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A19569 A triall of our church-forsakers. Or A meditation tending to still the passions of unquiet Brownists, upon Heb.10.25 Wherein is iustified, against them, that the blessed Church of England 1 Is a true Church. 2 Hath a true ministry. 3 Hath a true worship. By Robert Abbot ... Abbot, Robert, 1588?-1662? 1639 (1639) STC 60; ESTC S100380 140,135 286

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of substance and in matters of circumstance In matters of substance it hath power to governe it selfe by ordering concerning the Word Sacraments and Prayer so as to make them most comfortable concerning Church Offices from time to time and duties of charity concerning the Churches censures publike assemblies and oversight that all these bee done to the honour of Christ and advancement of religion In matters of Circumstances it hath power to ordaine some outward rites and ceremonies for the outward carriage of Gods worship In the Church of Antioch there was a question a-about Circumcision an uselesse because dying ceremony then The Apostles Elders and brethren at Ierusalem by their consent and to encourage them in grace consulted about it and delivered their judgement as a rule for the Church to follow They disanulled the ceremony of Circumcision in those Churches troubled and establish others for a time as abstaining from meate offered to Idoles and bloud which yet in themselves were but things indifferent For meate commendeth us not to God for neither if we eate are we the better neither if we eate not are wee the worse Againe in the Church of Corinth there was a custome which grew to a publicke order in the Church of covering and uncovering to signifie the headship and soveraignty of the man and the subjection of the woman This was countenanced by the Apostle for the peace of the Church and other otders established Yea when he purposely treateth of acts of ordinary and extraordinary worship hee gives them rules for the government and outward carriage of them let all things bee done to edyfyng and let all things be done decently and in order Thus in matters of substance hath Christ made his Church able to governe it selfe by particular rules and in matters of circumstance by generall rules of edification order and decency Secondly he hath also made Kings prime officers to advance this governement in their places That hee hath made them Church-officers must be thus taken up Not strictly as Ministers who have the highest hand under Christ in the Word Sacraments and keyes of censures Ecclesiasticall but largely as those that are to care for good order about them The offices of ruling and governing which Paul speakes of cannot be proved not to belong to them They are Ministers for our good and our good is not chiefely civil I hope but spirituall The Apostle would have us pray for them that we may not onely live in civill honesty but in Godlinesse to bee countenanced and established by them Surely being members of Church they cannot but be chiefe ones too as being Christs Lieftenants who according to his promise are to bee nursing fathers and their queenes nurcing mothers who have their authority breasts and duggs to reach the neede of all under them to cherish and feede the Church of Christ according to his rules It is true they are servants to the Church and all good Kings doe so acknowledge themselves but not to be equals or subjects to the members of the Church but to make their prime authority serviceable to the advancement of the Gospel for the salvation of Christs people Hence is it that God hath given them a sword that when they oversee the waies of the Church within their reach they may maintaine the rights of it and by a coactive and coercive power suppresse the opposites for without this they cannot be the ministers of God for our good But say the Brownists wherein stands this office of Kings in the Church and over the members of it I answer first in calling of assemblies both civill and sacred The two silver Trumpets wer given to Moses the magistrate and least we should looke upon him as some extraordinary person we see that right maintained by Ioshua David Solomon Iehoshaphat Hezekiah and Iosiah Secondly in abolishing false worship and establishing true as we see in Asa Iosiah Hezikiah Thirdly in looking to the ministry both that it bee sound and good as Solomon who thereupon deposed Abiathar and put Sadock in his roome as hee performed other acts of justice by royall authority and Iehosaphat who sent his princes to see that the Priests and Levites did teach the law of God in their cities and that the ministery bee maintained according to the honours that God hath bestowed upon them as Solomon Hezekiah Iosiah and Nehemiah Fourthly in causing the people to serve the Lord as Hezekiah and compelling all that were round in Israel formerly professing Gods religion to seeke the Lord as Iosiah and Asa Their people were in the house of God committed to their charge and they will see them to live according to the order set by God Lastly in appointing consistories for the well ordering of the people as Iehoshaphat who set over the Levites and Priests and chiefe of the families of Israel for the judgement and cause of the Lord at Ierusalem All this is true say they of the Jewish kings who were types of Christ but wee reade of no such officers in the new testament These men are liberall in making types of Christs kingdome but I wonder whence they will prove it what word of Christ will they bring for it It is true that in some things some of the kings of Iudah were types of Christ as Salomon in his name and building the the temple and David in his troubles and victories and as hee was a king and a prophet but that all the kings of Iudah were types in their governements over the church and state even Saul himselfe when God made him head of the tribes cannot bee proved for Gods truth And whereas they talke of no such officers in the new testament Say it bee so there were no christian Magistrates while those scriptures were in writing and Christ knew them to be sufficiently instructed in the old This is a sure rule that what is warranted in the old testament and not contradicted in the old or new may as the warrant goes either by precept for things necessary or paterne for things lawfull goe for currant still But seeing the new testament saith that wee must pray for kings that by their authority wee may live in godlinesse as by those that are over us for our good spirituall and temporall surely they have warrant enough to use their power over all their people to advance godlinesse and the good of religion as well as justice But say they it is for Christ not for kings to appoint orders about his worship This is true for substantiall orders for these thas are in the will of Christ may not be altered but for matters of circumstance which concerne time place and outward forme not determined kings are bound as supreame members of the church over which they are to use christian consistories to order them so as may agree to the condition of
sinne and to hold our peace ill doth leave a man in sinne By example when we live wickedly in the sight of others For though haply the sinnes that wee practise bee not imitated of all yet because wee have done what in us lies to set others a copy which some will too greedily follow therfore are we guilty we may be guilty againe of the sins of others in and after the sin is committed when men doe excuse or defend the sinnes or flatter men in them Woe to them that speake good of evil and evil of good He that saith to the wicked thou art righteous him shall the people curse as him that is guilty Lastly wee may bee said to consent to sinne in things lawfull by scandall when men use their liberty which God hath given them in things indifferent left in their owne power to doe or not to doe to the wilfull offence and snare of others that are weake Of this Paul speakes doctrinally it is good neither to eate flesh nor drink-wine nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth and in his owne example if meate offend my brother I will eate no flesh while the world lasteth so carefull was hee not to have communion in the sinnes of others Now let us see whether we are polluted by the sinnes of the wicked by consent Because they consent with us in doing of our good doe wee therefore consent with them in doing their evill Their courses are daily reproved both publickely and privately they are judged as such whose examples wee would not follow for a world They are neither commanded to doe as they doe nor winked at when lawfully tried wee doe not provoke counsel or approve their cursed hypocrisies They have no such examples from us and have beene so long instructed both by publicke instruments and preachings and private conferences that their scandals are taken and not given in those things free in themselves but not to us by the command of lawfull authority whereat they will still take offence How are we yet guilty of the sinnes of others to our pollution O say they every congregation hath power in its owne hand to redresse things amisse to repell wicked livers from our communions whereas wee wait upon our king when wee should doe it without him and so are guilty of al the wickednesse of our assemblies The vanity of this I have shewed in part before and shall doe it more in the next section yet in the meane time first wee confesse that wee have power to redresse disorders not in every particular church for then no man under the Gospel could perish in the gainesaying of Corah as Saint Iude saith they may Superiority was the cause of his mutiny because he might not be equal to Aaron but in every diocesse where wee are governed not by the lawes of one man but of Synods of Bishops and Presbyters and if persons that should be as the house of Cloe to informe and that upon oath of things amisse were not more to be blamed then offices we might be as happy as any church under heaven The impetuous carriage of some who despise dominions and speake evill of dignities and that without feare and thinke it as easie to governe multitudes as an handfull makes them think otherwise but if things bee weighed by the rule of the word wisedome and charity it will bee found I am sure that wee have power indeed But secondly whereas they make us guilty of the wickednesse of our assemblies by waiting upon the pleasure of our king and not reforming without him herein wee joy yea and will rejoyce againe wee waite not upon kings and princes to bee Christians and to serve God faithfully by the acts of true Faith Hope and Charity If all the kings and Emperors in the world say against it wee must and by grace will doe it Yea if all the stormes in the world bee raised we must strive unto bloud but with teares prayers patience in suffering not with armes and violence This we doe by private profession but when it comes to a publicke reformation of Christian Churches already planted it is our glory to waite upon Christian kings whose subjects we are that wee will not governe but under him nor build walls for the citizens of the saints but under the defence of their swords especially considering that wee know wee cannot without them mend our hands When wee looke to the daies of Asa Iehoshaphat Hezekiah and Iosiah wee finde that no Israelite ever took upon him to reforme either without before or against them When the Temple of Ierusalem lay waste Zorababel and Ioshuah did nothing without Cyrus nor did Nehemiah any thing without Artashashte Indeed in their times God knowing the time was come when according to prophecie he was to looke upon the desolations of Ierusalem and restore it prepared and whetted the hearts of the people of the Iewes by Haggai and Zechariah but they built nothing but by the leave of their Kings and when countermands came they laid downe their tooles and the worke of the house of God ceased so good subjects they would bee notwithstanding the height of their Religion But say they they should have done otherwise For Haggai reproves them for letting the house of God lye waste and God sends a famine upon them This is true they were too blame when they minded their owne houses more and took not their seasons allowed them for this great worke But that either the Prophet threatned or God punished them for not building when they were under the Interdict that let them prove and they shall have more said How unhappy are they we now see while they make our assemblies polluted for not doing that if we wanted it as we doe not which is unlawfull for us to doe without lawfull authority The Apostles indeed planted Churches without waiting upon Heathen Kings but they had Apostolicall authoritie were to do according to Christs commission to them which was out of date in their death but we cannot reforme without or against Christian Kings if we could yet make a better reformation except they can shew a new Commission under Christs owne hand If therefor wee have faults we cannot help and provided we consent not we are not polluted The second conclusion is this That God declares it to be a sinne for the godly to leave the worship of God for the wickednesse of those that come unto it We know that the sinne of the sonnes of Ely was so great that men abhorred the offerings of the Lord but in so doing it is said that the Lords people did transgresse even unto a cry Surely this truth will not easily bee outfaced yet some of them to avoid it say that no marvell if morall wickednesse did not pollute the Iewish worship because God required onely ceremoniall cleannesse then But how false this
they must separate from a Church corrupted for want of I governement Yes say they that they must when governement is naught practise is answerable and better of either cannot be had I wonder what they would have done if they had lived in the times of the Judges when every man did what hee listed or in our blessed Saviours time when so many schismaticks and sectaries had rule and governement or in the Apostles time when Diotrephes used such tyrannical pride and usurped such authority that hee would not receive the very Apostles would they have separated I am sure that neither Israel nor Christ nor his Apostles did so Iohn did onely write to the Church about it And are these wiser then they No say they wee doe it not out of an opinion of our owne wisedome but out of conscience and for the glory of God and for Sions sake But take they heed every one that pretends to make the word of Christ his rule hath not these ends before him as he ought Gentilis that impious blasphemer of the Trinity when he was called to answer said that hee was drawne to maintaine his cause from touch of conscience and when hee was to dye that hee did suffer for the glory of the most high God And Paul when he was yet a Pharisee lived in all good conscience when naturall wisedome was his interpreter of Gods word Even so may it be with them O no they are sure of their hand they are taught of God and they must separate from such a wicked governmēt as ours is for conscience sake Why what is the matter let us in the feare of God heare the worst that wee may mend or bee obstinate I never heard but three things pleaded against our governement by them 1 The power of true government 2 The persons of our governours 3 And their exercise of our government We wil heare them in all to the last word and our good God give us understanding in all things for peace and salvation The power of true Church government say the Brownists is in the whole Church and in every particular member in body and not onely in the prime members onely In this they doe not onely fight against us but against al the Presbyteries in the world and so they pull more adversaries upon them then they will be able to withstand In this they beate downe at one blow that which hath exercised the wits of thousands without satisfaction to millions of consciences Yea in this they joyne hands with Corah Dathan and Abiram who loved not the governement of the best because all the congregation is holy every one of them But against whomsoever they fight and with whomsoever they joyne surely say they true Church government is in the whole congregation It is true that if wee consider the Church as a compleat body under Christ the head then the power of Church government is in the whole Church As the animal body is said to see to goe to worke to speake originally though subjectively and formally it is the eye sees the foot goes the hand works and the tongue speaks But that the whole body of Christ the Church catholike or particular for her part should have this power so as to have power to exercise it formally cannot bee made good from the word of Christ Before the Law Church government lay upon Adam Noah Abraham and the rest of the Patriarchs Vnder the Law it lay upon Moses and Aaron though to Moses was added by Iethroes advise seventy Elders not by Gods immediate direction though after they were approved by him Vnder the Gospel the gifts of power and government was bestowed upon some not upon all and the people never attempted any thing without the Apostles leave assistance and direction The Apostles ordained Elders and not the people without them The Apostles called for the Elders and conferred with them without the people The Elders did consult with Iames and Paul without asking the votes of the people and did a matter of weight for the peace of the Church from their owne judgements Yea and when the whole Church was with the Apostles and Elders in counsell these are preferred before them as their superiours who had their consent of love and charity but not of authority Therefore the people were not reproved for the disorders of the Church and Common-wealth but the Princes and the Priests according to which generall course we must understand those few particulars wherein blame seemes to bee layed upon the body of the people also For the people are still commanded subjection and submission to governours ecclesiasticall and temporall and are still called by the names of sheepe brethren saints houshold spouse children and the like whereas their governours are called Bishops Overseers Elders Presbyters Angels Fathers as termes of superiority It is true they are also called a royall Priesthood and Kings but not in regard of externall power of government in the Church but of internall power of saving grace to rule over their own corruptions that sin may not raigne in their mortall bodies which if they would exercise as they ought these quarrels might soone cease Noe say the Brownists these quarrels must not cease so long as we find in Scriptures the peoples power of government in the Church maintained For they instance in two high parts of government excommunication and absolution and they find the peoples power in both For Christ saith If thy brother trespasse against thee and he will not heare thee or more with thee Goe tell the church that is say they the whole congregation and as hee doth heare or neglect that let him be to thee either bound or loosed by excommunication or absolution Hence they argue thus Church is taken for every particular congregation where Christians live before this in body the delinquent that is obstinate must bee convented bee it lesse or greater and it hath a power in governement even in these things of highest nature therefore the power of government is in the people as well as deeply as in others Heere is their impregnable hold as they thinke and therefore they come upon us thus roundly Christ hath charged his Apostles and their true successours that they should teach all nations to observe all things whatsoever hee hath commanded them but you that are the ministers of the Church of England doe not teach us to observe all things for Christ hath commanded a forme of governement wherein all members should have publicke cognizance of offences for the advancement of the kingdome of Christ and you suffer him to be dishonoured and us to bee robbed of our rights and therfore ye are not the ministers of Christ neither is your Church a true Church of Christ Thus so farre as I can gather from them and conceive I have given them
so gracel●sse as to neglect thee and them too then lastly deale with him heathenishly by Romane soveraignety to which now you are subject but thinke him to bee as an Heathen and Publican deale with him accordingly The law is good if it bee used lawfully let Caesars justice end the difference betwixt you It is true the Apostle saith that Brother must not dare to goe to law with brother and that before unbelievers yet I hope even then when the Iewes Pauls brethren wronged him and the saints could not right him hee appealed unto Caesar Therefore ye must put a difference betwixt the christian Corinthians after the death of Christ and the christian Iewes before the death of Christ These had no Church government setled but that of the Iewes which by Romane authority was neglected and slighted but the Corinthians had For Christ never medled to settle any other Church government during life but the Iewish which was to bee of force til after his death but then he sent his Spirit to direct his Apostles in all necessaries The Iewes were Christians but in working for the best of them even the Apostles were dreggish in faith and life In faith about the death and resurrection of Christ and about a temporall Kingdome doted upon In life when they too full of revenge in drawing the sword as Peter or for calling down fire frō heaven upon the Samaritans But the Corinthians were more perfectly instructed in the mysteries of faith and charity and therefore their brawles would bee more scandalous having such wise Saints among them who shall judge the world Lastly the Apostle findes not fault with the Corinthians for going to law absolutely one with another before infidels for even Heathen Kings and all that are in authority are to be prayed for that Christians may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godlinesse and honesty And this they cannot doe except their Thrones minister justice in mine and thine It is lawfull therefore when raking and politicke Christians doe bite and devoure one another doe serve their owne bellies and by good words and faire speaches doe deceive the hearts of the simple and defraud one another in bargaining to appeale to the minister of justice For all power is of God and the very Heathen Magistrate doth not beare the sword in vaine But he findes fault with them that they set too great a price upon the things of this life that they were too contentious about them that they went to law before Heathens to the scandall of Christianity and that they appealed to forraigne judgement when they might have remedy by wise Saints neerer hand which the Jewes could not have when their Elders by Romane liberty were contemned Now if they doubt whether this sense may bee admitted I shall by Gods helpe cleare it from the Text and maintaine it from exceptions that may arise thence First therefore consider that Peter understood this discourse of private offences onely therefore when Christ hath done hee saith Lord how oft shall my brother sin against me Against me saith Peter intimating a private trespasse Secondly consider Christs answer to Peter in a Parable where he concludes thus So shall my heavenly Father doe to you if yee from your hearts forgive not every one his brother his trespasses where hee still speakes of private trespasses Thirdly consider the propriety of speech in the words of Christ If thy brother saith Christ that is a Jew for no Jew nor Disciple then called any other man brother but a Iew. If thy brother sin against thee therefore the offence is still private and personall Lastly consider that Christ sends the offender from the Church neglected to the plaintiffes censure and punishment to be sought He doth not say let him be to the Church as an heathen and Publican that is excommunicate for Heathens were not excommunicated for what have we to doe to judge those that are without no nor Publicans neither for we reade onely that Christ wrought Zacheus to restore where he wronged but we read not that he left his office And when the Publicans came to Iohn Baptist hee did not bid them leave their places but exact no more than that which is appointed you but saith Christ let him bee to thee because hee hath despised the Church which is the highest tribunall under Caesar hee is in thy hand to take Caesars course with him But say they then how will you maintaine this sense from just exceptiōs We had need indeed for we are persecuted from this Text by two sorts of persons The Papists say that here Christ refers us to the Christian Church the Pope out of his chaire to end all controversies But what have Christians to doe here if it was the comfort or a Iew against a Iew in private offences The Brownists say that here is a Rule for every private Congregation like themselves to claime a sufficisufficient power by to advance Christs kingdome And it can be no other say they for the word church cannot bee taken for the Iewish Sanhedrim it is a christian word proper to congregations of saints Nay that word in Gods language is used for any assembly The assembly was confused it shall hee determined in a lawfull assembly yee cannot give an account of this concourse therefore hee dissolued the assembly saith the holy Ghost of a wicked uproare and in all three places the word church is used Why then may not the grave assembly of the seventy elders be called a church Yea but they say heere is mention made of binding and loosing which are proper to church censures It is true that for their affinity in sound they have beene often applyed so at least by way of allusion But we read of a threefold binding in the new testament Divine Ministeriall and Fraternal Divine when God at last doth justly give over to everlasting obduration and restraint those that are cast into hell so the devils a●e reserved in everlasting chaines and God saith of final contemners of grace binde him hand and foot cast him into utter darkenesse Ministerial when the preachers of the Gospell binde over obstinate sinners to wrath either morally by way of denunciation only or Ecclesiastically by way of processe This Christ promised to the disciples in the name of Peter and performed to all his disciples yea and this is most fearefull when the bond is laid right because they doe it by commission from God as Gods Ambassadours yet is it soluble to true penitents Fraternall and brotherly binding when one man bindes another for private offences obstinately stood in and of that doth Christ speake in this place If ye have won him by a loving conviction ye loose him of his guilt to you If hee will live in his uncharitablenesse ye binde him by your seeking peace for hee that will not be
reconciled from the heart God will not be reconciled unto him hee shall into the prison till he hath paid the utmost farthing But it may be said how shall I be assured that upon my brothers submission and mine and my witnesses acceptance that his bond of guilt shall be loosed by God From Christs promise that if two shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall aske it shall b● done for them to their brethren of my Father which is in Heaven Thus Saint Basil of old If two shall aske by consent it shall be done what this meaneth the processe of the place shewes saith he for immediately before Christ speaketh of him that reproveth his brother and him that is reproved and If he that be reproved be grieved for his fault and be joyned with the reprover in the same minde the pardon which is asked shall be granted from our most gracious God This I alledge as I could in this cause many other not because they like it but because they may know that this sense is not a new one of my owne I know that they runne a new and uncharitable way for when they reade that Christ promiseth not doing for them that aske except they agree on earth they peremptorily conclude that they ought not to pray with them that doe not consent with them in their opinions Therefore would they neither pray with me nor suffer me to pray with them to our good God to lead us us into the way of truth nor will they pray with their owne wives and children though never so pious if they doe not meet in the same center of conceits Yea but say they all the Text before must be understood of publike Church scandals because of Christs promise Where two or three be gathered together in my name there am I in the midst of them which is ever applyed to publike meetings It is true it is so applyed and so may and must For it holds strongly that i● Christ be present with private persons who agree in building up one another in charity much more is he present in publike conventions where faith climbes hope rootes charity flames and zeale burnes up corruption when they are well used But yet this proves not but that here Christ may treate of private scandals as the whole context shewes and may incourage brotherly prayers one for another in peace because Christ is present with them But all this is but a flash to them yet for this text must needes bee a rule of their perfect discipline in the body of their members because the Apostle blames the whole church of Corinth for not casting out of the incestuous person That this is no perfect rule of discipline may appeare to any man that will consider that heere is no direction to proceed against sins against God or others but onely against thee thee Heere is no excommunication ordained for it is not said put him out from among you but let him bee to thee for seeking further remedy Lastly heere is no determining power given to the church for the party offended is principall to admonish tell fine The church is not to excommunicate but to turne the offender over to the offended party let him be to thee not to us yea the church is not to call him by summons but to expect the plaintiffes comming and moreover if heere were a perfect rule it might fall out that two or three men yea women pretending to bee gathered in Christs name might cast out whole congregations for not consenting unto them And for that place to the Corinths where Saint Paul is charged to countenance this their new parish discipline because hee blamed the Corinthians that the incestuous person was not cast out I answer hee might have had just cause to blame them if hee had committed any such thing to their trust by devolving his authority to them but that hee did not yet put over his authority to them in body appeares divers waies First though the power of governement in respect of use belong to the whole church for benefit that where the fact is notorious the law might be notorious too so as the whole church may bee witnesse of the doome when they are gathered together yet in regard of the possession for managing of it it belongs onely to the Pastors and chiefe Bishops For when Christ made that promise of binding and loosing to his disciples hee did not make it to them as Apostles properly for it is no such personall priviledge as not to descend It is needefull for the church in all ages therefore not tyed to any Neither did he make it unto them as the body of christians for when hee made good his promise hee tells us that hee sent and inspired them and after both these gave this commission of binding and loosing but hee sent not all nor inspired all as he signified by breathing upon the Apostles But he did it to them as pastors and chiefe Bishops and so to men of office for the use and comfort of the church for ever And terrour of ungodly men Secondly the persons to whom this authority of perpetuall governement of the church in ecclesiasticall way was committed were the chief Pastours as Bishops were anciently called therefore if Paul had fixed the blame in that particular upon any it would have been upon the Angel and chiefe overseer of that church For Paul and Christ are not of a severall spirit and judgement in church-discipline Thirdly if therefore Paul blame any for this it is under the whole church those that by office were to redresse these outrages and to see to the holinesse charity and comelinesse of that church But lastly if wee looke into the words more narrowly wee shall finde the true fault that hee blamed the church of Corinth for They had a common fame of such a wickednesse committed amongst them that the Gentiles by the light of nature did abhorre Paul having as yet supreame power ecclesiasticall under Christ in his owne hand and for ought we know not having setled a Bishop in highest church governement as in Ephesus Creta Asia did expect from them woefull complaints of this disorder that hee might have directed thē accordingly for the taking of it away from among them with the author of it But they were so farre from this that they were puffed up with their owne gifts and lamented not that wickednesse that raigned among them that by d●e course it might bee removed This therefore is that which the Apostle blameth in the Corinthians Therefore that hee may shew them that they are not so much to admire themselves as to take off their eyes from the great faults committed against them and that they are to lament and doe their best that such wicked persons might be taken away from among them and not thrust out in a crowd the Apostle doth three things
of the church requires to excommunicate and receive in and to order all things in their assemblies for the advancement of Christs kingdome without the leave or restraint of any Fourthly it must assemble for acts of governement and solemne worship without which it is but a shadow that is it must meete in their meeting places to pray preach prophecy baptize and communicate as the spirit gives wisedome and utterance Now because they finde not our churches thus made up according to their owne fansies therefore doe they forsake them as false or at the least no true churches This is their new way of churching and unchurching of assemblies so farre as I can gather by their conferences and writings and they judge of our assemblies after this mould I hope they will not deny us to have assemblies or to be separate from Iewes Turkes Pagans Idolaters and wicked Belialists in communion for spirituall life by Christ that wee have authority and power for ordination excommunication absolution and order or that wee have assemblies for governement and solemne worship and for the rest of the frame it is but the issue of their owne braine and not of the law and rule of Christ For first whereas they would have no nationall churches but particular in dependent congregations they must confesse that the whole nation of Israel was but one church And though then they had but one Tabernacle yet when after they were divided into severall Synagogues did they not continue the only church of God were they not still reputed of God as one man though some were better and more worse It is true say they because they had but one high-priest a figure of Christ which was to vanish Nay rather because they were but one people and common-wealth professing the same religion and ruled by the same lawes both before they had one high-priest and after when by corruption they had two Neither was the high-priest in respect of governement a type of Christ for so was Melchizedech of whose order Christ was and not after the order of Aaron but in respect of his sacrifice and intercession for the whole people and his enterance alone into the holy of holies bearing the names of the twelve tribes and Christs governement belongs to his kingdome not to his priest-hood Besides must they not confesse that that one church of the nation of Jewes was governed by one law and one king one law for the substance of governement and one king to order both priests and people and that not as a type of Christ but as a king by royall authority as head of the tribes as I shal cleare hereafter Yea doe wee not reade of the church of Ephesus which was one house of God over which Timothy was the first angell and Bishop as it comes to us from oldest records to rule all Presbyters Deacons Widowes and people in their severall assemblies For how fond were it to thinke that all the Elders Deacons and believers that Paul gives him Jurisdiction over there should be of one assembly Especially seeing Titus his fellow-Bishop was left in Creta to ordeine elders and oversee them in every city according to the necessity of severall assemblies Secondly whereas they urge that a true church must be separate from all false waies it is true it must be thus in profession when they are plainely discovered by undoubted scriptures but that it must be actually thus or be unchurched is utterly false Israel was Gods people when the sonnes of Eli in communion with them were sonnes of Belial and knew not the Lord. Moses calls them Gods people even when they were not separated from Idolatry because he had no authority to cast them off before God himselfe had given a bill of divorce God by Esay calls the Jewes his children and people when they were so farre from being separated from rulers of Sodome rebellious Princes companions of theeves that they had such teachers as caused them to erre such women as were full of hellish pride such rich men as were cruell oppressours such inhabitants as the earth was defiled under them and such a face of the church as the faithfull city was become an harlot with their oakes and gardens of idolatrie ready to bring confusion Paul calls the Corinthians a church of God saints by calling when at that instant many in communion with them had debates envyings whisperings wraths strifes backbitings swellings tumults and had not repented of the uncleannesse fornication and lasciviousnesse which they had committed Read the epistles of Christ to the seven churches in Asia and yee shall finde much abominable wickednesse and yet they were crowned by Christ himselfe with the name of churches If the Brownists plead that these churches should have beene separated Indeed they should have better then they were and because they were not they after felt the heavie hand of God but that the good should have fallen out with God for the sinne of man and beene separated from the good things of God for the wickednesse of those that were in outward communion of christianity that we no where nor ever I am sure shall read Thirdly whereas they plead that every particular congregation hath sufficient power by generall vote of members in all causes ecclesiasticall I must wonder before answere what have the people all the members power of jurisdiction over all What new scripture hath ever Christ made for this confusion Surely we finde it not before the law for then power of governement lay upon Adam Noah Abraham Isaack Iacob Ioseph and their peeres Surely it was not under the law for then power of governement lay upon Moses and his assistants even by the advice of Iethro and upon Aaron to whom the people must assent The law was delivered to the priests and elders and they were charged to looke to the rest It is as sure also that it is not under the Gospel The people attempted nothing but by the liking leave and approbation of the Apostles The Apostles ordeined elders in every city for the people without them and conferred with the elders of the church for the good of their assemblies without the people yea and upon consultation did decre● a matter for the peace of the church without them when their gifts were at the height It is true that sometimes the people were acquainted with some great matter in counsell not because they had authority without which the Apostles and elders could doe nothing but to acqu●int them with reasons and to incourage them in their graces Thus Bishop Cyprian sometimes did and sometimes superiours do require the assent of inferiours for better peace and love And that the people had no authority in governing the church appeares by the commission of Christ to his Apostles and those that should succeed them goe yee saith Christ and teach and baptise
by authority i● the face of the Church who of conscience ought to consent and beare witnesse to the doome First the act of an Apostle Deliver such an one unto Satan it may be that he might have power over his body to torment him as appeares in the Stories of Ananias Sapphira Elimas Alexander Secondly the act of a Bishop put away from amongst you that wicked person that being suspended from the preservatives of his soule in the visible communion of Saints he might have a way to bring him to godly sorrow And thirdly the act of every godly Pastour to mourne that if any be called a brother and bee a fornicator or covetous or an Idolater or a rayler or a drunkard or an extortioner with such an one eate not that is be so farre from countenancing of him in his sinne that yee take him not into unnecessary familiarity Now how from hence can be picked a popular government of the Church God knoweth I cannot yet reach But yet say the Brownists you may reach thus much to confound you that if Paul would not have you eate with such wicked brothers much lesse would he have you to receive the Sacrament with them for he hath more care of his owne supper than of ours This is certaine that God hath a greater care of his own Supper than of ours and therefore though he be willing that all should come both good and bad yet if they come and stay bad and hee come to try them they shall bee bound hand and foot and cast into hell It is certaine also that wee must have a great care of the Supper of the Lord as we can in our places private persons by private communion of Saints Presbyters by publike preaching by Word and Doctrine and by private exhortations as they can and Church-Officers by presentments and punishments fit But it doth not therefore follow because wee may not eate with them that is converse familiarly and unnecessarily with them that therefor we may not eate the Lords Supper with the Saints because wicked persons are there Their wickednesse we countenance when we keepe company with them our goodnes they countenance when they come into publike communion with us we have no need of their eating with us they shew their need of their eating with us in the Sacrament when we have no power to keepe them backe Yet say they still wee have power to keepe them backe for Paul speaking of the incestuous person saith sufficient to such a man is this punishment which was inflicted of many therefore the whole Church had power and used it against him It is true it was inflicted by many assessors and consēters to his doom but not as prime executors of that doome The Apostle saith that the Saints shall judge the world by way of life witnesse consent and approbation yet is it not Christ that is the Judge of wicked and good So though this punishment was inflicted upon him by many by way of consent and approbation yet was it primely inflicted by Paul and his authority in those that declared it Thus have I satisfied my selfe if not others in this point concerning the power of governement which lies not in all the congregation for execution and prime officiating but in the chiefe governours who beare the place of Paul and the other Apostles SECT 13. Brownists exceptions against the persons governing in our Church and against the exercise of their governement PVt case that the power of governement were not in every particular congregation yet our governours are not to bee allowed yea to be banished the church say they They are farre from the sweete moderate spirit of Melancthon one of the blessed reformers who so the Pope of Rome himselfe would have admitted of the Gospel of Christ in truth would have permitted his superiority over Bishops by humane right for the peace and common tranquility of christians under him But nothing will serve these people but the damnation of the Pope and the shame and confusion of all Bishops one and the other And there are three things principally in them at which they except and against which they stumble 1 Their name 2 Their degree 3 Their jurisdiction Why say they should they appropriate to themselvs this name of Bishops which belongs to all other Pastours as well as to them There is good cause for there are two sorts of Bishops first ordinary Bishops such as were all the Elders of Ephesus These must not bee blinde watch-men for if they see not they cannot oversee They must not sleepe and bee secure they must have a great care to keepe safe those that are committed to them that the enemy come not and sowe tares Secondly there are extraordinary Bishops such as have precedence jurisdiction not onely over the flock but over the elders and presbyters which are called Angels such were Timothy and Titus the first ordained Bishops of the churches of Ephesus and Creta as appeares in the postscript of those epistles Which though haply they are no part of the canonicall scriptures yet are they authenticall records of matters of fact to help our understandings in the needfull stories of th●se times without which we may think amisse From these they justly assume those names which have beene given to men of their order ever since the Apostles dayes But put case they could not make such aclaime if there be the office shall we quarrell about the names The first man that ever found fault with the name would fame have been a Bishop himselfe but when he found himselfe crossed he comforted himself with this that yet as he was a Presbyter he was equall with them But let no good Christians be unquiet for names if there may bee an agreement in things named The Apostles were called Deacons in Gods language yea and Christ himselfe who came to that end Christ is called the Arch-bishop and the Apostle of our soules The Apostles are called Elders and Elders were called Apostles and Bishops are called Angels What matters it then for names if wee can agree in other things But say they wee doe not agree in other things for these Bishops are in a degree above Presbyters and so there is an unequall ministery in the Church of Christ which should not bee Now surely they have had this from the Apostles dayes yea the scripture mentioneth a superiority in the ministery of the Church first Apostles secondarily prophets thirdly teachers And this is a sure rule that such a ministery as is most like the ministerie ordained by Christ it not being denyed unto us expressely or by consequent and another commanded may be lawfully maintained by us as Christs ministery But such is an unequall ministery in degree as Prophets Apostles Evangelists Pastours and Doctours one above another in larger authority gifts for those that were called
immediately did excell those that were called by men And among those that were called by men where might bee a rising to an higher degree according as they profited in faith and godlinesse Therefore Paul saith that they that use the office of a Deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree Therefore may wee lawfully maintaine a superiority in the ministery of Christ now But it may be they would not stand so much upon this because for ought I can finde there is some inequality betwixt their pretended Pastors and Doctors but that there is a Iurisdiction in our Bishops not onely over the flock but over the compresbyters their brethren It is true there is so and that justly without which wee should have as many religions as parishes and for that I say this Such jurisdiction as is patterned or prescribed in the epistles to Timothy and Titus is worthily exercised in our church of Christ If it bee said that that jurisdiction was personal in them this takes away the comfort of doctrine in all the othe● epistles for it may be as well said that the rules of faith and doctrine in them are personall and belong to that age But as this cannot be said so nor that for those rules tended to the government of the house of God and were to be kept to the appearing of our Lord Iesus Christ Now that that jurisdiction patterned or prescribed in those epistles was episcopal appeareth thus Set aside matters matrimonial and testamentary which are the wise donation of princes for the conscionable ordering of such affaires and the jurisdiction of Bishops doth stand in two things principally First in ordination for the ordaining of ministers Titus was left in Crete to ordeine elders and the Apostle would have Timothy lay hands rashly on none that is ordaine But say they these ordeined not as Bishops but as Evangelists But this they must prove that they were Evangelists strictly so called Evangelists were immediately called so wa● not Timothy for according to his good report and the prophesies that went of him for his great use of the church hee was ordained by the laying on of the hands of the Presbytery Yea but say they that Paul bids him doe the worke of an Evangelist True but may they not as well prove Timothy to be an Apostle because hee did the worke of the Lord as Paul did know therefore that Evangelist may be taken three wayes for a penner of the Gospel by divine instinct so the Apostles were Evangelists For a preacher of the Gospel by divine instinct so they are accounted so properly And for a preacher of the Gospell by ordinary diligence and assistance and thus Timothy an Evangelist may be a Bishop to ordaine though not properly as a preacher yet as made a great overseer for that use But say the Brownists Bishops claime ordination to themselves alone so did not Timothy and Titus who did it with the eldership Whether these did it alwaies with the assistant presbyters is not yet proved there being no set law knowne to us then nor I doubt ever will Indeed for our Bishops they ordaine Deacons alone and so they may according to ancient custome and neither I nor they know any thing against it But for the ordination of Presbyters as it was in the primitive Church so our Lawes require that the Bishop should have his assistants the power of ordaining being in him and the liberty of approbation in these Secondly the jurisdiction of Bishops stands in redressing things amisse Titus was left in Creta to redresse things amisse not onely in the people but Presbyters Over Presbyters I say they had a power to command as Paul saith to Timothy I left thee at Ephesus that thou mightst charge some that they preach no other doctrine to judge therefore he saith against an Elder receive not an accusation under two or three witnesses which was a juridicall proceeding and to silence as occasion is offered for whose mouthes must be stopped saith Paul to Titus Which power if it be onely by verball conviction as every Minister of the New Testament is bound to doe as he is able and not by reall suspension as hee is over Presbyters the precept is altogether in vaine and idle For words doe but breed words and contentious spirits will never have an end But say they the Apostles would not suffer themselves to be silenced no more should wee If we cannot doe our office in publike we should doe it private This is true of the Apostles and they did well in it but there are two sorts of Preachers such as were immediately called who had their gifts and matter and calling immediately from Christ these none but Christ can silence they are his elect vessels as Paul to carry his Name And such as are immediately called who have their matter and gifts by reading and industry and their calling by and from the testimony of man Now because some mens sinnes goe before and some mens follow after they that gave power and testimony according to appearance may according to after appearance take testimony away from the unworthy except they could prove themselves Apostles But yet say they grant all this true yet are there divers exceptions against our Bishops what such as may justifie a separation Let us heare them Put case Timothy and Titus were Bishops yet were they not such as ours that is Diocesan Bishops what then were they parish Bishops I wish them read in Church stories of the best times without which they can never understand some passages of scriptures of the practise of the Church I am sure this they should finde that Timothy and Titus had some compasse of jurisdiction allotted wherein there were Churches at least according to cities wherein there were many presbyters to be overseene and ordered and what was this but a Diocesse which as the Church increased increased with it But these say they for all that had no princely authority and Lordly command over their brethren That is true neither is this absolutely necessary to the calling or of the essence of it yet doth it not overthrow it but adorne and strengthen it when it is well used If a Bishop were called a beggar it doth not overthrow his calling so neither if he be called a pallace who knowes not that that proceeded from the favour of our Princes that they might be Barons of the parliament to direct the conscience in deepe matters of state But say they this is against the word of God Be not Lords over Gods heritage saith Peter and saith Christ the Lords of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them and they that are great exercise authority over them but it shall not be so among you but whosoever wil be great among you let him be your minister and whosoever would be chiefe among you let him bee your
servant therefore neither the Apostles nor their successors must as Lords rule over the flocke of Christ or over one another Stay heere Christ affoords no such conclusion Hee is pleased to oppose not Kings and Bishops which are in excellent subordination either to other but Gentiles and Christians and he doth not abolish magistracy from Christianity for then his Apostles were ill schollars who taught that higher powers are ordained of God and that they must be obeyed by all under them neither would he abolish an inequality of ministery in the Church for hee himselfe I hope had superiority over his disciples ye cal me master and Lord and ye say well for so I am yea and hee himselfe made first Apostles secondly Prophets thirdly teachers which implies an order degree and subordination either to other neither doth hee heere forbid that his disciples should bee utterly excluded from dealing in any matter of right in the Common wealth for then they could easily have replied Lord wee desire not to meddle in secular affaires but to have superiority over one another in the Church But hee labours to prevent the wicked customes of heathen kings in Christian Common-wealthes and Churches that is their ruling by their owne lusts and wills and their ruling for their owne ends without respect to the peoples goods This is to play the Lords to domineere over the people as if they were their vassals and themselves had all Lordship paramount that could bee imagined Now can any man not soaked in malice or prejudice say that our Bishops rule thus like heathens with force and crueltie when they governe according to the lawes and Canons of Church and Common-wealth Is not this to rule with the consent of the people in the lawes of the Common-wealth and with the consent of the presbyterie in the Canons of the Church Yea but now for the exercise of this governement of the Church it is say the Brownists fearefully abused by the Bishops in three particulars 1 In shouldering out such officers in the Church as Christ hath ordained 2 In imposing oathes upon good men to accuse themselves 3 And in base usage of the high censure of excommunication Put case all these were true were this a sufficient cause of separation was Christ no master when his purse-bearer betrayed him and the rest of his servants runne away from him Is his ●eamelesse coate to bee rent in sunder because some of those about him have cast some spots upon it Because they may if they will accuse themselves will they therefore accuse Christ as if his bounty in our Church were not worth the injoyment Because one thing is not well used in the punishment of vice shall all things be neglected and spu●ned at that are amongst us for the maintenance of vertue yea shall the holy spirit of God assistant in the meanes of salvation amongst us be belyed as if all the grace they have gotten amongst us were no grace till they had discarded us as some of them doe But let us take a viewe of the particulars and see whether it be so or no and how far First they say that Bishops justle out Christs officers out of the Church And who are these They tell us first of Elders lay governing Elders who should have power in the censures of the church and all matters of order Indeed they had wont to tell us of these much But since Master Smith once of their Church hath pulled downe that tottering wall by proving that there can bee but one sort of Elders proved from the scripture that is Pastours whose governing duty is to feede the flocke of God and that the Apostle to Timothy doth not import a distribution of officers but commendation of severall workes in one office teaching that Elders are to be honoured for two workes well-ruling and laborious teaching as he proves by severall texts compared And since they weigh that a true Church may stand without them because otherwise the first Church of Christians from the death of Christ till these supposed Elders are ordained were not a true Church And especially since they have brought in their new parish discipline whereby all power of governement is in the whole congregation they are not backeward to confesse that a true Church may be without them and that they doe not much stand upon that exception against us as once a Pastour of that Church confessed to mee Therefore neede not I use more words about that But yet they claime their Doctours and Deacons which they say the Bishops have banished out of the Church Indeed wee reade of Doctors to teach the word of God and if in every congregation if maintenance were answerable there were one in whom were the word of knowledge and another in whom were the word of wisdome if these gifts meete not in one man wee would not mislike it But that this must be so as a distinct office and officer in the church this we deny For teaching and preaching may meete in the same officer whether Pastour of charge or Doctour of the chaire Christ went about teaching and preaching the Gospel Paul and Barnabas continued teaching and preaching Timothy must teach and preach And these the Apostle doth not make severall offices he disjoines them not but couples them together Pastors and teachers to signifie that though they bee divers gifts yet they may be and are often coupled in one man And for Deacons which is a name given to ministers and to Christ himselfe wee reade indeed of certaine men not called Deacons there whose worke was to minister to the necessity of the saints that the Apostles be not driven to leave the word of God and serve tables but have not we such who take care for the poore that the worke of the Lord by us be not hindred Are not our Church-wardens and overseers the same for substance of office if they would be also alwaies the same for conscience But say they wee have not the Deacons of Christ I am sure we have Deacons for the assistance of the worke of the ministery who serve it for a better degree if they perofrme it wisely But that Deacons should be such brethren who doe alwaies attend the businesse of the poore and not belong to ministeriall order is without ground mark their qualification which needed not for such a worke men full of the holy Ghost mark their ordination which was with imposition of hands a ceremony ministerial marke their practise Stephen preached and Philip preached and baptized too marke their description they must be proved and found fit and if they performe their office well they shall purchase to themselves a good degree to ascend higher to be Presbyters yea and to be Bishops also And are not our Deacons such were they not yet can wee not bee denied to be a true Church seeing after the