Selected quad for the lemma: authority_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
authority_n	believe_v	divine_a	word_n	2,702	5	4.7572	4	false

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A93887	Zerubbabel to Sanballat and Tobiah: or, The first part of the duply to M.S. alias Two brethren. By Adam Steuart. Whereunto is added, the judgement of the reformed churches of France, Switzerland, Geneva, &c. concerning independants, who condemne them with an unanimous consent. Published by David Steuart. March 17. 1644. Imprimatur Ja: Cranford.; Duply to M.S. alias Two brethren. Part 1	Steuart, Adam.; Steuart, David, fl. 1644.	1645 (1645)	Wing S5494; Thomason E274_14; ESTC R209896	100,836	110

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therefore_o the_o first_o legal_o may_v have_v be_v license_v and_o the_o other_o can_v not_o be_v license_v quest_n 3._o whether_o any_o man_n may_v not_o state_n and_o determine_v question_n agitate_a in_o synod_n before_o the_o synod_n determination_n m._n s._n blame_v i_o mighty_o for_o state_v some_o question_n now_o in_o agitation_n in_o the_o synod_n to_o the_o contrary_a i_o conceive_v that_o herein_o i_o have_v do_v nothing_o amiss_o but_o for_o the_o better_a state_v and_o determine_v of_o this_o question_n we_o must_v observe_v 1._o that_o there_o be_v two_o sort_n of_o question_n some_o that_o be_v already_o determine_v in_o god_n word_n and_o his_o church_n also_o other_o that_o be_v not_o 2._o that_o there_o be_v some_o determination_n by_o public_a authority_n as_o law_n statute_n ecclesiastical_a canon_n etc._n etc._n and_o other_o particular_a proceed_v