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B09776 The Anabaptists meribah: or, VVaters of strife. Being a reply to a late insulting pamphlet, written by Thomas Lamb, merchant, intitulled, Truth prevailing against the fiercest opposition; or, An answer to Mr. John Goodwins Water-dipping, no firm footing for church-communion. Wherein the impertinency of M. Lamb's answer, and the validity of M. Goodwin's Water-dipping, &c. are manifested by I. Price a member of the Church of Christ, whereof the said Mr. Goodwin is pastor. Price, J., fl. 1656. 1656 (1656) Wing P3332A; ESTC R182056 87,699 107

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assertive_a of_o your_o practice_n and_o who_o pronounce_v all_o man_n unworthy_a of_o christian-communion_n who_o be_v not_o as_o positive_a and_o assertive_a as_o yourselves_o but_o alas_o mountain_n and_o rock_n be_v not_o so_o easy_a remove_v by_o babe_n and_o suckling_n and_o puff_v away_o with_o a_o breath_n sect_n lxxiii_o the_o 19_o consideration_n be_v as_o you_o say_v the_o same_o with_o the_o 8_o you_o pass_v over_o with_o reference_n to_o your_o answer_n thereunto_o and_o so_o do_v i_o with_o reference_n to_o my_o reply_n to_o that_o answer_n and_o if_o that_o 19_o consideration_n be_v nineteen_o time_n put_v upon_o your_o thought_n it_o will_v be_v too_o little_a for_o you_o to_o withstand_v the_o due_a weight_n and_o import_n thereof_o mr._n goodwin_n 20._o consideration_n be_v to_o