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A93670 Questions propounded for resolution of unlearned Protestants in matter of religion, to the doctours of the prelaticall pretended reformed church of England. Spencer, John, 1601-1671. 1657 (1657) Wing S4957; ESTC R230353 15,605 57

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convince_v no_o more_o then_o that_o the_o roman_a be_v probable_a and_o so_o be_v in_o great_a likelihood_n to_o be_v the_o true_a religion_n but_o convince_v not_o that_o it_o be_v so_o much_o as_o moral_o certain_a to_o protestant_n bring_v thus_o far_o there_o be_v a_o obligation_n put_v upon_o roman_a doctor_n to_o prove_v at_o least_o the_o moral_a certainty_n of_o it_o to_o such_o as_o acknowledge_v that_o it_o be_v moral_o certain_a that_o the_o roman_a religion_n be_v the_o sole_a true_a save_a religion_n but_o deny_v notwithstanding_o that_o it_o thereby_o follow_v that_o it_o be_v fallible_o certain_a rise_v a_o obligation_n to_o prove_v that_o it_o be_v also_o infallible_o certain_a and_o when_o one_o be_v once_o convince_v of_o this_o also_o but_o yet_o doubt_n whether_o this_o infallibility_n be_v divine_a and_o so_o the_o high_a of_o all_o infallibility_n there_o will_v be_v also_o a_o obligation_n to_o show_v to_o such_o as_o be_v bring_v on_o so_o far_o the_o most_o high_a divine_a infallibility_n of_o the_o roman_a religion_n hence_o therefore_o i_o demand_v whether_o our_o late_a protestant_n and_o socinian_o proceed_v not_o preposterous_o and_o unreasonable_o in_o press_v roman_a doctor_n to_o demonstrate_v the_o divine_a infallibility_n of_o the_o truth_n of_o the_o roman_a religion_n before_o they_o themselves_o grant_v that_o it_o be_v either_o infallible_a in_o any_o degree_n or_o moral_o certain_a or_o probable_a or_o prudential_a for_o though_o it_o be_v necessary_a to_o prove_v all_o these_o particular_n in_o their_o due_a circumstance_n yet_o there_o be_v no_o necessity_n to_o prove_v they_o all_o at_o once_o to_o every_o adversary_n but_o by_o degree_n the_o one_o in_o order_n after_o the_o other_o with_o correspondence_n to_o what_o of_o they_o be_v deny_v or_o call_v in_o question_n by_o those_o with_o who_o we_o treat_v for_o thus_o we_o proceed_v orderly_o and_o logical_o à_fw-la notioribus_fw-la ad_fw-la ignotiora_fw-la and_o hold_v a_o correspondence_n with_o nature_n by_o proceed_v ab_fw-la imperfectionibus_fw-la ad_fw-la perfectiora_fw-la still_o observe_v the_o stop_n or_o progress_n of_o our_o adversary_n and_o still_o stop_v and_o go_v forward_o along_o with_o he_o and_o if_o this_o method_n have_v be_v strict_o hold_v by_o our_o late_a controvertist_n the_o adversary_n mouth_n have_v be_v stop_v long_o before_o this_o quest_n 36._o see_v these_o demand_n be_v propose_v to_o such_o as_o believe_v that_o without_o true_a christian_a faith_n no_o man_n can_v be_v save_v and_o that_o this_o save_a faith_n be_v one_o only_o and_o that_o this_o only_a faith_n be_v infallible_a and_o divine_a and_o moreover_o see_v it_o be_v already_o show_v that_o every_o difference_n in_o any_o point_n of_o faith_n whatsoever_o make_v a_o different_a faith_n and_o religion_n and_o that_o among_o all_o the_o different_a religion_n and_o belief_n now_o on_o foot_n in_o these_o part_n of_o christendom_n there_o be_v none_o that_o can_v be_v prudent_o embrace_v by_o such_o as_o be_v in_o the_o number_n of_o the_o unlearned_a and_o yet_o be_v sufficient_o inform_v about_o the_o force_n of_o the_o authority_n of_o those_o who_o teach_v they_o save_o the_o roman_a and_o that_o no_o religion_n can_v be_v true_a which_o can_v be_v prudent_o embrace_v by_o such_o unlearned_a person_n see_v in_o a_o manner_n the_o whole_a multitude_n of_o christian_n consist_v of_o those_o who_o be_v unlearned_a and_o must_v according_a to_o prudence_n follow_v the_o authority_n or_o their_o teacher_n those_o thing_n i_o say_v consider_v it_o be_v final_o demand_v whether_o by_o prove_v that_o the_o roman_a faith_n only_o can_v be_v prudent_o embrace_v which_o be_v already_o do_v it_o be_v not_o make_v inevitable_o clear_a that_o the_o roman_a only_o be_v that_o divine_a infallible_a one_o true_a faith_n wherein_o christian_n may_v be_v save_v finis_fw-la 1_o bishop_n of_o canterbury_n in_o his_o relation_n of_o the_o conference_n etc._n etc._n §._o 35._o pag._n 280._o 2_o b._n of_o cant._n in_o fore-cited_a place_n 1_o bish._n cant._n p._n 129._o num_fw-la 3._o b._n of_o cant._n above_o cite_v 181._o b._n of_o cant._n p._n 283._o