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A20475 A quartron of reasons, composed by Doctor Hill, vnquartered, and prooued a quartron of follies: by Francis Dillingham, Bachelour of Diuinitie. August, in Senten ... Dillingham, Francis, d. 1625. 1603 (1603) STC 6889; ESTC S118442 90,324 122

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