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the_o church_n of_o god_n set_v in_o the_o heap_n of_o chaff_n and_o tare_n do_v only_o suffer_v many_o thing_n only_o ep_v 119._o he_o 3._o distinguish_v betwixt_o bellarmine_n and_o the_o defendant_n allege_v of_o tradition_n because_o bell._n speak_v of_o doctrine_n necessary_a to_o salvation_n which_o be_v not_o true_a for_o bell._n in_o that_o chapter_n make_v no_o mention_n of_o doctrine_n necessary_a to_o salvation_n and_o in_o the_o next_o chapter_n but_o one_o cap._n 11._o he_o confess_v that_o all_o thing_n absolute_o necessary_a to_o salvation_n be_v write_v in_o the_o scripture_n and_o which_o be_v much_o more_o all_o thing_n that_o be_v either_o necessary_a or_o profitable_a for_o all_o man_n to_o know_v sect_n 18.19_o concern_v protestant_n witness_v against_o the_o negative_a argument_n from_o scripture_n 1._o bellarmine_n be_v bring_v in_o by_o the_o def._n as_o a_o indifferent_a adversary_n confessinge_v that_o protestant_n hold_v the_o apostle_n to_o have_v 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can_v be_v confute_v but_o bare_o deny_v 2._o as_o circumstance_n of_o order_n and_o decency_n have_v their_o general_a command_n or_o testimony_n in_o scripture_n so_o have_v those_o rite_n which_o chemnitius_n understand_v or_o else_o his_o sentence_n be_v without_o any_o ground_n out_o of_o scripture_n 3._o the_o same_o answer_n be_v give_v and_o no_o other_o rejoynder_n make_v about_o calvin_n danaeus_n whitaker_n and_o zanchie_a save_v that_o of_o zanchie_a it_o be_v observe_v &_o urge_v by_o the_o rejoynd_a that_o he_o say_v some_o ceremony_n may_v help_v for_o the_o furtherance_n of_o piety_n which_o have_v no_o foundation_n in_o the_o word_n give_v instance_n of_o the_o solemnity_n of_o easter_n etc_n tract_n de_fw-fr sacra_fw-la scriptura_fw-la for_o who_o i_o answer_v that_o his_o sentence_n must_v be_v understand_v of_o no_o particular_a foundation_n or_o else_o he_o shall_v give_v more_o than_o any_o papist_n will_v require_v concern_v their_o humane_a ecclesiastical_a 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for_o stiff_a opposition_n to_o ecclesiastical_a law_n which_o they_o despiteful_o speak_v &_o write_v against_o &_o for_o contempt_n of_o these_o statute_n law_n by_o which_o the_o book_n of_o common_a prayer_n be_v establish_v for_o that_o they_o draw_v as_o fast_o as_o they_o can_v into_o a_o body_n of_o themselves_o engross_a a_o forehand_n the_o name_n of_o brethren_n the_o godly_a the_o church_n the_o good_a christian_n as_o though_o we_o have_v lose_v our_o christ_n &_o they_o have_v find_v he_o quite_o away_o 222_o pag_n 13._o the_o term_v of_o our_o cerem_fw-la popish_a be_v do_v out_o of_o faction_n &_o to_o make_v the_o imposer_n &_o observer_n of_o they_o hateful_a with_o the_o people_n of_o god_n which_o i_o believe_v no_o church_n will_v suffer_v i_o be_o sure_a it_o shall_v not_o pag_n 238._o 14._o this_o man_n force_v his_o wit_n &_o i_o fear_v his_o conscience_n also_o &_o do_v not_o believe_v himself_o when_o he_o say_v that_o these_o cerem_fw-la be_v impose_v as_o 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the_o truth_n of_o worthiness_n but_o only_o the_o name_n when_o in_o his_o preface_n he_o thus_o write_v p._n 3._o some_o peaceable_a &_o very_a worthy_a minister_n be_v cast_v out_o quaere_fw-la 7._o whether_o they_o that_o can_v entertain_v truth_n cross_v to_o their_o opinion_n &_o seek_v honour_n one_o from_o another_o can_v have_v any_o truth_n of_o grace_n our_o saviour_n seem_v to_o gainsay_v it_o 5._o john_n and_o therefore_o whether_o there_o be_v any_o colour_n of_o argument_n for_o the_o rej._n to_o condemn_v all_o nonconformist_n as_o such_o who_o this_o charge_n condemn_v quaere_fw-la 8._o whether_o do_v the_o vilefy_v of_o a_o relic_n which_o one_o conceive_v superstition_n argue_v a_o spirit_n of_o rancour_n how_o come_v the_o rej_n to_o be_v sure_a that_o god_n will_v judge_v they_o for_o these_o whether_o may_v they_o not_o repent_v &_o
they_o will_v accord_v the_o doctor_n must_v write_v that_o he_o may_v not_o be_v wrought_v out_o of_o the_o heart_n of_o his_o people_n pag._n 11._o and_o yet_o he_o confess_v by_o writing_n he_o have_v wrought_v himself_o out_o of_o the_o heart_n of_o the_o godly_a his_o defence_n to_o the_o 2._o obj_fw-la be_v yet_o more_o feeble_a though_o more_o ingenious_a for_o his_o answer_v be_v nothing_o but_o yield_v the_o cause_n in_o some_o compass_n and_o circumlocution_n of_o word_n for_o 1_o when_o he_o grant_n that_o he_o forbear_v some_o year_n this_o course_n of_o writing_n that_o he_o may_v not_o exasperate_v authority_n he_o privy_o yea_o plain_o yield_v the_o objection_n have_v such_o rational_a face_n in_o it_o that_o it_o do_v not_o only_o press_v he_o but_o prevail_v with_o he_o also_o where_o as_o 2._o lie_v he_o add_v that_o by_o this_o mean_v he_o have_v some_o hope_n to_o persuade_v some_o to_o conform_v &_o so_o to_o avoid_v the_o lash_n of_o authority_n by_o this_o he_o do_v not_o only_o yield_v the_o objection_n but_o confirm_v &_o establish_v it_o for_o if_o only_a those_o who_o be_v persuade_v by_o his_o answer_v shall_v avoid_v the_o lash_n therefore_o they_o who_o will_v not_o be_v persuade_v must_v expect_v the_o blow_n and_o shall_v be_v sure_a to_o feel_v it_o 3._o he_o add_v for_o his_o own_o intention_n sure_o i_o be_o that_o i_o desire_v not_o the_o vexation_n of_o any_o sober_a man_n but_o his_o own_o bond_n will_v not_o be_v take_v because_o he_o have_v so_o often_o break_v his_o word_n he_o must_v seek_v for_o other_o surety_n quid_fw-la verba_fw-la audiam_fw-la cum_fw-la facta_fw-la videam_fw-la little_a power_n have_v word_n to_o persuade_v any_o of_o common_a understanding_n when_o the_o practice_n go_v the_o contrary_a way_n nor_o yet_o can_v i_o discern_v how_o to_o judge_v of_o any_o man_n desire_n but_o only_o by_o his_o endeavour_n those_o heavy_a accusation_n uncharitable_a censure_n whereby_o he_o charge_v &_o that_o with_o 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maintain_v be_v a_o dishonour_v to_o authority_n 2._o d.b._n believe_v authority_n will_v not_o thus_o dishonour_v itself_o answ_v the_o first_o of_o which_o be_v a_o most_o dangerous_a assertion_n &_o be_v make_v a_o chief_a bar_n to_o stay_v papist_n &_o other_o from_o reform_v of_o any_o thing_n that_o other_o have_v oppose_v &_o they_o defend_v and_o its_o usual_a in_o the_o mouth_n of_o false_a flatterer_n &_o back_o friend_n to_o all_o reformation_n &_o i_o will_v hope_v that_o d.b._n do_v utter_v more_o in_o this_o by_o his_o pen_n than_o he_o mean_v in_o his_o heart_n beside_o the_o consequence_n be_v not_o so_o dangerous_a but_o the_o ground_n be_v as_o weak_a for_o the_o long_a continuance_n or_o maintenance_n of_o a_o thing_n if_o evil_a &_o unlawful_a be_v so_o far_o from_o bring_v dishonour_n upon_o any_o for_o the_o removeall_n of_o it_o that_o retain_v thereof_o increase_v both_o his_o sin_n &_o shame_n &_o it_o argue_v a_o great_a measure_n of_o humility_n &_o power_n of_o grace_n to_o abandon_v it_o nay_o be_v the_o thing_n lawful_a if_o yet_o by_o circumstance_n it_o do_v appear_v that_o god_n honour_n the_o common_a good_a the_o aedification_n of_o our_o brethren_n may_v more_o be_v promote_v by_o the_o removeall_n of_o it_o though_o it_o be_v hoary_a head_v with_o antiquity_n &_o continuance_n it_o argue_v great_a love_n to_o god_n &_o man_n to_o alter_v it_o rather_o than_o to_o keep_v it_o in_o use_n &_o that_o will_v bring_v great_a honour_n to_o he_o that_o shall_v so_o do_v since_o by_o the_o verdict_n of_o god_n spirit_n he_o be_v most_o honourable_a that_o most_o honour_v god_n 2._o from_o these_o ground_n how_o rot_a &_o unsavoury_a the_o second_o particular_a of_o the_o rej._n his_o defence_n be_v will_v easy_o be_v grant_v for_o if_o in_o such_o a_o removeall_n the_o duty_n of_o authority_n do_v consist_v the_o power_n of_o grace_n do_v appear_v the_o glory_n of_o god_n &_o good_a of_o the_o church_n &_o common_a wealth_n will_v be_v advance_v to_o be_v of_o that_o belief_n with_o d._n b._n that_o magistrate_n will_v never_o be_v bring_v to_o do_v what_o they_o ought_v how_o uncharitable_a be_v it_o thus_o to_o lay_v their_o honour_n in_o the_o dust_n and_o not_o to_o press_v they_o hereunto_o when_o we_o may_v &_o by_o our_o call_n oughts_z how_o unconscionable_a be_v it_o and_o how_o contrary_a to_o that_o love_n we_o owe_v to_o the_o almighty_a &_o our_o governor_n the_o crowd_n of_o objection_n which_o he_o make_v concern_v himself_o i_o conceyve_v as_o so_o many_o struggle_n of_o spirit_n which_o stand_v in_o the_o way_n to_o withstand_v he_o in_o his_o course_n his_o conscience_n as_o it_o shall_v seem_v give_v the_o â—nsett_a &_o let_v in_o some_o such_o intimation_n as_o these_o to_o he_o why_o be_v not_o popery_n come_v in_o fast_n enough_o but_o you_o must_v make_v a_o preparation_n thereunto_o yea_o become_v a_o purveyor_n &_o harbinger_n to_o make_v room_n &_o lay_v in_o provision_n for_o it_o be_v it_o not_o sufficient_a that_o the_o wicket_n be_v set_v open_a that_o the_o popish_a pack_n may_v be_v draw_v in_o but_o you_o must_v set_v open_a the_o great_a gate_n that_o a_o sumpter_n horse_n may_v amble_v in_o with_o a_o load_n of_o relic_n &_o cerem_fw-la for_o if_o the_o patent_n of_o the_o church_n be_v so_o enlarge_v to_o appoint_v cerem_fw-la at_o their_o pleasure_n to_o admonish_v and_o teach_v and_o it_o be_v in_o their_o power_n to_o appoint_v what_o &_o how_o many_o as_o seem_v good_a to_o they_o why_o then_o let_v image_n be_v erect_v let_v cross_n &_o crucifix_n be_v set_v up_o in_o every_o corner_n these_o be_v lawful_a admonitor_n &_o instructer_n &_o we_o can_v have_v too_o many_o good_a companion_n to_o put_v we_o in_o mind_n of_o our_o duty_n consider_v beside_o how_o many_o poor_a minister_n be_v under_o pressure_n some_o flee_v some_o imprison_v many_o suspend_v themselves_o &_o family_n undo_v why_o will_v you_o not_o suffer_v they_o to_o lie_v in_o the_o dust_n but_o will_v you_o trample_v upon_o they_o even_o unto_o death_n be_v it_o not_o enough_o they_o make_v brick_n but_o must_v they_o be_v beat_v also_o oh_o consider_v as_o before_o the_o lord_n to_o who_o you_o must_v give_v a_o account_n do_v you_o well_o to_o blow_v the_o fire_n in_o the_o chymny_n while_n the_o flame_n be_v in_o the_o thach_n be_v not_o the_o fury_n of_o the_o bb._n yet_o fierce_a enough_o their_o rage_n sharp_a enough_o but_o you_o must_v set_v they_o on_o and_o strenghthen_v their_o hand_n to_o strike_v hard_o last_o be_v not_o cringe_v at_o altar_n bow_v at_o the_o name_n of_o jesus_n like_a to_o be_v bring_v in_o &_o practise_v with_o great_a forwardness_n &_o will_v you_o dare_v you_o encourage_v in_o such_o course_n yea_o give_v a_o approbation_n and_o commendation_n to_o they_o for_o they_o will_v say_v they_o be_v but_o significant_a cerem_fw-la they_o place_v no_o merit_n put_v no_o efficacy_n in_o they_o only_o they_o be_v admonitor_n of_o our_o duty_n thus_o be_v the_o foundation_n of_o superstition_n lay_v the_o gospel_n stopped_n and_o a_o open_a way_n make_v for_o popery_n and_o you_o be_v the_o persuader_n the_o encourager_n yea_o defender_n of_o all_o these_o how_o will_v you_o answer_n this_o at_o the_o great_a day_n yet_o do_v i_o not_o speak_v this_o as_o though_o i_o be_v trouble_v with_o the_o weight_n of_o any_o thing_n he_o have_v write_v for_o i_o profess_v unfayned_o the_o way_n of_o his_o traverse_n fynd_n welcome_a with_o i_o wherein_o the_o nakedness_n &_o indefensiblenes_n of_o his_o cause_n i_o hope_v will_v be_v discover_v only_o one_o thing_n i_o will_v most_o earnest_o entreat_v that_o he_o will_v show_n we_o but_o fair_a play_n in_o these_o proceed_n to_o wit_n that_o he_o
reg._n cap._n 8._o thus_o express_v it_o be_v lawful_a to_o doâ—_n what_o solomon_n do_v because_o though_o it_o be_v forbid_v to_o offer_v sacrifice_n elsewhere_o then_o at_o the_o altar_n of_o whole_a burnt-offering_n yet_o now_o upon_o necessity_n it_o may_v be_v when_o the_o altar_n be_v not_o sufficient_a to_o hold_v all_o nor_o do_v solomon_n against_o the_o law_n because_o now_o sacrifice_n be_v burn_v at_o the_o altar_n and_o on_o the_o altar_n together_o and_o so_o the_o whole_a court_n of_o the_o priest_n be_v in_o a_o manner_n but_o as_o one_o altar_n and_o the_o intent_n of_o the_o law_n be_v no_o other_o then_o that_o they_o shall_v not_o offer_v in_o divers_a place_n but_o here_o be_v but_o one_o continue_a place_n locis_fw-la licinâ—â—_n fuit_fw-la quod_fw-la 〈◊〉_d solomon_n quia_fw-la licet_fw-la prohibitum_fw-la asset_fw-la ofâ—erri_fw-la sacrificia_fw-la alibi_fw-la quam_fw-la in_o altari_fw-la holâ—caustorum_n tamen_fw-la nunc_fw-la ex_fw-la necessitate_v licuit_fw-la cum_fw-la non_fw-la possint_fw-la capi_fw-la sacrificia_fw-la super_fw-la altar_n etiam_fw-la non_fw-la videbaturagi_n contra_fw-la legem_fw-la quia_fw-la nunc_fw-la cremebantur_fw-la sacrificia_fw-la apud_fw-la altar_n &_o simul_fw-la in_o altari_fw-la &_o â—ic_fw-la videbatur_fw-la totum_fw-la atrium_n sacerdoâ—â—m_fw-la esse_fw-la tanquam_fw-la unum_fw-la altar_n intentio_fw-la autem_fw-la legis_fw-la erat_fw-la ut_fw-la non_fw-la offerrerentur_fw-la sacrificia_fw-la in_o diversis_fw-la locis_fw-la sect_n 22._o concern_v synogogue_n to_o this_o simple_a instance_n the_o reply_o answer_v 1._o that_o synagogue_n be_v no_o significant_a ceremony_n 2._o that_o it_o be_v most_o likely_a they_o be_v first_o found_v by_o those_o prophet_n which_o bring_v in_o school_n of_o the_o prophet_n 3._o that_o in_o they_o there_o be_v of_o old_a no_o significant_a humane_a ceremony_n use_v to_o the_o first_o be_v rejoin_v that_o the_o synagogue_n bear_v some_o representation_n of_o the_o sanctuary_n but_o i_o ask_v how_o be_v this_o representation_n in_o matter_n or_o form_n or_o use_v he_o seem_v to_o refer_v it_o unto_o use_n in_o resort_v to_o solemn_a worship_n now_o let_v any_o man_n consider_v whether_o every_o place_n appoint_v for_o solemn_a worship_n be_v a_o significant_a ceremony_n if_o so_o than_o no_o anabaptist_n ever_o deny_v significant_a ceremony_n of_o mansappoint_v which_o yet_o the_o rejoynderaccuse_v they_o for_o but_o this_o fond_a conceit_n be_v sufficient_o confute_v in_o the_o first_o part_n of_o this_o writing_n chap._n 4._o and_o 5._o yet_o suppose_v the_o synagogue_n have_v be_v a_o representation_n of_o the_o sanctuary_n which_o be_v a_o ceremony_n be_v every_o representation_n of_o a_o ceremony_n a_o new_a ceremony_n then_o any_o man_n may_v make_v more_o ceremony_n than_o there_o be_v man_n in_o his_o parish_n the_o second_o about_o the_o sound_n of_o synagogue_n by_o prophet_n which_o the_o repl._n say_v be_v most_o likely_a the_o rejoynder_n make_v a_o bold_a affirmation_n without_o proof_n but_o what_o boldness_n be_v in_o conjecture_v that_o to_o be_v likely_a which_o no_o man_n can_v give_v any_o likely_a reason_n against_o the_o three_o of_o no_o humane_a significant_a ceremony_n use_v in_o synagogue_n be_v absolute_o pronounce_v false_a but_o no_o reason_n of_o this_o sentence_n be_v give_v out_o of_o the_o scripture_n but_o only_o that_o they_o use_v there_o reverend_a gesture_n as_o if_o all_o reverend_a gesture_n be_v significant_a ceremony_n of_o man_n invention_n the_o rest_n that_o he_o quote_v out_o of_o purchas_n his_o pilgrimage_n be_v wander_a pilgrim_n without_o house_n or_o home_n and_o therefore_o worthy_a no_o other_o answer_n but_o that_o which_o our_o law_n have_v provide_v for_o vagabond_n sect_n 23.24.25.26_o concern_v love-feast_n 1._o the_o instance_n out_o of_o the_o old_a testament_n be_v such_o as_o we_o have_v now_o show_v they_o to_o be_v out_o of_o the_o new_a testament_n first_o be_v bring_v in_o the_o feast_n of_o love_n or_o charity_n now_o concern_v these_o feast_n no_o man_n can_v certain_o inform_v we_o who_o do_v appoint_v they_o i_o mervayl_v say_v the_o apostle_n according_a to_o erasmus_n his_o paraphrase_n on_o 1._o cor._n 11._o quis_fw-la ritus_fw-la istos_fw-la iâ—_n vos_fw-la invexerit_fw-la who_o brought-in_a these_o love-feast_n no_o man_n can_v tell_v we_o what_o religious_a signification_n be_v by_o institution_n annex_v unto_o they_o nay_o it_o can_v be_v show_v where_o they_o be_v speak_v of_o without_o reproof_n yet_o the_o defend_n and_o rejoynd_v will_v needs_o have_v they_o significant_a humane_a ceremony_n ordain_v and_o use_v by_o the_o apostle_n 2._o to_o this_o it_o be_v 1._o answer_v by_o m_n r._n nic._n that_o if_o they_o be_v of_o apostolical_a than_o they_o be_v of_o divine_a institution_n then_o which_o say_v the_o defender_n he_o can_v not_o have_v utter_v a_o more_o unlearned_a position_n nay_o soft_a it_o be_v reply_v this_o 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