_o whether_o upon_o any_o such_o account_n as_o suppose_v be_v not_o mention_v if_o any_o do_v affirm_v it_o will_v be_v on_o their_o part_n to_o prove_v the_o one_o and_o the_o other_o the_o magdiburgenses_n and_o other_o as_o you_o have_v hear_v do_v tell_v we_o that_o they_o meet_v with_o no_o instance_n of_o any_o that_o either_o practise_v this_o or_o any_o other_o of_o these_o invention_n father_v also_o upon_o apostolical_a tradition_n as_o chrism_n exorcism_n consignation_n etc._n etc._n in_o that_o age._n but_o it_o be_v say_v if_o they_o do_v it_o will_v demonstrate_v especial_o in_o the_o practice_n of_o the_o latter_a that_o the_o mystery_n of_o iniquity_n do_v then_o begin_v to_o work_v in_o so_o corrupt_v that_o ordinance_n of_o christ_n and_o have_v they_o not_o as_o good_a ground_n to_o do_v the_o one_o as_o the_o other_o whereby_o that_o word_n of_o prophecy_n 2_o thes_n 3._o concern_v the_o take_a place_n of_o that_o mystery_n of_o iniquity_n be_v so_o much_o fulfil_v which_o be_v to_o come_v on_o with_o all_o deceivableness_n of_o unrighteousness_n and_o with_o strong_a delusion_n to_o believe_v lie_n and_o which_o in_o nothing_o more_o appear_v than_o in_o this_o very_a thing_n have_v not_o only_o forge_v so_o many_o lie_v about_o it_o but_o impose_v their_o lie_n to_o be_v believe_v by_o other_o as_o their_o forefather_n the_o priest_n of_o old_a that_o hire_v the_o soldier_n to_o tell_v a_o lie_n about_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n and_o then_o impose_v that_o their_o lie_n to_o be_v believe_v to_o delude_v other_o mat._n 28.12_o 13_o 14_o 15._o the_o consideration_n whereof_o 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