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confession_n of_o all_o sin_n to_o be_v necessary_a in_o order_n to_o remission_n and_o absolution_n by_o the_o priest_n sess._n 14._o c._n 6_o 7_o 8._o speak_v of_o no_o other_o confession_n than_o what_o be_v require_v in_o order_n to_o the_o reconciliation_n of_o those_o who_o have_v undergo_v public_a penance_n the_o custom_n whereof_o at_o rome_n be_v set_v down_o in_o golasius_fw-la his_o sacramentary_a p._n 63._o and_o gregory_n refer_v to_o the_o custom_n then_o use_v in_o his_o sacramentary_a p._n 225._o and_o there_o be_v no_o form_n of_o absolution_n in_o either_o of_o they_o but_o by_o way_n of_o prayer_n to_o god_n which_o be_v different_a from_o a_o sacramental_a judicial_a absolution_n require_v by_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n  _fw-fr he_n make_v no_o absolution_n true_a but_o that_o which_o follow_v the_o judgement_n of_o god_n which_o he_o parallel_v with_o the_o lose_n of_o lazarus_n after_o christ_n have_v raise_v he_o from_o the_o grave_a hom._n 26._o in_o 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