vtter Haeb. 5. 22. Ioan. 16. v. 12. And heerein they traced the footsteps of their Lord and Maister Iesus Christ who sayd to his Disciples Many thinges I haue to say to you but you cannot beare them now Whereupon S. Gregory Nazianzen affirmeth the Diuinity of the holy Ghost to be one of the misteryes Christ reuealed Greg. de theol orat â— not to his Disciples at that tyme. Which moued the Eunomians to tearme him 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 The vnwritten God Yea S. Paul himselfe referreth exhorteth recommendeth vnto vs besides his written word many vnwritten 1. ad Tim. c. vltimo 1. Cor. 11. 2. 2 Thes c. 2. 14. Bâ—sil de Spir. Sancto c. 29. Basil ibid. cap. 27. verityes To Timothy O Timothy keep the Depositum To the Corinthians I praise you brethren that in all thinges you be mindfull of me and as I haue deliuered vnto you keep my precepts or Traditions according to the Greeke To the Tessalonians Hold the Traditions which you haue learned whether it be by word or epistle Vpon which wordes S. Basil accounteth it Apostolike to perseuere firmely euen in vnwritten Traditions And a little before Of such articles of Religion as are kept and preached in the Church some were taught by the written word other some we haue receaued by the tradition of the Apostles deliuered vnto vs as it were from hand to hand in misteryes both which be of one force to godlines and these things no man wil deny S. Epiphanius cyting the forenamed place of S. Epiphan har 61. Chrysost in 2. ad Thess â—om 4. Hieron aduers Lucifer Orig. in proem l. â— de Prin. Aug ep 86. ad Casulan Paul sayth We must vse traditions for the Scripture conteyneth not all thinges and therefore the Apostles deliuered certaine things by writing certaine by Tradition S. Chrysostome vpon the same text The Apostles did not deliuer all thinges by writing but many thinges without and these be as worthy of credit as the other S. Hierome Although there were no authority oâ— proofe out of Scripture the consent of the whole world in this behalfe should stand in lieu of a precept For many other thinges also which by tradition are obserued in the Church haue gotten the force and strength of a written law Origen That truth is only to be belieued which in nothing swarueth from Ecclesiasticall tradition S. Augustine Concerning those thinges of which the Scripture maketh no mention the custome of Gods people or the constitutions of our Ancestours are to be held in place of a law 6. Some of these Fathers M. Reynoldes faythfully Reyn. conclus 1. p. 689. Reyn. ibid. pag. 620. cyteth yet for that they vtterly exclude his fond and fayned glosse of the Apostles wordes aboue mentioned he one while answereth I tooke not vpon me to controle them but let the Church iudge if they considered with aduice inough c. And some few leaues before of S. Basil and S. Epiphanins he malepartly protesteth They were deceaued But if they were deceaued S. Cyprian Tertullian S. Chrysostome S. Fulke against purgatory p. 362. 303. c. Vvhâ—tak de sacra Scriptura p. 678. 68â— 683. 685. Tertul. l. de cor mil. Chrys ho. 1. in Acta Hier l. coÌ„â— Lucif c. 4. ep 28. ad Licâ— Aug. de Ge ad lit l 20. cap. 23 â— Cor. 3. 20 lere 31. 33. Euseb l. r. de demâ—n cap. 8. Tull. l. de lâ—g Isocra ep ad Philip. Maced Hierome S. Augustine S. Leo whome M. Fulke and Whitaker reproue for affirming the like were likewise deceaued S. Paul himselfe was deceaued who for this cause tearmeth the Corinthians the Epistleof Christ written not with inke but with the Spirit of the liuing God not in tables of stone but in the tables carnall of the hart The holy Ghost also was deceaued who prophesing of the new Testament by the mouth of Ieremy sayth I will put my law into their bowels and in their harts will I write it The reasons are manifest because our harts are farre surer Registers of Gods word farre lesse subiect to destruction then leaues of paper Because it is not meet that the perfect documents of the new law of the law of spirit life and truth should be wholy figured in dead and senseles Characters Because the infinite knowledge of the holy Ghost daily teaching instructing his Church was not to be restrained to any limited volumes Because as new doubtes new cloudes of diffiâ—â—ltyes arise amongst vs so new beames of light new instructions or explications are needfull to cleare those mists Because precepts of manners as Tully obserueth are more sweetly sowed and engrafted in a Commonwealth by obseruation and custome then by restraint of Iawes Because as Isocrates teacheth the liuely voice oracles of the mind are more forcible to perswade of greater account and estimation then the records of writing 7. And therfore as the Romans locked vp in the Capitoll the Oracles of the Sybils and permitted them not Fenestella l. 1. cap 13. de magist Clemens Alex. strom 5. Dion Bas Eus vs infra 1. Cor. cap. 2. 6. Bils 2. part pag. 265. Reyn. conclus 1. Dyon Eccles hier cap. 1. Basil locis citatis Leo. ep 8. ad Flauia Euseb l. 1. de demonst euang c. 8. 1. Cor. 11. v. 2. 2. Thess 2. 14. 1. Tim. vlt. v. 20. 1. Cor. 2. 6. 1. Cor. 11. v. 34. Ad Tit. 1. v. 5. Haeb. 5. v. 11. Aug. l. â—onâ— epist Fund c. 4 5. to the view of any but only their Priests as the Aegyptians according to Clemens Alexandrinus report did not publish the knowledge of their diuine secretes but only to them as were to be aduanced either to Royall or Priestly dignity so S. Dionyse S. Basil and Eusebius witnesse that the Apostles thought meete to couer some hidden misteryes of our fayth from the contempt of the vulgar and by secret Tradition to deliuer them onely to such as were more fit and capable Of whome S. Paul sayd We speake wisedome among the perfect Notwithstanding M. Bilson cauelleth That albeit the Church had some Rites and Ceremonyes yet no matter of fayth sayth he Nothing necessary to saluation sayth M. Reynolds vnwritten Meere cauils For S. Dionyse calleth the concealed misteryes Chiefe and supersubstantiall S. Basil Principall parts of our Faith S. Leo Constitutions which appertaine to the pith and substance of fayth Eusebius All the precepts which Christ gaue as it were to the wiser and most spirituall sort of men which the testimonyes themselues seeme to pronounce For can we thinke the Traditions which S. Paul equally ballanced with his own Epistle the Depositum he so earnestly recommended to Timothy the wisedome he vttered among the perfect only and among such as were fit to teach others can we thinke the thinges he had to prescribe concerning the vse and administration of the Blessed Sacrament the forme he appointed about the ordering of Priests the speach
Traditions Both false depositions both wrongfully imposed crimes A wrongfull crime it is that we traduce the Scriptures as vnperfect We graunt with Vincentius Lyrinensis Vincen. Lyâ—â—nen cap. 2. that the Canon of Scripture is perfect a perfect light and lanterne to our feet a perfect rule and direction of sayth if as he noteth the line of Propheticall and Apostolical interpretation be leuelled according to the square of the Ecclesiastical and Catholike sense As great a wrong that we cleaue to humane and vncertaine Traditions We anker on such as are diuine certaine and infallible authentically warranted by the rules himselfe approueth to descend from Christ or the Church his holy and vndoubted Spouse 17. A like wrongfull crime M. Sparkes fastneth vpon Sparks p. 82. 83. vs when he sayth That we preferre the authority of the Church the wife before Christ the husband that we make the written word of God inferiour in authority to the Church and to haue his Canonicall credit from thence Sure you are as Salomon censureth a guilfull witnesse who furnish your cause Prouerb cap. 14. Testis fidelis non mentitur Profert mendaciâ—â— dolosus testis Io. 4 3. Reg. 3. with such shamefull lyes When many belieued in Christ induced by the speach of the Samaritan woman was her authority prefeâ—â—ed before Christ When King Salomon decreed the infant for which the two harlots contended to belong to her whose bowells were moued at the sentence of his death did he make her therby the mother of the child or declare her to be the mother who was the mother indeed So when we imbrace Gods written word by the externall approbation and testimony of the Church answerable to that of S. Augustine Ego Euangelio non crederem c. I would not belieue the Ghospell vnles the authority of the Church moued me thereunto we extoll not the Aug con ep Fund cap. 5. voice of the Spouse before the voyce of Christ. Nor the Church when it defyneth any booke to be Canonicall Scripture doth giue it thereby diuine and Canonicall credit Bils part 4. pag â—81 Rem cont 1. pag. 619 6â—9 Field l. 4 Stapleton cont 5. de poâ— Eccles quaest â— but commaundeth that to be receaued by others as Canonicall which hath in itselfe Canonicall authority 18. Lastly our Aduersaryes arme themselues with the weapons of the Fathers and M. Bilson marshalleth six togeather in a rancke S. Athanasius S. Chrysostome S. Cyrill S. Ambrose S. Augustine and Vincentius who conformably mantaine the sufficiency of Scripture in all necessary points of fayth Many other to the like purpose are alleadged by M. Reynolds and M. Field To all which I answere First that the Scripture is taught to containe all things necessary to saluation as the vniuersal ground Cyril l. 12. c. vltimo Chrys ho. 3. in 2. Thes 2. Vincent aduersus prophan hae nouit c. 2. Bafil ep 80 Cyril de rect fide ad Regi Hieron in Psal 86. Aug. l 3. con lit Petil Tert. lib. cont haer Athan. l. cont Gent. Aug. l. 2. cap. 9. Rein in his conf c. 2. diuis 2. Aug. l. 10. de Gen. ad lit c. 23. Bils 4. par p. 582. 583. Field in appen 2. p. §. 8. Aug. l. 4. c. 24. Dio. l. Eâ—c bier c. vlt. Orig. in 12. Leuit. bom 8. in cap. 6. epist ad Rom. seed or roote from which whatsoeuer we belieue may either mediately or immediatly be gatheted as S. Cyril and S. Chrysostome auouch Secondly as it teacheth and directeth vs to the authority of the Church and doctrine of her Pastours by which euery point is of may be particulerly and clearely explained Thus Vincentius and others are to be interpreted Thirdly it is affirmed to containe all thinges and that nothing besides the Scripture is to be admitted to wit no priuate customes or particuler Traditions not agreeable or repugnant to the writen word as S. Basil S. Cyrill S. Hierome S. Augustines meaning is in his booke against Petilian Fourthly the Fathers often acknowledge the sufficiency of Scripture to conclude euen in plaine and expresse wordes certaine maine principles of our fayth as that God created all thinges of nothing of which Tertullian against Hermogenes That Christ is the true God That Idolls are not God of which Athanasius writeth Or they teach it clearely comprehends the chiefe articles of our Creed and ten Commandments of which S. Augustine only speaketh in his booke of Christian doctrine so often quoted by M. Reynolds 19. Besides which many other things are necessary to be imbraced as by Fathers Reason and Scripture I haue already conuinced and therfore will close vp my whole discourse with one or two sentences of S. Augustine and Origen S. Augustine sayth The custome of the Church in baptizing Infants is not at all to be belieued vnles it were an Apostolicall Tradition M. Bilson and M. Field haue no other shift to trauerse the euidence of this place then by accusing it of some secret corruption But what was he corrupted also in his booke of Baptisme against the Donatists where he repeateth it againe Was Dionysius was Origen corrupted too who sayth The Church receaued a Tradition from the Apostles to minister Baptisme also to Infants Was this other passage of S. Augustine corrupted likewise Aug. de Bap. con Donat. l. 5â— c. 23. It is an article of faith to belieue this Baptisme to be valide Orig. in c. 3. ad Tit. teste Pamphilo in Apol. prâ— Orig. of the validity of Baptisme ministred by Heretikes The Apostles commanded nothing hereof yet the custome which was opposed herein against Cyprian is to bebelieued to proceed from their Tradition euen as many things be which the whole Church holdeth and are therfore well belieued to be commanded of the Apostles although they be not written I may then conclude with Origen He is an Heretike who professeth himself to beleiue in Christ yet belieueth otherwise of the truth of Christian fayth then the definition of Ecclesiastic all Tradition containeth 20. Notwithstanding to reproue our Aduersaries and satisfy all indifferent Readers that we fly not to the succour of Traditions for want of proofes out of holy writ I will vphold the right of our cause in euery ensuing Controuersy as I promised in my Preface by the irreprouable testimonies of Gods written word THE THIRD CONTROVERSY WHEREIN The Reall Presence is maintayned against D. Bilson and D. Sparkes CHAP. I. AS the vnspeakable riches of Gods infinite loue in no mystery of our fayth appeareth more bountâ—full then in the true and reall Fresence of Christs sacred Body conteyned in the holy Eucharist so the vnsatiable malice of our deadly enemy no where more hatefully bewrayeth it selfe then in seeking to abolish this most blessed dreadfull and admirable Sacrament For besids the Armenians Messalians Grecians and Aquarians Althons de Cast l. 9. adu haer v Eucharist Aug. de haer Epiph haer 26. whose errours
so great a maister in Israel why blame you vs for approuing what your selues allow Why appeale you to Scripture alone and yet subscribe to such and so many points of fayth not comprised in Scripture Or if these Traditions be necessary to be imbraced what meane you M. Field to renounce others as ancient as behoofull as warrantable as these euen by the rules your selfe prescribe which are Field l. 4. cap. 19. pa. 242 Iran lib. 4. c. 32. â—ulke in his confut of Purgat p. 362. 303. 393. August tract 84. in Ioan. Chrys bo 21. in act Concil Nicen. 2. Damas lib. 4. c. 17. Hiero. con Vigil c. 2. Middlâ—ton Papis pag. â—34 Bils part 2. pag 265. Rom. 10. 17. Basil de spir Sanct. c. 27. Chris ho. 4. in â— Thes 5. Aug. Ep. 119 86. Field l. 4. cap. 20. Rein. conclus 1. pag. â—17 The authority and custome of the Church Consent of Fathers or testimony of an Apostolicall Church By these Irenaeus alloweth the new oblation of Christs body and bloud as a Tradition from the Apostles Why reiect you this Tertullian S. Cyprian S. Chrysostome S. Hierome S. Augustine approue as M. Fulke your great Golias granteth the Sacrifice and prayer for the dead as an Apostolicall traditioÌ„ Why disproue it you S. Augustiue S. Chrysostome admit a memory or Inuocation of Saints in the selfe same sacrifice Three hundred Fathers of the second Councell of Nice defend with S. Iohn Damascen the adoration of Images as a Tradition from the Apostles S. Hierome by the custome of the Church and consent of Fathers D. Fields rules for true Traditions mantaineth against Vigilantius the religious worship of holy Reliques By the same Tradition of the Church and consent of the Fathers M. Middleton auerreth vowes of Chastity to be obserued What meane you to make no reckoning of these Are you only priuiledged to admit or discard what Traditions you please to countenance or deface whatsoeuer you list But an ill cause without cosenage cannot be vpholden I acknowledge the shifts of pouerty and falshood 13. Against these vnanswerable grounds M. Bilson opposeth in this weake and impertinent manner Fayth is by hearing and hearing by the word of God therefore S. Paul alloweth not matters of faith vnwritten How often shall I repeate inculcate a truth that the word of God is partly written partly vnwritten and this as S. Basil S. Chrysostome S. Augustine affirme is as worthy to be credited as the other Which speach albeit M. Whitaker noteth in S Chrysostome as inconsiderate and vnworthy so great a Father yet M. Field approueth it and reason perswadeth it vnles you belieue that letters figured with inke and paper add awe of reuerence to Gods hidden verityes M. Reynolds obiecteth out of S. Iohn These thinges are written that yee may belieue that Iesus is Christ the Sonne of God and that belieuing you may haue life in his name Heereupon M. Reynolds inferreth Ioan. 20. v. vlt. that S. Iohns Ghospell alone is sufficient to faith and saluation What may not be proued where such illations go currant S. Iohn speaketh of signes and miracles M. Reynoldes extendeth himselfe to many other matters S. Iohn writeth there of one principall point of fayth he concludeth all necessary to saluation S. Iohn disputing against Cerinthus who denyed the diuinity of Christ affirmeth that he hath written sufficient to proue that Christ is the sonne of God M. Reynoldes arguing against vs forceth him to say that he hath written inough concerning that and all other necessary articles of our beliefe Againe if S. Iohns Ghospell alone haue sufficient to saluation needlesse are the rest of the Euangelists the Epistles of S. Paul of S. Peter of S. Iude the Reuelations of S. Iohn wholy needlesse If S. Iohns Ghospell alone haue sufficient the Natiuity and birth of Christ his Circumcision Apparition the Institution of our Lords supper and many other thinges of which S. Iohn writeth nothing are not necessary to saluation Which to confesse is vtterly to subuert all Christian Religion to deny is plainely to ouerthwart M. Reynoldes assertion Rein. con â— 1. p. 618 â— 619. 2. Cor. 3. 16. 14. Secondly he alleadgeth out of S. Paul That all Scripture inspired by God is profitable to teach argue c. That the man of God may be perfect instructed to euery good worke Our Aduersaryes boast much of the pregnancy of this place and yet if it made any thing in their behalfe it would conuince that all and euery Scripture euery Epistle euery Chapter euery sentence which is some Scripture were The Greek hath 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 the Latin Omnis Al or euery auailable to these foresayd effects Which they perceauing resolue rather to abuse the word of God then loose the force of their argument when insteed of all or euery Scripture they most fraudulently translate the whole Scripture contrary both to the Greeke and Latin text But no deceite will serue to betray the truth The whole Scripture was not finished when S. Paul wrote that Epistle the Ghospell of S. Iohn which by it selfe alone as M. Reynolds auerreth â— sufficient to saluation the Apocalips and other bookes of Scripture were wanting at that tyme he could Rein. loc citat not then speake of the whole Scripture before the whole was extant or if he meant of the whole that was written it maketh nothing against vs. For S. Paul speaketh of the profitablenes of Scripture to instruct argue c. and not of 1. Tim. 4. v. 8. the sufficiency thereof Many thinges are profitable to promote vs to perfection which are not sufficient to atchieue the same Piety as S. Paul writeth is profitable to all thinges yet not alone sufficient nor only profitable You cannot deny but that rayne is profitable for the fruits of the earth yet without the labour of men fertility of soile heate of the sunne not sufficient to make them increase So as when M. Reynolds disgraceth this as a mincing distinction he discrediteth not vs but S. Paul for mincing in this manner 15. Fourthly others obiect That Christ reprehendeth the Traditions of men S. Paul condemneth them and S. Peter exempteth all Christians from them They mistake Christ Mat. 15. v. 9. Colos 2. v. 22. only reprehendeth the fond and friuolous Pharisaicall traditions or deprauations of the law called Deuteroses Of which also S. Peter speaketh or of the superstitious errours of the Gentils from which we are redeemed by the bloud of Christ S. Paul forewarneth vs of the vaine Sophismes 1. Pet. 1. â— 18. and fallacyes of the Philosophers which impaireth not the authority of our soueraigne and holy Traditions deriued from the Apostles and their successours inspired by the holy Ghost 16. Yet M. Field will needs endite vs of two hainous faults 1. That we charge the Scriptures with imperfection 2. Field l. 4. c. 15. That therfore we rely vpon humane interpretations and vncertaine
hier cap. 4. Concil Agâ—â—hens can 14. Aug. ser 19. de Sanctis Optatus lib. cont Parm. Peter Mart. in his com places in English pag. 227. Cartwrig in his 2. reply p. 264. Centurist Centur. 4. col 409. Centur. 3. cap. 4. colum 83. Greg. Nazi in ep 8. ad Simplician Fulke in his reioynder to Bristowes reply p. 28. Calu. in Haeb. c. 7. v. 9. pag. 9. 4. in tract theolog pag. 389. Neither M. Higgons nor any Catholike writer euer maintained any such intention of helping all The Patriarches Prophets and Martyrs are remembred and not desired to be holpen the damned who dye in mortall sin are neither holpen nor remeÌ„bred as you may often read in S. Augustine and generally in all the rest howbeit you guilfully misconstrue some of their sayings to be meant of the mitigation of their paines But there are some of a middle sort who depart this life neither deadlywounded nor perfectly recouered of the infirmityes of sinne these only they intended to relieue as M. Higgons proueth and you without iugling should haue laboured to disproue 15. Your answeres to his former two differences are as full fraught with vntruth as this with fraudulency and deceit For you reply to the first We haue Altars in the same sort the Fathers had c. To the second We admit the Eucharist to be rightly named a Sacrifice Both cunning escheats You haue spirituall Altars only they had corporall and externall By nature common stones by blessing Holy and immaculate S. Gregory Nissen On which we Sacrifice vnto one God which were consecrated with Chrisme and the signe of the Crosse S. Augustine S. Dionyse and the Councell of Agatho Which were seats and receptacles of the body bloud of Christ Optatus Sayings disliked by Peter Martyr M. Cartwright and the Centurists who also affirme That the Altars erected within the first 400. yeares after Christ from Iewish obseruation crept into the Church 16. Secondly they had true and proper Sacrifices vnbloudy victimes propitiatory Hosts as I haue largely demonstrated in the Controuersy of the Masse They had A Sacrifice offered to God the Father wherin the Priest supplyeth as S. Cyprian according to the Centurists superstitiously writeth the roome of Christ. They had a Sacrifice The name whereof as M. Fulke affirmeth they tooke of Iewes and Gentils and not from Scripture They as Caluin sayth forged a Sacrifice in the Lords supper without his Commandment and so adulterated the supper with adding of Sacrifice And in another treatise The ancients quoth he are not to be excused for it is apparent they haue heerein swarued from the pure and proper institution of Christ. 17. Now M. Field haue you I pray such Altars such Sacrifices as these Such Altars as Crept into your Church from the Iewish custome Such Sacrifices as were forged without our Lords Commandment Such as adulterated his supper Such as swarued from the pure and proper institution of Christ If you haue let your hart abhorre these villanous inuectlues pronounced against them by the principal Captaines of your sect If not let your Pen retract your former asseueratioÌ„ Let it disclaime from the Altars and Sacrifices of the Fathers and be content to haue no society with them in these as your men account Superstitious abuses 18. In fine the chiefe Ring-leaders of the Protestants Centu. loc citat profession do not only reiect the Altars condemne the Sacrifices but they controle also the very manner of prayer the Fathers vsed for the Dead Therefore they practised some other kind then those foure which M. Calu. l. 3. Inst c. 5. §. 10. Bulling Decad. 4. serm 10. Field his consortes allow Caluin sayth About one thousand three hundred years ago it was receaued as a coÌ„mon custom to vse Prayers for the dead c. But they were all I confesse beguiled with errour Bullinger writeth I know â—he Ancients prayed for the dead I know the excellent Doctour S. Augustine the eloquent S. Chrysostome and many other old and renowned men what they haue left written of this matter I know the Fathers affirme prayer for the dead to be a TraditioÌ„ of the Apostls And S. Augustine Aug. ser 32. de verb. Aposto Centu. 3. c. 5. col 138. Osiand Cent. 3. l. 1. c. 5. p. 10 Hosp in hist Sacr. pag. 167. Spark p. 371. 372. Fulke in c. 10. 1. ep ad Cor. sect 8. prope finem Fulke in his Confutation of Purgatory pag. 262. writeth It is obserued in the vniuersal Church that Sacrifice be offered for the dead I know Aerius was condemned because he disauowed these Prayers But I aske whether the Fathers did well heerin or no The Centurists and Osiander blame Tertullian because he approued Oblations for the Dead and Anniuersary-prayers in their Obite-dayes Hospinian affirmeth of S. Cyril He sayd indeed according to the preuailing custome of his tyme that the Sacrifice of the Altar is a great help to soules Of S. Augustine D. Sparkes He was both greatly carryed by the sway and opinions of the multitude in determining the auaylablenes of prayers for the dead Whereupon in the very next page he sayth I may lawfully discent from him in that case M. Fulke auerreth Prayer for the dead was the drosse of Augustine and Chrysostome Tertullian sayth he S. Cyprian S. Augustine S. Hierome and a great many more do witnesse That Sacrifice for the dead is the Tradition of the Apostles 19. Another where he sayth But of memories of the Dead and prayers for the dead also we will not striue but that they were vsed before the tyme of Bede Ephrem Ambrose but without warrant of Gods word or authorityes of Scripture Indeed Is this the cause you reproue a custome so general supported by the greatest Pillers both of the Greeke Latine Church because they want the testimonyes of holy Writ for such is your common excuse repeated in another place We must not belieue Chrysostome without Scripture affirming that mention of the dead in the celebration of the Lords supper was ordained by the Apostles Would not a man thinke this Ghospeller meant to imbrace S. Chrysostome and admit those ancient Writers if they countenanced their assertions with the authority of the Ghospell Would not a man thinke he would then submit his iudgement vnto theirs No other sense I wis can be picked from his wordes notwithstanding farre other is his meaning this is a veile to couer his shame a disguised glosse of speach to pretend the awe and reuerence of Gods word when as neither God nor man neither humane writing nor heauenly Oracles doth he regard vnles they sound very tuneable to his straine Which that you may not condemne as a forgery deuised by me read the sayings of these Fathers and confront with them his answeres 20. S. Augustine first proueth that prayer for the dead disagreeth not from Scripture Not from that of S. Paul We ought all to be summoned before the tribunall
interpretation then that which I haue mentioned vnles a man would bend his wits and force his quill of purpose to misconstrue his meaning THE NINTEENTH CONTROVERSY DECLARETH How Fayth alone doth not iustify against D. Whitaker D. Feild D. Abbot and all Sectaryes CHAP. I. THAT we may not stumble at the beginning Châ—nitiuâ— in 1. part examinaâ— Con iâ— Trid. Calu. l. 30 instit c. ◠§. 9. Fulk in c. 13. 1. ad Cor. sect 5 Perkins in his reform Cath. f. 7â— nor post away in vaine before I go further I will truly lay down the state of this question as it is controuerted defended on both sides Protestants distinguish three sorts of fayth 1. The historicall fayth as they tearm it by which they belieue the history of the Bible 2. The guift of fayth to worke miracles of which S. Paul If I should haue all fayth so as I could remoue mountaines c. 3. The sayth and affiance in the diuine promises of God So that the truth and veracity of God is the proper obiect of the first his power of the second his mercy and goodnes of the third Which later fayth they subdeuide againe into Abbot inhis defence cap 4. fol. 453. VVhitak l. 1. aduers Duraeum two members or branches into a generall beliefe that God will faythfully accomplish all his promises will graunt remission of sinnes to all true beleeuers and into a particuler and speciall fayth whereby euery Protestant perswadeth and assureth himselfe that his sinnes by the mercy of God in Christ be forgiuen him And in this speciall affiance and firme perswasion all Sectaryes place their iustifying fayth from whence Charity and good workes according to them only flow as fruits and necessary sequels accompanying their beliefe Thus they 2. We on the other side defend that Charity and good workes are not only fruits or signes but the life or Ephes 4. v. 5. Cyril ca Greg. Nazian or at â—ltim in sanctum lauacrum Aug. in Enchirid. c. 2. 5. 7. 8. l. 2. conduas epist Pelag. c. 5. Leo serm â—1 de Epiphan Fulg. l. de side ad Petrum in prolog Hebr. â—1 v. â— Gaâ— Vâ—s â—â— 1. â— disp â—10 â— 7. substance of iustification Likewise we deny that counterfeit diuision of seuerall fayths which they deuise and imbrace with holy Scriptures one dogmaticall and Catholik Fayth by which we belieue the Ghospell of Christ the articles of our Creed and whatsoeuer in this kind the vniuersall Church proposeth vnto vs. For as there is but one formall motiue or subiect of beliefe to wit the prime verity or diuine auctority obscurely reueiling the histories of the Bible the power of working miracles the promises of God and whatsoeuer els So there is but one true and Theologicall vertue of fayth which with most constant assent beleeueth them all one Lord one Fayth one Baptisme And to this one sole fayth not to the peculiar perswasion of Sectaryes is ascrybed by S. Cyrill Patriarch of Hierusalem by S. Gregory Nazianzen S. Augustine S. Leo and S. Fulgentius the whole force of iustification which in any part of sacred Writ is attributed vnto Fayth Wherefore although we hold that this Theological Fayth be the beginning foundation of our spiritual building for be that commeth to God must beleeue that he is Though it be also the roote from whence the life of grace doth somtyme spring by stirring vp and exciting the affections of the will to loue good and detest sinne yet it doth not fully engender that sparke of life it doth neither wholy dispose to the fauour of God as I haue already proued nor intierely sanctify and make vs iust as I shall now demonstrate Math. 25. v. 11. Matth. 7. v. 22. Ioan. 12. v. 42. 43. Matth. 22. v. 11. 3. The foolish Virgins who cryed Lord Lord open vnto vs had fayth and beleeued in him whome they inuocated The false Prophets beleeued who wrought miracles in the name of Christ. The Princes of the Iewes who loued the glory of men more then the glory of God yet as the Scripture sayth they belieued in Christ The guest who was found at the marriage feast without his wedding garment he belieued also for by fayth he yielded to the calling came into the house VVhitak l. 8. aduers Duraeum in his aÌ„swere to 1. reason of M. Campian Abbot in his defence c. 4. Orig. tract 32. in Matth. Hilar. can 27. Hier. ep ad Demetr Theoph. Euthy in cum locuÌ„ August tract 54. in Ioan. August tract 53. in Ioan. Beliar. de iustif l. 1. c. 15. of God and yet none of these were iustifyed therefore Fayth alone is not sufficient to iuftification M. Whitaker M. Abbot and the rest will answere that These had not a true but a faygned dead and idle fayth dead and idle we coÌ„fesse it was yet true and vnfaygned in respect of the essence and nature of Fayth for the Euangelist speaking of the Iewish Princes vseth the same word crediderunt they beleeued in Christ as he doth when he discourseth of them who beleeued indeed which would breed intollerable ambiguity doubtfullnes in expounding of holy Scripture if he were not to be vnderstood of true beliefe Secondly the ancieÌ„t Fathers interprete al these places of true and vnfaygned Fayth Origen S. Hilary S. Hierome the first affirming the foolish Virgins to be excluded from their bride-grome not for want of true fayth but for want of good workes S. Hierome Theophilact and Euthymius the second of the false Prophets attributing to their fayth the inuocation they made Lord Lord haue not we prophefied in thy name and intimating thereby that fayth alone is not inough to saluation S. Augustine expoundeth the third place likwise of true fayth comparing the fayth of those Princes with the true Fayth of such as openly confessed the name of Christ Affirming that if they also had proceeded and gone forward in that entrance of beliefe they might by profiting haue ouercome the loue of humane glory But that Fayth as Cardinal Bellarmine wel argueth which by profiting could vanquish the affection of vaine glory was true fayth otherwise that Fayth had Tertul. l. de resurrec carnis Orig. Chryso in hunc loc Ambr. ser 14. de naâ—ali Hieron Gregor Theoph. Euthy in â—um locuÌ„ Maldon in cap. 22. Matth. Iacob ep cap. 2. v. 14. 17. 14. Augu. de â—â—de opâ—rib c. 14. VVhitak l. 1. aduers Duraeum in his aÌ„swere to 1. reason of M. Ca â—pian VVitak vbi supra Fulk in c. 2. Ioan. sect 9. Abbot c. 4. f. 476. 477. not profited but another arriuing to perfection that had fayled Lastly that he who wanted his wedding garment beleeued also aright is insinuated by Tertullian Origen S. Hierome S. Chrysostome S. Ambrose S. Gregory Theophilact and Euthymius who conformably teach that he was cast into outward darknes not for any defect of fayth but for want of
Protestants and vs. Therfore because I could not single forth any one person vnanswered who learnedly methodically and sufficiently treateth of them all I made choyce to enter combat with diuers the most eminent I could find in euery particuler point that ouerthrowing them I might easily put their adherents to flight To vphold for example the Scripture alone to be Iudge of Controuersies who spendeth more tyme sheweth more skill imployeth better talents then M. Whitaker stiled by one of his fauourits An excellent instrument of Gods glory and one of the most glorious lights of our English Church To depriue the Sacrament of CHRISTS Reall Presence hath any vsed like art bestowed more diligence mustered more obiections then M. Bilson who need not borrow any prayse from the pens of flatterers he hath I confesse too many good gifts for such ill imployments 4. Againe who trauaileth more painfully then he and M. Reynolds to shake if it were possible the impregnable rocke of S. Peter but chiesly of the Popes Supremacy Is there any at length not to instance any further more eager against Purgatory and Prayer for the dead then M. Fulke and M. Field He in his Confutation of Purgatory and in diuers other workes This in his third booke of the Church and in his Appendixor ansivere to M. Higgons And are not these the chiefe Captaynes and Coronels of Protestant rebellion in whom the life breatheth and mayne strength of their faction consisteth Wherefore if he who often giueth victory to the weakest on his side shall giue me grace to vanquish these his stoutest enemies little need we feare the after-skirmishing of other their scattered and appaled troupes Notwithstanding you must not expect I should runne through all their erring paths or ferret euery one out of their starting holes my drift is only to ouerthrow their grounds and blunt the edge of their sharpest weapons yet with such euident conquest and demonstration of our Catholike Doctrine as may be in all points sufficient to instruct the ignorant strengthen the weake discomfort the proud and recall the straied to the right way of life 5. For besides the assaults I make against them the arguments I produce on my owne side shal in euery Controuersy be chiefly drawen out of the Word of God the heauenly treasure and touchstone of truth out of the auncient Fathers and for the most part Aug. con Donatist post Collation c. 34. Matth. c. 12. v. 27. Lact. diuin insti Arnob. aduers Gētes Euseb de praep Euang Clemens Alex l. Strom. Cicero pro A. Caecin also out of Generall Councells out of the secret bowels and instinct of Nature out of the discourse of reason and lastly out of the vndenyable writings and testimonies of our Aduersaries who as S. Augustine heretofore noted of the Donatists write speake manie things in our behalfe forced by truth not inuited by Charity Therefore as Christ alledged the Pharisies Children to be iudge against the Pharisies as Lactantius Arnobius Eusebius Clemens Alexandrinus and many more did bring the writings of Hermes Orpheus the Sybils and other Gentiles To conuince sayth S. Augustine by them the vanities of the Gentiles So we propound the cheife Authors and Promoters of Protestancy to beare witnesse against the Protestants with this prouiso which the Prince of Oratours Marcus Tullius made in like case who vsing in his owne behalfe the confession of one of his Opponents intreated the Iudges Not to belieue him the lesse because he was a man of himselfe little worthy of credit but rather to belieue him the more because he spake in that point both repugnant to his cause and contrary to himselfe 6. Soe I desire my Reader not to make lesse reckoning of the testimony of Protestants in fauour of vs for that their authority of it selfe is of small account but to esteeme it the rather because their owne consciences induce them in matters of such weight to depose against themselues and against the oath of their owne confederacy Especially seeing M. Whitaker with many of his Vvhitak de Eccles cont 2. q. 5. cap. 10. Tertul. de testimonio animae aduersus gentes associates whome I let passe contesteth It must needes be a stronge and forcible argument which is taken from the confessiō of the aduerse part It must needs moue any reasonable man as Tertullian vpon an occosion not much different affirmeth to see The very enuiers and persecutors of Christian verity condemned by their owne records as guilty of errour in themselues and iniquity against vs. Which when many of my deare Countrimen shall read and peruse few I trust will be so wilfully bent as to persist in their follie so many festly opened discouered vnto them Few will be such enemies to their soules as to forsake the path which assuredly leadeth to the house of Saluation August in Psalm 32. The giuer of light and God of all goodnes open their eyes and inspire their harts That they may recouer themselues and see that they haue nothing at all to oppose against the Truth THE TABLE Shewing the Controuersyes discussed and maintained in this first Part. THE FIRST BOOKE The first Controuersy DECLARETH how neither the holy Scripture by it selfe nor by any meanes the Protestants assigne can be iudge of Controuersyes against D. Whitaker D. Reynoldes and all other Protestants pag. 1. The 2. Chapter VVherin all that which D. Reynoldes D. Sparkes M. Whitaker deuise to bolster their former position is refuted pag. 27. The 2. Controuersy That all things necessary to saluation are not cōtained in Scripture against D. Reynoldes D. Bilson and D. Field pag. 42. The 3. Controuersy VVherein the Reall Presence is maintayned against D. Bilson and D. Sparkes pag. 58. The 2 Chapter In which D. Bilson D. Sparkes and all Sacramentaryes are more particulerly refelled and other their chiefest arguments answered pag. 77. The 4. Controuersy VVherein is vpholden the Sacrifice of the Masse against D. Bilson D. Reynoldes and D. Sparkes pag. 93. The 5. Controuersy VVherin the Communion vnder one kind is defended against D. Bilson D. Fulk all other Protestants p. 116 The 6. Controuersy Conuinceth the necessity of Confession against D. Sparkes and D. Fulke pag. 129. The 7. Controuersy Establisheth Satisfaction against D. Field D. Fulke p. 144. The 8. Countrouersy Approueth the doctrine and practise of Indulgences against D. Fulke and other Sectaryes pag. 160. THE SECOND BOOKE The ninth Controuersy MANIFESTETH how Christ our Sauiour performed not the office of Mediation according to both his Natures against D. Fulke and D. Field The 10 Controuersy Demonstrateth the Primacy of S. Peter against D. Bilson and D. Reynoldes pag. 191. The 11. Controuersy Vpholdeth the Popes Supremacy against D. Bilson and D. Reynoldes pag. 209. THE THIRD BOOKE The tweluth Controuersy FREETH the true worship of Saints of their Shrines and Reliques from Idolatry against D. Bilson D. Reynoldes and D. Fulke pag. 233. The 13. Controuersy
as they ought to do which ignorance of theirs partly proceedeth from the weaknes of our Vnderstanding partly from the depth and sublimity of the misteryes proposed partly also from the vnsearchablenes of Gods wayes and secrecy of his vnacquainted motions of which Iob sayd If God come vnto me I shall not see him and if he depart away from me I shall not vnderstand it Wherfore Iob. 9. â—â— Field lib. 4. cap. 7. seeing No man as M. Field doth witnes proueth a thing doubtfull by that which is as much doubted of as it selfe No man can be assured of the true sense and signification of Scripture by the internal working of God in his hart which is as much to be doubted of and alike hard to be discerned as the very sense it selfe and meaning of the Scripture 23. Secondly we are counsailed Not to belieue euery 2â— Ioâ— 4. â— spirit but to proue the spirits if they be of God But if the spirits must be brought to the touch-stone of triall if they must be approued and iudged by some other well knowne vndoubted authority they are not themselues the triall and Iudge of our differences Nay suppose we were assured of the inspiration assured of the holy Ghost speaking in our harts yet that speach is inuisible that motion inuisible that iudgement inuisible it cannot heare the causes examine the arguments or pronounce any desinitiue VVhitaâ—â—â— adu Stâ—pl l. 2. â— 6. sentence at all by which the contentious may be silenced the innocent acquited the guilty condemned The testimony of the spirit sayth Whitaker being priuate and secret is vnfit to teach or refell others if vnfit to teach vnfit to refell then wholy vnfit wholy vnable to cleare doubts decide Controuersyes or end the quarrells of the paâ—tyes in strife 24. Thirdly The rule and guide of our beliefe ought to haue some neere affinity and connexion with that which it guideth The measure as the Philosophers teach must be alwayes proportionable to the thing measured But the inward inspiration hath no such affinity and proportion with our Catholike fayth because that is secret this publique that particuler this vniuersall that meerly interiour and working only in the hart this exteriour Hooker of Ecclesi Policy lib. 1. sect 14. lib. 2. sect 8. lib. 3. sect 8. pag. 149. 147. lib. 2. sect 7 pag. 116. VVhitak aduers Staplet lib. 2. c. 4. pag. 330. p. 29â— ZaÌ„cb in his confess cap. 1. Brent in prolegom Kemnit in exam Conc. Tri. Aug. l. con ep FuxdaÌ„ c. 5 de vtil cre â—en c. 14. also and professed by the word of mouth In so much as that cannot possibly be a competent rule or proportionable measure to mete or square out the misteryes of our sayth Fourthly M. Hooker a Protestant of no smal account constaÌ„tly auoucheth with whoÌ„ M. Whitak other sectaryes heerin agree that the outward letter sealed with the inward witnesse of the spirit is not a sufficient warrant for euery particuler man to iudg and approue the Scripture to be Canonicall the ghospel itself to be the ghospell of Christ but the authority of gods Church as he acknowledgeth is necessarily required therunto Therefore neither are they sufficient to iudge of the sense or meaning of the Scripture for that saith S. Augustin which we obey and belieue testifying this book to be the Ghospell the same must we belieue witnessing this to be the sense of the Ghospel because it were no lesse then madnes to repaire to the Catholike Church for the approbation of Gods word run to her rebells for the sense of his word to her publick censure for that their priuat iudgment for this yea a meer madnes to thinke that euery Sectary should be indued with a diuine spirit to interpret holy writ and that the whole Church of Christ all her pastours and doctors ioyntly vnited should be depriued of the same 25. Fyfthly The ordinary way by which God instructeth vs in matters of belief is by publik preaching Fayth saith S. Paul is by hearing it is to be receaued from the lipps of the preists from the mouth of Saints Ad Rom. 10. vers 17. Malae 2 Luc. 1. Ad Ephes 4. from the pastors and teachers whome Christ hath appoynted in his Church and not from priuate reading of Scripture ioyned with the secret inspiration For that noble man of Aethiopia the Eunuch disigeÌ„tly perused the oracles of God and wanted not without doubt the inward operation of the holy Ghost being so religious as he had bin on pilgrimage at Hierusalem to adore and Act. 8. v. 30. 3â— so deuout as he read the Scriptures riding in his chariot yet when S. Philip asked him Trowest thou that thou vnderstandest the things that thou readest he said And how can I vnlesse some man shew me Therfore besides the outward reading inward working a publike interpreter and expoundeâ— is necessary for the true vnderstanding of holy writ 26. Sixthly The standing to the Iudgment of the hidden Spirit is the very roote of dissention and fountaine of discord in the vain chalengers and boasters therof it affoardeth euery sectary his priuate weights his particuler forge to coyne and allow what doctrine he pleaseth it licenseth the members to controle their heads the schollers to contradict and chang their masters Tertul. de praescript cap. 420 principles which Tertullian reproueth in the Heretiks of his dayes saying That hath bin lawfull to the Valentinians which was lawfull for Valentinus that to the Marcionites which to Marcion of their own accord to alter and innouate their belief Of their owne accord he sayth because the teaching of the holy Ghost is vniforme and the same he could not be author of such chops and changes of such schismes diuisions And yet they al pretended as our Ghospellers August tract 4â— in Ioanâ— Laâ—â—h ep ad Antwerp tom 2. Germ. Ieâ— fol. 10â— do his heauenly illumination There are innumerable sayth S. Augustine who do not only boast that they are Videntes or Prophets but will seeme to be illuminated or enlightned by Christ but are Heretikes And Luther the ring-leader of Protestants conformably writeth There is no Asse in this tyme so soâ—rish and blockish but will haue the dreames of his owne head and his opinion accepted for the instinct of the Holy Ghost and himselfe esteemed as a Prophet Whence it commeth as he immediatly before complayneth That there be as many sects Osiand in confut Script Melancth contra ipsum edit l. cont Nicticor Aug. ep 222. ad CoÌ„sent and Religions among vs as there be men That such variances arise betweene the professours of the same Religion as Osiander a Protestant telleth vs That among the Confessionists only there were twenty different opinions concerning the formall cause of iustification and that euery one is affirmed to be deduced and proued out of the word of God by the holy Ghost surely as they imagined secretly
his seruants from Adam euen vntyll Moyses for the space of 2000. yeares without recording any one precept or instruction he gaue And when Iesus Christ his only Sonne came into this world he called his Apostles planted his Church Mar. 16. v. 15. Luc. 10. 16. Math. 18 v. 7. Matth. 23. v. 3. see S. Aug. ep 165. preached his heauenly doctrine yet neuer penned or so much as commaunded any one mystery to be written He gaue his Apostles commisson to preach the Ghospell to euery creature He charged vs to heare them as himself to giue eare to whatsoeuer they should teach or say But to giue credit only to what they should write he neuer gaue charge And therfore they preached many yeares conuerted thousands and deliuered vnto them the food of life before they compiled the bookes of Scripture as all our Aduersaries will confesse Yet sayth D. Reynolds after these bookes were once penned and published abroad all Reyn in his first Conclusion p. 616. things requisite to saluation are there conteyned which thus he laboureth to proue The Prophets taught the old Church the way of Saluation the Apostles with the Prophets togeather teach the new more plenteously fully The Doctrine of the Prophets Apostles is comprized in the holy Scripture the Scripture therfore teacheth the Church whatsoeuer is behoofull to Saluation Oh deceiptfull disputant who in so weighty a matter vseth such Sophistry How creepeth the Pronoune whatsoeuer into your conclusion not auouched in the premisses But if you will haue it vnderstood I denie your Minor I denie that the whole doctrine of the Prophets and Apostles is comprized in holy Scripture 2. To begin with the doctrine of the Prophets Moyses the first Scribe and chiefe Secretary of the holy Ghost was so farre from setting downe all thinges he receaued Orig ho. 5. in Num. Hilar. in Ps 2. from the mouth of God that whereas he was taught by him the law and true sense which is the life soule of the law the law he engrossed in writing but the sense and exposition thereof as Origen and S. Hilary affirme he secretly deliuered by inuiolable tradition to his Successours euen by the expresse will commandment of God as he seemed by Esdras whose testimony Esd â— 4. c. 14. v. 5. 6. as a most holy and learned man must needes beare sway in these plaine tearms to declare I haue disclosed vnto Moyses many meruailous things c. And I haue charged him saying These words shalt thou lay open and these shalt thou conceale Among which he concealed what meanes God prouided for the sauing and purging of women from originall infection what for children before the eight day of circumcision thinges not mentioned in Scripture as D. Field with Andradius willingly confesseth and proueth by Field l. 4. pag. 236. Andrad defen l. 2. the authority of S. Gregory That children then were saued by the faith of their parents Yet when Andradius inferreth that this at least could not be knowne but by Tradition D. Field reiecteth his inference as friuolous and sayth most fondly and contrary to himselfe That it was knowne and concluded out of the generall and common rules of reason and equity Field pag. 237. Most fondly For what necessary sequele haue the incomprehensible secrets of Gods hidden election in things supernatural with the common rules of naturall reason Are his wayes and meanes of saluation any way tyed to the discourse of man S. Paul who was rapt into the third heauen amiddest all his reuelations thought them farre aboue the reach of humane wit when he cryed out O alt tudo c. O the depth of the riches of Gods wisedome and knowledge how inscrutable are his iudgments and his wayes vnsearchable And were they made plaine before to Rom. 11. v. 33. the Iewes by the common rules of reason and equity Most contrary to himselfe because if the soueraigne and necessary meanes of sauing the aforesaid partyes not specifyed in holy writ be deduced from these general grouÌ„ds some behoofull thing necessary to saluation against Bilson against Reynoldes against himselfe is not conteined in Scripture 3. To these and such like close and hidden Traditions Eccles 8. v. 11. 12. King Salomon referred the Children of Israël when he sayd Let not passe the narration of thy elders for they haue beene taught by their fathers and of them thou shalt learne vnderstanding Of these King Dauid spake How many things hath Psal 77. â— he commanded our Fathers to make knowne to their children Of these the whole Scripture is so full as M. Reynolds and M. Bilson languishing in this Controuersy for want of proofs are faine to alleadge such texts to warrant their assertion as their aduersaryes might produce to diswarrant Rein. Con. â— p. 616. Bils 2. p. pag. 267. the same M. Reynolds obiecteth that saying of Moyses Giue eare O Israël to the ordinances which I teach Bilson that of Deutronomy Whatsoeuer I command that shall yee do Do not these places make for me What Rein pag. 616. 617. I teach what I command sayth God not what I write Reynoldes vrgeth out of Ieremy How Idolators are condemned for doing in their Sacrifices things which our Lord commanded Bils 2. paâ—â— pag. 206. Mala. 2. Bils 2. par p. 289. peruâ—â—ts this place translating the Priests lips should preserue wheras it is expresly in Hâ—brew jjâ—hmeru in Greeke 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 in Latine custodieÌ„t shall preserue Ioan. ep 2. v 12. 1. Cor. cap. 11. â—4 not Which he commanded not I grant neither by word nor writing D. Bilson alleadgeth King Dauid How the word of God is a lanterne to our feete Reynolds cyteth Malachy Willing the people to remember the law of Moyses The word the law I confesse as well recorded in harts as printed in bookes which Malachy himselfe witnesseth The lipes of the Priests not the leaues of paper only shall keep or preserue knowledge and thou shalt require the law from his mouth Could they haue chosen better weapons for my aduantage then these they bring forth in their owne defence Perchance they reserue their forces to mantaine at least that after the Apostles and Euangelists penned their preaching nothing auailable to saluation is left vnwritten But their weaknes also heerein shall openly appeare as soon as I haue proued that the Apostles thought it not expedient to set downe all things in writing that they often referre vs to vnwritten Traditions that reason conuinceth the necessity of them and the Fathers mention many which we must needs imbrace 5. S. Iohn sayth Hauing more things to write vnto you I would not impart them by paper and inke S. Paul left some holy decrees and ordinances vnpenned of which he spake to the Corinthians The rest I will dispose when I come some deep points of Christs Priesthood insinuated to the Hebrewes Of whome I haue great speach and inexplicable to
not wholy of it selfe worke our conuersion M. Fulke His Grace doth not only helpe but wholy conuert man S. Augustine interpreting those words of S. Iohn They could not beleeue If any man aske saith he why they could not beleeue I answere roundly Because they would not M. Fulke They neither would nor could be willing because they were reprobate Did euer Reprobate write more opposite to Gods Elect then this Well If blessed S. Augustine the whole Churches authority for many ages be so little regarded Aug. tract 53. in Ioan will the reasons I insinuated aboue take place with our Gospellers Many as I said are gathered out of the Fathers writings amongst the rest foure principall Fulke in c. 12. Ioa. sect 3. Nys l. 9. de Phi. c. 3. 10. The first is taken from the aduise and consultation which all prudent men obserue in their actions both good and bad an argument much vrged to this purpose by S. Gregory Nissen saying It is necessary that he who consulteth should be Lord and Owner of his actions For if he be not Lord and Master of his actions he consulteth in vaine c. But to haue dominion and rule ouer our actions is altogether the property of Free-will Therefore man who deliberateth consulteth as well in Spirituall matters as in Morall and Ciuill hath free-will in all 11. The second reason is drawen from the counsels precepts encouragements and exhortations to vertue from the prohibitions threatnings and disswasions from vice likewise from the commendations honours and rewards which waite on that and from the disgraces punishments rebukes which alwaies attend on this things often repeated in the Psalmes in the Prouerbs in the Prophesies and almost in euery page of holy Scripture Howbeit S. Irenaeus S. Clement Alexandrinus Origen S. Cyril and S. Augustine frequently auouch they were all to no purpose if man were spoiled of his freedome and liberty S. Irenaeus If it were not in our power to doe these things or not to doe them what cause had the Apostle and our Lord himselfe Iraen l. 4. cap. 72. Clem. Alex lib. 2. strom Orig. Phil. cap. 21. long before to giue counsaile what things we should doe what leaue vndone S. Clement Alexandrinus Neyther dispraise nor honours nor punishments were iust if the soule had not free power Origen When our Lord giueth Commandments what other thing doth he insinnate then that it is in our power to performe the things we are commanded S. Cyril The Diuell suggesteth vnto thee the thoughts of wantonnesse if thou wilt thou entertaynest if not thou withstandest them For if of necessity thou shouldest commit fornication to what end hath God prepared the torments of Cyr. Hieros Cateches 4. Hell And if thou liue vprightly by nature and not by will why hath he reserued the Crownes of Heauen The sheepe is a milde and innocent beast yet is not for her mildnes crowned S. Augustine Vnlesse the motion whereby the will is led to and fro were voluntary and rested in our owne power man should neyther be prayse-worthy Aug. l. 3. de lib. arbit cap 1. turning as it were the thinge of his will to heauenly things nor worthy of blame winding it downe to earthly Nor to be admonished at all c. But whosoeuer thinketh that man is not to be admonished c. deserueth to be banished out of the company of men 12 These wise sayings of the learned Fathers daily obseruation and course of experience doth inuincibly strengthen For who is so simple as to vse exhortations precepts threats or reprehensions to things not endued with freedome of choyce for example who doth exhort the sunne to rise or fire to burne Who giueth precepts Who enacteth lawes to fooles mad-men or children before they ariue to the vse of reason And doth not euery Tribunall euery Iudge euery Iury rather acquite then endite them of their fault who plead this excuse Was there euer any law made how tall men should grow Mat. cap. 6. vers 27. or what complexion or stature they should be of And why Because it is not in the power of man as the Scripture sayth To adde to his stature one Cubite 12. The third reason Eusebius gathereth from the Eus l. 6. de praepar Euang. cap. 7. common practise custome of them who deny Free-will For they admonish and reprehend their followers they take aduise vse deliberation care and diligence in their affaires they perswade others to be of their mind they blame and seuerely chastise if they be able all such as refuse to subscribe to their assertions In which kind our English Protestants aboue all others are now most peruersly bent For besids the exhortations preachings writings conference and sundry perswasions they vse to make vs Catholikes reuolt vnto them they also to this purpose disgrace and reuile vs both in priuate and publike they daily enact most seuere lawes against vs they ransacke our houses confiscate our goods imprison our persons punish and afflict vs with as many heauy pressures penalties molestations aggrieuances as euer any Christiās of Christiās endured And al this to no other end but to enforce a conformity of our beliefe and Religion to theirs Howbeit if their Religion were true orthodoxal as I proue it Hereticall and we wanted the freedome of will as they hold to yield our assent vnto it their Conferences were all in vayne their perswasions foolish their lawes wicked their punishment vniust to compel vs to that which lyeth not in our power ability to do For who accounteth it not sayth S. Augustine a foolish thing to guie Commaundmēts Aug. tom 6. de fide cont Manich. c. 9. 10. Arist l. 2. Eth. c. 4. Aug. l. 1. Confes cap. 11. tom 6. in Disp ◠cont Fortunat◠Idem tom 4. 38. quaest q. 24. Calu. in l. 3. 4. aduersus Pighium l. 2. Instit. c. 2 3. Fulke in c. 12. Matt. sect 1. in c. 25. sect 5. perkins in his refor Catho 1. point touching free-will vnto him who hath no freedome to execute what he is commaunded and an vniust thing to condemne him who hath no power to fulfill the precepts imposed vpon him 14. The fourth and last reason is grounded in the intrinsecall nature of vertue and condition of vice For as no action according to Aristotle and all Deuines can be morally good so no sinne sinnefull except it be voluntary and freely done S. Augustine saith no man vnwilling doth good although the thing be good which he doth And Sins except there were Freewill in vs were no sinnes Also Neyther Synne nor well-doing can be iustly imputed vnto any man who of his proper will doth nothing Therfore both sinne and well doing is in the free arbitrement of the will 15. Caluin Fulke Perkins and their Adherents answere this latter point That sinne is iustly imputed vnto man deteyned in the seruitude thereof because he freely