Selected quad for the lemma: authority_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
authority_n	apostle_n	church_n	tradition_n	3,170	5	9.1818	5	false

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A71074	A second letter to Mr. G. in answer to two letters lately published concerning the conference at the D. of P.	Stillingfleet, Edward, 1635-1699.; Godden, Thomas, 1624-1688.	1687 (1687)	Wing S5635; ESTC R14280	27,300	46

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