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A85228 Certain considerations of present concernment: touching this reformed Church of England. With a particular examination of An: Champny (Doctor of the Sorbon) his exceptions against the lawful calling and ordination of the Protestant bishops and pastors of this Church. / By H: Ferne, D.D. Ferne, H. (Henry), 1602-1662. 1653 (1653) Wing F789; Thomason E1520_1; ESTC R202005 136,131 385

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or_o forbear_v for_o conscience_n sake_n 2._o that_o such_o forbearance_n of_o any_o practice_n be_v a_o act_n of_o simple_a and_o bare_a omission_n without_o clamour_n and_o contempt_n of_o authority_n without_o tumult_n or_o resistance_n with_o a_o readiness_n to_o suffer_v rather_o then_o be_v there_o peaceable_a subjection_n when_o private_a judgement_n keep_v within_o these_o bound_n for_o such_o conscionable_a forbearance_n of_o many_o practice_n in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n of_o high_a concernment_n and_o very_o evident_a they_o have_v good_a cause_n that_o be_v within_o her_o communion_n such_o practice_n be_v the_o exercise_n of_o religious_a worship_n many_o way_n apply_v in_o that_o church_n to_o the_o creature_n such_o also_o be_v some_o superstitious_a rite_n and_o ceremony_n have_v a_o kind_n of_o sacramental_a virtue_n and_o real_a holiness_n affix_v to_o they_o 18._o discipline_n in_o matter_n of_o ceremony_n or_o discipline_n but_o as_o for_o rite_n and_o ceremony_n 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in_o their_o ordination_n that_o it_o conclude_v they_o to_o have_v no_o pastor_n at_o all_o and_o no_o church_n this_o argument_n he_o pursue_v chief_o against_o doctor_n field_n ordination_n distinction_n of_o the_o power_n of_o bishop_n and_o presbyter_n as_o to_o ordination_n who_o in_o the_o 3._o book_n of_o the_o church_n cap._n 39_o have_v endeavour_v in_o behalf_n of_o the_o reform_a church_n that_o have_v not_o bishop_n to_o show_v that_o their_o ordination_n though_o not_o regular_a according_a to_o the_o way_n of_o the_o church_n yet_o be_v not_o simple_o invalid_a and_o that_o by_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o best_a schoolman_n who_o hold_v the_o office_n of_o a_o bishop_n to_o be_v not_o a_o distinct_a order_n or_o to_o imprint_v a_o distinct_a character_n from_o that_o of_o the_o priestly_a function_n which_o also_o they_o prove_v by_o this_o instance_n a_o bishop_n ordain_v per_fw-la saltum_fw-la i._n e._n who_o be_v not_o first_o make_v presbyter_n can_v either_o 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of_o judgement_n whole_o we_o be_v sure_a to_o transgress_v in_o give_v to_o they_o what_o be_v due_a to_o god_n so_o also_o must_v this_o submission_n be_v carry_v even_o between_o man_n and_o man_n by_o decline_v the_o romish_a excess_n of_o arrogate_a too_o much_o to_o the_o public_a authority_n and_o avoid_v the_o other_o extreme_a of_o give_v too_o much_o liberty_n to_o private_a judgement_n into_o which_o anabaptist_n and_o other_o sectary_n run_v and_o thereby_o make_v void_a the_o authority_n and_o office_n of_o the_o pastor_n of_o the_o church_n 3._o therefore_o that_o we_o may_v better_o discover_v the_o bound_n of_o due_a submission_n we_o must_v take_v aim_n as_o abovesaid_a from_o the_o consideration_n first_o matter_n general_n consideration_n of_o the_o authority_n and_o the_o matter_n of_o the_o authority_n to_o which_o the_o submission_n be_v yield_v that_o we_o find_v seat_v in_o the_o church_n nationall_n or_o universal_a and_o just_o require_v submission_n from_o 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to_o publish_v his_o judgement_n to_o other_o these_o thing_n be_v premise_v come_v we_o to_o some_o conclusion_n touch_v this_o submission_n 5._o from_o the_o consideration_n of_o authority_n to_o which_o submission_n be_v due_a we_o may_v say_v i._o authority_n pastor_n of_o the_o church_n single_o take_v have_v a_o public_a authority_n see_v the_o church_n speak_v her_o judgement_n by_o the_o pastor_n and_o teacher_n in_o it_o every_o such_o pastor_n be_v a_o public_a person_n and_o by_o his_o office_n and_o commission_n for_o teach_v guide_a &_o rule_v other_o have_v in_o regard_n of_o all_o they_o authority_n &_o public_a judgement_n to_o which_o there_o be_v a_o submission_n due_a they_o sit_v in_o moses_n chair_n and_o he_o that_o despise_v you_o despise_v i_o say_v our_o saviour_n submit_v and_o obey_v say_v s._n paul_n heb._n 13.17_o all_o which_o be_v speak_v of_o the_o pastor_n and_o teacher_n of_o the_o church_n not_o as_o join_v in_o council_n but_o several_o take_v and_o so_o teach_v what_o the_o church_n have_v learn_v of_o christ_n and_o what_o it_o declare_v and_o command_v agreeable_a to_o the_o voice_n of_o the_o great_a pastor_n speak_v in_o the_o word_n this_o conclusion_n be_v against_o anabaptist_n and_o sectary_n that_o make_v void_a the_o office_n and_o authority_n of_o the_o pastor_n of_o the_o church_n and_o against_o all_o other_o that_o acknowledge_v the_o office_n do_v too_o much_o weaken_v the_o authority_n receive_v what_o they_o teach_v and_o declare_v with_o little_a or_o no_o other_o respect_n then_o if_o the_o same_o be_v speak_v to_o they_o by_o any_o other_o men._n they_o of_o the_o romish_a church_n as_o they_o be_v not_o behind_o hand_n in_o give_v authority_n to_o their_o priest_n or_o pastor_n so_o do_v they_o acknowledge_v it_o not_o secure_v from_o error_n and_o the_o submission_n due_a to_o it_o not_o to_o be_v absolute_a but_o limit_v we_o need_v not_o therefore_o quarrel_v with_o they_o here_o all_o the_o business_n 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