not vse this Forinsecall or courtly without the Princes commission M. Fekenham VVhereunto I do adioyne this obiection follovving First for the time of the olde lavve vvhiche as Paule saide vvas a very figure of the nevve Moses Aaron Eleazarus being Priestes they had by the expresse vvoorde of God this iurisdiction ouer the people of God as to sit in iudgement vppon them and that not onely in Ecclesiasticall but also in ▪ Politike and ciuill matters and causes they did visit them they did refourme them they did order correct and punish them so oft as cause required and vvithout all commission of any cyuill Magistrate gouernour King or Prince Besides that for the vvhole time of the old Lavve there vvas an expresse lavve made vvhereby all Cyuill magistrates and iudges vvere cōmaunded in all doubtfull matters to repayre to the Bishoppes and Priestes and to stay vppon their determinacions and iudgementes vvithout declinyng on the right hande or the left And if that any man should disobeye the determinacion once geuen of the Priest morietur homo ille like as appeareth Deut. 17. The B. of Wynchester This adiunct will not serue your turne for it is not possible to stretche it without burstinge to ioyne with that you must cōclude You beginne to ioyne your woorke togeather with a saying of S. Paule which he neuer said you should haue noted the place where S. Paule saithe that the olde Lawe was a very figure of the newe There is no suche saying S. Paule saith to the Hebrewes that the Lawe hath the shadowe of good thinges to come c. where he speaketh not generally of the whole Lawe but of the ceremoniall parte and sacrifices whiche were shadowes of Christe and his sacrifice and not of the Bishoppes Iurisdiction after Christ vnder the Law of the Ghospell Thus aptly also doo your allegations out of the olde Testament serue your purpose for one of the thrée to wit 29. of Exod. hath no woorde of this Iurisdiction onely it sheweth the manner of consecratinge the Priest and the ceremonies thereabout In the. 24. of Exod. it is saide that when Moses wente vp into the Mount he saide vnto the Elders Tary vs here vntill wee retourne vnto you Beholde Aaron and Hur are here with you if any man haue ought to doo let him come to them that is if any matter of controuersie arise in mine absence let Aaron Hur haue the hearinge and decidinge of it as I shoulde haue if I were present By this place Aaron had no authority geuen vnto him but for a time in the absence of Moses by commission from Moses the chiefe ruler and gouernour of Goddes people and that not alone but hauinge Hur one of the Elders an auncient and a wise man ioyned in commission with him This allegation maketh directly against your conclusion for it sheweth y t Aaron had this authority but by commission from Moses the Prince of the people In the thirde place Num. 27. where God shewed vnto Moses that Iosue shoulde gouerne the people after him it is saide that Iosue shoulde stande before Eleazar the Priest who shall aske Councell for him by the iudgement of Vrim before the Lord and at his woorde they shal goe out and in both he and the people of Israell that is whan Iosue standeth in doubte what to doo for the better gouernement of the people either in the time of peace or warre he shall vnderstande Goddes will therein by the high Priest to whome the Lorde will miraculously declare his will and pleasure by the light or shininge of the Vrim and Thumin and accordinge to Gods will shewed in the Vrim to the high Priest and by him to Iosue he muste direct and order his gooyng in and out Ergo say you The Bishoppes and Priestes now in the time of the Ghospell haue Iurisdiction by the expresse woorde of God to kéepe Courtes to cal Councels to make Lawes forinsecally to visit refourme order correct their flockes cures The most simple can iudge of this sequele After like sorte it is writen Deut. 17. That whan harde and doubtfull cases come before the iudges or inferiour Magistrates whiche cannot easely be tried or founde out by them than the inferiour Magistrates shall goo to the high Priest and to the chiefe iudge at Hierusalem for the time beinge who shall shewe what is to be doone whose sentence iudgement must not be disobeyed vnder the paine of death Doo you not aptly conclude thinke you that the Bishops in the time of the Ghospell ought to haue this Courtly iurisdiction bicause the high Priest and the Temporall iudge did determine doubtfull cases in y e time of the olde Testament for the Priest alone did not determine all causes as you séeme to alledge the texte M. Fekenham Seconde in the Nevve Testament like as our Sauiour Christe did committe and leaue the vvhole Spirituall gouernmente of his people and Churche vnto his Apostles and to the Bishoppes and Priestes and the successours of them So they did practise all Spirituall gouernement ouer them they did execute and geue iudgement in the Churche of Christe they did refourme order and correcte all disorder therein and that vvithout all commission ayde or authority of any Temporall Magistrate Kinge or Prince for the space of three hundreth yeeres in the prymatiue Churche of Christe vnto the time of Constantine he beynge the firste Christian Kinge and Emperour vvhiche did ioyne his svvoorde to the mayntenaunce of Goddes vvoorde The B. of Wynchester Like as the Apostles had in commission power from Christe our Sauiour to whom al power was geuen both in heauen and in earth so faithfully they executed the authoritie and charge cōmitted vnto them not seeking their owne honour by vsurpation but the glory of Christ by the abasing them seles euen vnto the death Their commission regestred by S. Mathew appeareth in these wordes Go and teache al the nations baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the sonne and of the holy ghost teaching thē to kepe all thinges whiche I haue commaunded you Howe faithfully they exercised this authoritie according to the commissiō S Luke sheweth in his Chronicle called the Actes of the Apostles and setteth foorth one notable example hereof in Paules oration made to the Elders of Ephesus called to Miletum He taketh them to witnesse that he kept nothinge back from them that might be for their profit but shewed them all the councell of God It is much maruaill that Paul shewed al Gods councel vnto them yet made no mention of any Forinsecall iurisdiction as geuen them by the commission of Gods worde The godly Bishops that succeded the Apostles for many yeres after followed the doctrine and examples of the Apostles yet neuer exercising iurisdiction Forinsecal neither iudging reforming ordering or correctinge otherwise than by preaching publikely or priuately without especiall consent and commission of their Churches during the time thei
had no ChristiaÌ„ Prince or Magistrate Constantinus as I haue saide was not the first Christian king But he was the very first Emperour as your owne writers doo witnesse that gaue Bishoppes authoritie to iudge and exercise iurisdictioÌ„ ouer their Clergie and that gaue to the Bishop of Rome power and authoritie ouer other Bishoppes as Iudges haue the king ouer them and that gaue to him power and iurisdiction ouer all other Churches if that Donacon be not forged whiche Gratian citeth And Petrus Bertrandus a Bishop a Cardinal and one of your best learned in the Canon and Ciuill lawes in his treatise De origine iurisdictionum affirmeth that Theodosius and Carolus Magnus did graunte vnto the Churche all iudgementes For the proufe whereof he auoucheth diuerse decrées and addeth That such grauÌ„tes were afterwardes abrogated M. Fekenham At the first councel holden at Hierusalem for the reformation of the controuersy that vvas than at Antioche touchinge CircumcisioÌ„ and the obseruation of Moses Lavve decree vvas made there by the Apostles and Priestes vnto the beleuers at Antioche that they shoulde absteine from these fovvre chiefe and necessary thinges viz ab immolatis simulachrorum à sanguine suffocato à fornicatione à quib custodientes vos bene agetis The vvhiche first councell vvas there assembled by the Apostles of Christ The Decrees and Lavves vvere made there by them The controuersy at Antioche vvas by them reformed ordered and corrected vvithout all commission of any temporal Magistrate King or Prince The B. of Wynchester God be thanked that S. Luke maketh to vs a sufficient report of this councell who maketh no mencion of any Priest there present as you vntruely report onles ye will thinke he meant the order of Priestes whan he named the faction of the Pharisées Whether the Apostles called this councell or not or that the Congregation being assembled together in their ordinary sort for praier preaching and breaking of bread Paulus and Barnabas with the others sent to Hierusalem did declare the cause of their message before the whole Churche which is more likely I will not determine bicause S. Luke maketh no mention thereof But if it be true that ye affirme that the Apostles called or assembled this Councell Then was it not the authoritie or Acte of one Apostle alone Besides this if the Apostles called this councell they called they Layte so wel as the Clergie to the councell yea as may séeme probable mo of the Laytie than of the Clergie The decrées were not made by the Apostles alone as you falsely feyne For S. Luke saith the decrée was made by the Apostles Elders and the whole Congregation The Apostles I graunt as was moste conuenient with the Elders had the debating arguing and discussing of the question in coÌ„trouersie They declared out of the holy Scriptures what was the truthe And I doubt not but they declared to the Church what they thought most conuenieÌ„t to be determined But the determination and decrée was by the common consent both of the Apostles Elders and people Therfore this controuersy was reformed ordered and corrected not by the authoritie of the Apostles alone without the Elders neither they togeaher did it without the assent of the Churche and so this allegation maketh no deale for your purpose but rather cleane against it M. Fekenham The Apostles also hearinge at Hierusalem that Samaria had reciued the vvoorde of God they did sende Peter and Iohn to visite them to confirme them in faythe and that they might receiue the holy ghost by the imposition of their hands Paule and Barnabas did agree betvvixt them selues to visite al those Cities and bretheren vvhiche they had conuerted to the faithe The vvoordes of the Scripture are these Dixit ad Barnabam Paulus reuertentes visitemus fratres per vniuersas Ciuitates in quibus praedicauimus verbum Domini quomodo se habeant In the vvhiche visitation the Apostle Paule Electo Sila per ambulabat Siriam Cilâ—â—iam confirmans Ecclesias praecipiens custodire praecepta Apostolorum seniorum By the vvhiche vvoordes it right vvell appeareth hovve the Apostles and Priestes at Hierusalem ouer and besides the Ghospell vvhiche they taught they did make certeine Decrees Lavves and ordinaunces the vvhiche the Apostle Paule in his visitation gaue commaundement to the Syrians and Silicians to obserue and keepe VVhat Lavves and orders did the Apostle make and appoint vnto the CorinthiaÌ„s that men should neither praie nor preache in the Churche vvith their heades couered VVhat reformation and order did he make and appoint vnto them for the more honourable receiuing of the Sacrament and that partly by vvriting and partly by vvoorde of mouthe saying Caetera cum Venero disponam and in his seconde Epistle to the Thessalonians he saith Fratres state tenete traditiones quas didicistis siue per fermonem siue per Epistolam nostram VVhat orders and Decrees did the Apostle Paule make touching praiyng and preaching vnto the people in tongues vnknovven and that al vvomen should keepe silence in the Churche and Congregation These and many suche other like Lavves orders and Decrees vvere made for the reformation of the people in the Churche of Christ by Christes Apostles by Bishops and priestes as the successours of them and that vvithout all commission of any Temporal Magistrate Emperour King or Prince Constantinus being the first Christian Emperour like as I haue saide The B. of Wynchester Your whole drifte in this parte is to proue that Bishoppes and Priestes may visite geue the holy Ghoste by the imposition of their handes and make lawes orders and decrees to their flockes and cures Your proufe consisteth in the example of the Apostles and this is your argument The Apostles visited gaue the holy Ghost and made Lawes orders and decrees vnto their flockes and cures Ergo Bishoppes and Priestes haue authoritie and may make Lawes visit geue the holy ghost to their flockes and cures The insufficiency of this consequent doth easely appeare to those that doo consider the state and condicion of the Apostleship and compare therwith the office of a Bishop or Priest The Apostles did might and could doo many thinges that Bishoppes and Priestes neither may nor can doo The matter is more plaine than that needeth any proufe But as the sequele faileth in forme so let vs consider the matter wherupon ye grounde the sequele that your friendes may see what foule shiftes ye are driuen to make for the maintenaunce of an vniust claime That the Apostles did visite their cures and flockes you proue by two places of the Actes in the first place ye feine the Scriptures to saie that it sayeth not for in the eight of the Actes there is no mencion made of any visitation the other place speaketh only of a Scripturely visitation and nothing at al of your Forinsecall or Canon Lawe visitation The Canon Lawes visitatioÌ„ is to be exercised by a great nomber of such persons
that dooth euill interpreting the mynd of the Apostle to bee that the authoritie and power of Prynces hath to deale in Ecclesiasticall causes so well as in Temporall And therefore sayth to Gaudentius and to you all Blotte out these saiynges of S. Paule 13. Rom. if you can or if you cannot then set naught by them as ye doo Reteyne a most wicked meaning of all these saiynges of the Apostle least you loose your freedome in iudging or elles truely for that as men yee are ashamed so to doo before men crie out if you dare Let murtherers be punished let adulteriers be punished let all other faultes be they neuer so heynous or full of mischiefe be punished by the Magistrate wee will that onely wicked faultes against Religion be exempt from punishment by the Lawes of Kinges or rulers c. Herken to the Apostle and thou shalte haue a great aduantage that the kingely power cannot hurt thee doo well and so shalt thou haue prayse of the same power c. That thinge that yee doo is not onely not good but it is a great euill to witte to cut in sundâ—e the vnity and peace of Christe to rebelle against the promises of the Ghospell and to beare the Christian armes or badges as in a ciuil warre against the true and highe Kinge of the Christianes Chrysostome sheweth this reason why S. Paule doth attribute this title of a minister woorthely vnto the Kinges or ciuill Magistrates bicause that thorough frayinge of the wicked men and commendinge the good he prepareth the mindes of many to be made more appliable to the doctrine of the woorde Eusebius alluding to the sentence of S. Paule where he calleth the ciuill Magistrate Goddes minister and vnderstanding that Ministery of the ciuill Magistrate to be about Religion Ecclesiasticall causes so well as Temporal doth call Constantine the Emperour The great light and moste shrill preacher or setter foorth of true godlines The one and onely God saith he hath appointed Constantine to be his mynister and the teacher of godlines to all countreis And this same ConstaÌ„tine like a faithfull and good mynister did thoroughly set forth this and he did confesse himselfe manifestly to be the seruauÌ„t and mynister of the high Kinge He preached with his imperiall decrees or proclamations his God euen to the boundes of the whole worlde Yea Constantine him selfe affirmeth as Eusebius reporteth That by his mynisterie he did put away and ouerthrowe al the euilles that pressed the worlde â–ª meaninge all superstition Idolatry false Religion In so muche saith this godly Emperour that there withal I bothe called againe mankinde taught by my mynisterie to the Religion of the most holy Lawe meanyng the woorde of God and also caused that the most blessed Faithe shoulde encrease and growe vnder a better gouernour meanyng than had beene before for saithe he I woulde not be vnthankefull to neglect namely the best mynistery whiche is the thankes Iowe vnto God of duety This most Christian Emperour did rightly consider as he had beene truely taught of the moste Christian Bishoppes of that time that as the Princes haue in chardge the mynistery and gouernment in all manner causes either Temporall or Spirituall Euen so the chiefest or best parte of their Seruice or Mynistery to consist in the well ordering of Churche matters and their diligent rule and care therein to be the most thankeful acceptable and duetifull Seruice that they can doo or owe vnto God For this cause also Nicephorus in his Preface before his Ecclesiasticall history doth compare Emanuel Paleologus the Emperour to Constantine for that he did so neerely imitate his duetifulnes in rulinge procuringe and refourminge Religion to the purenesse thereof Whiche amonge all vertues belonginge to an Emperour is moste seemely for the imperiall dignitie and dothe expresse it moste truely as Nicephorus saithe who maketh protestacion that he saithe nothinge in the commendacion of this Emperour for fauour or to flatter but as it was true in deede in him And so reherseth his noble vertues exercised in dischardge of his imperiall duetie towardes God in Churche matters sayinge to the Emperour who hath glorified God more and shewed more feruente zele towardes him in pure Religion without feyninge than thou haste doone who hath with suche feruent zeale sought after the moste syncere faithe muche endaungered or clensed againe the holy Table VVhen thou sawest our true Religion broughte into perill with newe deuises brought in by conterfaict and naughty doctrines thou diddest defende it most painefully and wisely Thou diddest shewe thy selfe to be the mighty supreme and very holy anchour and staie in so horrible waueringe and errour in diuine matters beginninge to fainte ard to peris he as it were with shipwracke Thou arte the guide of the profession of our Faithe Thou hast restored the Catholique and Vniuersall Church beinge troubled with newe matters or opinions to the olde state Thou haste banished from the Churche all vnlawfull and impure doctrine Thou hast clensed againe with the woorde of trueth the Temple from choppers and chaungers of the diuine doctrine and from hereticall deprauers thereof Thou haste beene sette on fier with a Godly zeale for the diuine Table Thou haste established the doctrine thou haste made Constitutions for the same Thou haste entrenched the trewe Religion with myghtie defenses That whiche was pulled downe thou haste made vp agayne and haste made the same whole and sounde againe with a conuenient knittinge togeather of all the partes and members to be shorte thou haste saithe Nicephorus to the Emperour establissed true Religion and godlines with spirituall butiresses namely the doctrine and rules of the auncient Fathers These and suche like Christian Emperours are not thus muche commended of the Ecclesiasticall wryters for their notable dooinges in the maintenaunce and furtheraunce of Religion as for dooinges not necessarily appertayninge to their office or callynge But for that they were examples spectacles and glasses for others wherein to beholde what they are bounde vnto by the woorde of God and what their subiectes may looke for at their handes as matter of chardge and duetie both to God and his people Whiche S. Paule doth plainely expresse where he exhorteth the Christians to make earnest and continuall prayer for kynges and all that are in authoritie to this ende and purpose that by their rule mynistrie and seruice not onely peace and tranquilitie but also godlines and Religion should be furthered and continued amongst men attributing the furtherance and continuaunce of Religion and godlynes to the Magistrates as an especial fruite and effect of their dutie and seruice to God and his people Chrysostome expounding this place of the Apostle doth interprete his meaning to be vnderstanded not onely of the outward peace tranquilitie furthered mainteined defended by the Magistrates but chiefly of the inward peace of the mynde and conscience whiche can not be atteyned without pure Religion as
the Emperour of his election In this Popes time saith the Pontificall came Constantinus the Emperour to Rome whom this Pope with his cleargie met sixe myles out of the Citie and did humbly receiue him It is wonderful to consider althoughe the Historians beyng Papistes for the most parte couer the mater so muche as may be what practises the Popes vsed to catche from the Emperours to them selues the superioritie in gouerninge of Churche matters When they sawe that by stowte and braue presumption theyr ambitious appetites coulde not be satisfyed they turned ouer an other leafe and coueringe their ambitious meaninge with a patched cloke of humilitie lowlinesse they wan muche of that whiche with pride and presumption they had so often before this time attempted in vaine With this wily lowlinesse Donus the nexte sauing one to Vitalianus brought vnder his obedience the Archebyshop of Rauenna There had been an olde and continuall dissension betwixt the Archebishop of Rome and the Archebishop of Rauenna for the superioritie The Rauennates accompting their sea equall in dignitie and to owe none obedience to the sea of Rome for they were not subiect thereunto To finishe this matter and to wynne the superioritie Donus first practised with Reparatus the Archebishop of Rauenna to giue ouer vnto hym the superioritie and become his obedientiary and that as it mays appeare by the sequele wythout the consente of hys Churche After the death of Reparatus whiche was within a whyle Theodorus a familiar friende to Agatho the Pope and a stoute man whome Agatho did honour with his Legacy vnto the syxth generall councell at Constantinople bicause his Clergie woulde not wayte on hym on Christmas daye so solempnely conductinge him vnto the Churche as the manner had been did giue ouer the title and made his sea subiecte to the Pope for enuie and despite of his Clergie saith Sabellicus wherewith the Rauennates were not content but beinge ouercomme by the authoritie of the Emperour Constantine who muche fauoured Agatho they bare it as paciently as they myght And Leo the seconde successour to Agatho made an ende hereof causing the Emperour Iustinian to shewe great crueltie vnto the whole Citie of Rauenna and to Foelix their Bishoppe bicause they would haue recouered their olde lybertie And so this Pope Leo by the commandement and power of the Emperour Iustinian brought Rauenna vnder his obeisaunce as the Pontificall reporteth These Popes through their feyned humilitie and obedience vnto the Emperours whiche was but dutie wan both muche fauour and ayde at the Emperours handes to achieue their purpose muche desiered But Benedictus the seconde who succeded next to Leo the seconde went in this point beyonde all his predecessours for Constantine being moued with his humanitie pietie and fauourablenes towardes al men when he sent to the Emperour for his cōfirmation the Emperour sent saith Platina a decree that from henceforth loke whom the Clergie the people and the Romain army should chose to be Pope all men without delay should beleue him to be Christes true vicar abiding for no confirmation by the Emperour or his Lieutenant as it had been wonted to be doon c. For that was wont to be allowed in the Popes creation that was confirmed by the Prince hym selfe or his vicegerent in Italy Here first of al it appeareth if this story be true how this interest of the Prince in this Ecclesiasticall matter thus continuing long tyme although many wayes assailed and many attemptes made by the Popes to shake it of was at the lengthe through their flattery whiche their Parasites call humilitie geuen vnto them of the Emperours to whom it apperteined But whether this story be true or not or if it were geuen how it was geuē or howe long the giftes toke place or howe it was taken away and retourned to the former right may well be called into question for there is good tokens to shewe that it was not geuen in this sort For these two Popes who sate in the Papal seate but. 10. moneths a peece or there abouts were in no such fauour with Themperour as was their predecessor Agatho who made great suite vnto the Emperour for such like thinges obteined his suite but with a speciall Prouiso for the reseruation of this authoritie still to remaine vnto the Emperours as wytnesseth the Pontificall and Gratian. He receiued from the Emperour letters saye they accordinge to his petition whereby the somme of money was releassed that was wonte to bee geuen to the Emperour for the Popes Consecration but so that if there happen after his death any election the Bisshop elect be not consecrated before the election be signified to the Emperour by the generall decree he meaneth the Synodicall letters according to the auncient custome that the orderinge of the Pope may goe forwarde by the Emperours knowledge or consent and commaundement The Glossar vpon Gratian noteth vpon these woordes vvhich summe was wonte to be geuen For euery Bisshop was wonte to geue somethinge to the Emperour at his election But did not the Emperour committe Symonie in releasinge this right vnder this condition that his consent should be required in the election answeare no◠bicause both these belonged to him of right before wherefore he might nowe remitte the one But as I saide let it be true that Constantine gaue ouer this iurisdiction yet Volateranus addeth to this suspected donacion this clause founde true by experience which donation saith he was not longe after obserued And in déede it was kept so small a while that within one yéere after or litle more when the electours after longe altercation had agreed on Conon Theodorus the Emperours Lieutenaunt as saith Sabellicus gaue his assent and Platina sheweth the same although not so plainely So that by this also it appeareth that if still it apperteined to the Emperours Lieutenaunt to geue his assent to the Popes electiō that than this gifte is either fained of the Papistes and that the rather vnder the name of Constantinus to bleare therewith the ignorauntes eies as though it were the graunt of Constātine the great as they doo about Images with the name of the Nicene Councell or bylike the gifte was not so authentically ratified as it was vnaduisedly promised but how so euer it was it helde not longe the Pope him selfe solempnely with the consent and decrée of whole Councell resigning al the foresaide graunt vnto the Emperour for euermore But I returne againe to Agatho who as I saide beinge in great fauour with Constantine the Emperour Determined saith Platina to haue a councell to decide the errour of the Monothelites But bicause he coulde not him selfe by his owne authoritie call a general councell for that belonged to the Emperour who in that time was busie in the warres against the Saracens He waited saith Platina for the returne of the Emperour This Constantinus surnamed Pogonatus about the yéere of the Lorde 680. calleth the Bishoppes out of all
them according to Goddes will and your holy aduise in suche sorte ▪ that neither I be founde reproueable in Goddes sight neither you nor the people incurre Goddes wrathfull indignation for these thinges howe this may be searched founde out and brought to perfection that I committee to be entreated by you and so to be declared vnto me The lesser matters also whiche in generall touche all but in especiall some and neede reformation I will that yee make enquirie of them and make relation vnto me thereof as for example if the rulers in the countreys neglect or sell Iustice if they be takers or oppressours of the Churches widowes orphanes or of the poore Yf they come to the sermons Yf they doo reuerence and obey duely their Priestes Yf they presume to take in hande any new opinions or argumentes that may hurt the people c. The Bishoppes after they had consulted vpon these matters doo make relation vnto the Emperour what they had done shewynge him that they had founde some of the Bishoppes and chiefe Mynisters faulty and humbly pray the Emperour on their behalfe that he will of his goodnes graunt these some space to amende their faultes They complaine to the Emperour of Bishops Priestes for lacke of preachinge and that noble men gentle men come not vnto those few sermons that bée And so then recyte many other enormities as about tythes incest and suche like especially in religious persones who for the most parte are cleane out of order And to bringe these to their former order and state resteth say they in your disposicion ▪ Thus doth this Kinge take vppon him and thus doo the Bishoppes yéelde vnto him the gouernment aswell of Ecclesiasticall as Temporall causes and thinges On this wise did Lodouicus alwaies exercise him selfe in so muche that for his carefull gouernment in Churche matters he was surnamed Pius the godly as his father before him was called Magnus the great Pope Leo. 4. writeth his humble letters vnto Lotharius on the behalfe of one Colonus who was chosen to be Bishop of Reatina but he might not consecrate him without the Emperours licence first obteined thereunto and therfore praieth the Emperour of his fauour towardes Colonus Vt vestra licentia accepta ibidem Deo adiuuante eum consecrare valeamus Episcopum That hauinge your licence wee may haue authoritie by Goddes helpe to consecrate him Bishoppe there Vppon this woorde Licence The Glossar noteth the consente of the Prince to be required after the election be made Nexte to Leo sauinge the woman Pope Iohan was Benedictus 3. chosen who was ratified and confirmed by the Emperours authoritie who sente his Embassadours to Rome for that purpose This Pope is commended for his greate godlines But he was ouer godly to liue longe in that sea neuerthelesse he was not so godly as the moste of his successours were al together vngodly as your owne writers make reporte And to note this chaunge the better Nauclerus telleth of diuerse wonders howe the Deuill appeared in an vgly shape and hurled stones at men as they went by set men togeather by the eares bewraied théeues and priestes of their lemmans and such like Howe it rained bloudde thrée daies and thrée nightes How great Grassehoppers with sixe wynges and sixe féete and twoo téethe harder then any stone couered the grounde and destroied the fruites not altogeather vnlike those Grassehoppers that S. Iohn noteth in his Reuelation to come from the bottomlesse pitte after the starre was fallen After this folowed a great pestilence Whiche woonders if they be true be not vnwoorthy the notinge consideringe the chaunge that folowed For hitherto still from time to time although some Popes did priuily attempte the contrarye yet the Emperours alwaies kepte the confirmation of the Pope the inuesturinge of Bishoppes and the orderinge of many other Ecclesiasticall matters tyll the next Pope beganne openly to repine at the matter and his successour after him to Curse and some of those that folowed fell from chidinge and cursinge to plaine fightinge for the same In the whiche combate though with muche adooe at length they wroonge them selues from vnder the Emperours obedience Yet alwaies euen hitherto Princes haue had no litle interest in Ecclesiasticall causes as hereafter shall appéere After Benedictus was Nicolas chosen whom the Emperour him selfe beynge present did confirme as witnesseth Nauclerus At the same time was the Emperour Lodouicus 2. at Rome who confirmed the Popes election The same also saith Martyn to the whiche Volateran addeth of the Emperour the Pope De communi consilio ambo cuncta gerebāt All thinges were doone by common counsaile or consent of bothe the Emperour and the Pope And least it might be thought he meaneth not as wel Ecclesiastical as Temporal matters Sabellicus maketh the matter more plaine affirming that the Emperour and the Pope had secrete conference together many daies and had consultation both touching the matters perteining to Christian Religion and also of the state of Italy And a litle after talking of the Pope The Pope decreed by the consent of Lodouicus that from thence foorth no Prince no not the Emperour him selfe should be present in the councell with the Cleargie onles it were when the principall pointes of faith were treated of Hitherto in all these Ecclesiasticall causes the Emperour hath the doinge as well or more than the Pope But this last decree that by the allowāce of the Emperour the Pope made exempteth Temporall Princes from Ecclesiasticall matters in their councelles though in the most principall matters Ecclesiastical cōcerning faith it leueth to them their interestes Martinus the second gat into the Papacie malis artibus by naughty meanes saith Platina and as is noted in the margent it was in this Popes time that first of all the creation of the Popes was made without the Emperours authoritie But this Pope died so shortely as he came in naughtily After whom Adriā the third like vnto his predecessour the second of that name who by cūning sleight practised to defraude the Emperour of his authoritie espying oportunitie by reason that Charles the Emperour as Sabellicus saith was farre of busied in the warres doth promote this matter to be decreed by the Senate and the people and this he did immediatly after he was made Bishop and persuadeth them that they doo not hereafter wayte for the Emperours approbation and confirmatiō in appointing their Bishop but that they shoulde kepe to them selues their own fredome The whiche thinge also Nicolaus the firste with others attempted but coulde not bringe it to passe as Platina reporteth Who also wryteth that the Romaines had conceiued an hope of great libertie in the hauty courage of this Pope beinge a Romaine borne But to their great griefe he within a while was taken from them The next Pope Stephen had an obscure tyme sauing that Charles therein called a councell at Collen and after him Arnulphus the Emperour other twoo the one
no licence or power to order any c. To this short answeare the Emperour with the Synode replieâ—h tellinge him they had writen to let him vnderstande of the crimes wherewith he was chardged and that he had sent them suche an answeare as rather became the folie of a childe then the grauitie of a Bishop as for the power of bindinge and losinge they say he once had as Iudas had to whome it was saide Quaecunque ligaueritis super terram c. VVhat so euer yee binde on earth shalbe bounde in Heauen c. But nowe he hath no more power against the Emperour and the Synode then Iudas had when he went about to betray Christe his maister These letters were sente vnto him by twoo Cardinalles who returned not findinge him and therefore the Synode procéedeth to his Deposition They beséech the Emperour to remoue Monstrum illud That Monster and to place some woorthy Bishop in his roome Tunc Imperator placet inquit quod dicitis Your request pleaseth me saith The Emperour The Clergie and the people saith Nauclerus dooth make humble supplication vnto the Emperour to prouide for them a woorthy Bishoppe to whom the Emperour answeareth Choose you your selues one whom hauinge God before your eyes yee maie iudge woorthy and I wil confirme him The Emperour had no sooner spoken this saith Luithpr than they all with one assent named Leo The Emperour gaue his consent Et Ottho Imperator Leonem creat Pontificem And Ottho the Emperour created Leo Pope as Sabellicus Platina saith Here Luithprandus telleth at large how after this creation of Leo y e Emperour dissolued y e Synode what mischiefe y e monstrous Pope Iohn wrought afterwarde For by his fréendes in Rome Pope Leo was driuen away And after this monster was dead the Romaines elected Benedictus in his place requireth the Emperour who was than at Spolet to coÌ„firme him the Emperour woulde not but compelled them to receiue Leo againe And here the Emperour summoned againe a newâ— Synode wherein he sat him selfe for the canonicall depoficion of Benedictus not withstandinge this saith Nauclerus Leo being weary of the inconstancy of the Romaines did constitute by their consent in the Synode holdeÌ„ at Rome that the whole authoritie of chosinge the Bishop shoulde remaine in the Emperour as it is rehersed in the decrees in these woordes Being in the Synode at Rome in the Church of the holy Sauiour like as Adrianus Bisshop of Rome grauÌ„ted to Charles the great the dignitie of patricians hip the ordering of the Apostolical sea and the inuesturing of Bissops So I also Leo Bisshop of Rome seruaunt of Goddes seruauntes with the consent of all the Cleargy and people of Rome doo coÌ„stitute confirme and corroborate and by our Apostolical authoritie wee doo graunt and geue vnto the Lord Ottho the first King of Dutchmen and to his successours in this kingdome of Italy for euer the autoritie to elect after vs and to ordeine the Bisshop of Rome and so Archbisshops and Bisshops that they receiue of him as they ought the inuesturing and consecratioÌ„ excepting those whom the Emperour hath graunted to the Popes and Archbisshops And that noman hereafter of what dignitie or ReligioÌ„ soeuer haue power to elect one to the dignity of consulles Bloud or to be Bisshop of the Appostolique sea or to make any other Bisshop without the Emperours consent And if any be chosen Bisshop without he be commended and inuested by the Kinge that in no wise he be consecrated vnder paine of excommunication As Sabellicus noteth this for a renowmed matter y e the right of creatinge the Pope was now restored to the Emperial dignitie euen so Nauclerus affirmeth this godly Imperour Ottho to be borne In totius Ecclesiae consolationem for the consolation of the whole Churche When this godly Prince was dead whilest his sonne Ottho 2. was busied in the warres against the Sarazens and after him his Sonne Ottho 3. was yet in noneage the Popes beganne to waxe so euill and the state of Christes Churche to decaie asmuche as euer it did before So daungerous a mater it is to want godly Princes to gouerne Goddes Churche and to ouersée the Mynisters thereof About this time Hugh Capet the French king looked better to his Cleargie in Fraunce and callinge a Councell at Rhemes of all the Prelates of Fraunce deposed Arnucphus whome Charles had made Bishop there and made Gilbert the Philosopher Bishoppe whome afterwardes Ottho 3. made Archebishoppe of Rauenna After Hugh Robert his sonne succeded a Prince very wel learned and a diligent labourer about diuine or Churche matters whiche is the propre parte of a righte kinge saithe Sabellicus When Ottho 3. surnamed for his excellent vertues in that vitious age Mirabilia mundi the maruailes of the worlde herde of the great misorder in Rome for the reformation therof he came into Italy but or euer he entred into Rome Pope Iohn 17. died and there fell no contention saith Nauclerus in the Popes Election bicause the Prince appointed by his commaundement Bruno to be pronounced Pope who was called Gregory 5. So soone as the Emperour departed from Italy the Romaines thrust out Gregory and placed one Placentinus whome thei call Iohn 18. The Emperour hearinge hereof came to Rome hanged vp the Consul and put out Iohns eyes restored Gregory into his sea againe I maruaile that the historians saithe Platina doo reken this Iohn amongest the Popes which vndoubtedly was in his Papacy a theefe and a robber for he entred not in by the doore as of right he shoulde haue doone for he came in by a faction corruptinge with money and large giftes Crescentius the Consull a most couetous wretch and no lesse ambicious Wherby the sharpe iudgement of the Emperour is declared to be but vpright iustice So that Platina makinge Gregory to be the true Pope and to haue entred in by the doore of whome he saith Ottonis 3. authoritate pontifex creatur he is created Pope by the Emperours authoritie declaring the other that came in without y e Emperours consent to be a théefe a robber seemeth to be of this opinion although to flatter the Popes withall he durste not so plainely open his minde y â— without the Pope be creat with the Emperours confirmation authoritie he is but a théefe and a robber Next vnto him saith Nauclerus was Syluester the second placed by the Emperous appointment Who being a Coniurer had solde his soule to the Deuill for this promotion Neuertheles he was saith he so witty so learned and seemed so holy that he not onely deceiued the Emperour that made him Pope but all the worlde besides In which Otho the Emperour remaining at Rome did deliberate after what sort and by what meanes he might reforme not onely the Empire but also handeling Ecclesiasticall matters howe he might reforme the Lawes of the Churche and bring them into the
owne peuish cauillatioÌ„s This report is false that I shuld affirme y e Queenes Maiesties meaning in that othe to be far otherwise then the expresse wordes are as lye Verbatim This my constant Assertion that hir Highnesse minde meaninge is to take so muche and no more of Spiritual aucthoritie and power vpon hir than Kinge Henry and Kinge Edwarde enioyed and did iustly claime you vntruely feygne to be your obiection And that I shoulde affirme of most certaine and sure knowledge hir Maiesties minde or the very right sence of the Othe to be otherwise than it is plainely set foorth is a malicious sclaunder whereof I will fetche no better proofe then the testimonie of your owne mouthe Ye confesse that the interpretation folowinge was penned and written by me to declare the very righte sence and meaninge of the othe wherein ye haue acquited me and condemned your selfe of a manifest vntruthe For the right sence and meaning declared in the interpretation that I made and you haue set foorth doth plainely shewe the cleane contrary if you marke it well to all that you haue here set foorth in my name vnder the title of my resolucions to your scruples Furthermore in the Preface to your forenamed pointes ye haue declared by woorde and wrytinge that I did require you presently to sweare by othe to acknowledge her highnes to be the onely supreame gouernour in all Spirituall or Ecclesiasticall thinges or causes If this be true that you haue said it is manifest by your owne confession that I declared her Maiesties meaninge in that Othe to be none otherwise than the expresse wordes are as they lye verbatim For when I showe her meaninge to be that ye should acknowledge in her highnes the only supreamacie I doo declare plainely that she meaneth to exclude all other men from hauinge any supreamacie for this exclusiue only can not haue any other sense or meaning And whan I adde this supreamacie to be in all spirituall causes or thinges I shewe an vniuersall comprehension to be meant without exception For if ye excepte or take away any thing it is not all And you your selfe tooke my mâ—aning to be thus For ye chalenge me in your seconde chiefe point and call for profe hereof at my hand whiche ye woulde not doo if it were not mine assertion meaning For why should I be driueÌ„ to proue that which I affirme not or meant not Besides these in your whole trauaile folowing ye labour to improue this as you say mine assercion to wit that all Spirituall iurisdiction dependeth vpon the positiue Lawe of Princes If this bee mine assercion as ye affirme it is and therefore bende all your force to improoue it ye witnes with me against your selfe that I declared her Maiesties meaning was to take neither more nor lesse authoritie and iurrsdiction vnto her selfe than kynge Henry and kinge Edwarde had for they had no more than all And if her Maiestie take any lesse she hath not al. Touchinge therefore these false feined and sclaunderous resolucions as they are by you moste vntruly forged euen so whether this bee likely that in a yeres space welnigh I would not in all our daily conference make one reason or argument out of the Scriptures or other authoritie in the maintenaunce of mine assercion and to resolue you in the same I referre to the iudgement of all the Papistes in the Realme that knowe both me and you Againe though ye doo denie that I so did therefore do report none there bee many both worshipfull and of good credit yea and some of your owne déer friendes also that are witnesses of our talke can tell what reasons I haue made vnto you bothe out of the Scriptures and other authorities and proofes out of the Churche histories suche as ye coulde not auoide but were forced to yelde vnto And whether I should so doo or not I might referre me vnto the testimonie of your owne mouthe both than and sithen spoken to diuerse that can witnesse y e same that ye affirmed this although vntruly that you neuer found any that so muche ouerpressed you as I did whiche your saiyng although most vntrue yet it showeth that somewhat I said to confirme mine assertion and to confute yours M. Fekenham Hereunto I did make this obiectioÌ„ folovving These vvorde of the first part of the othe I. A. B. doo vtterly testifie and declare in my coÌ„science that the Q. highnes is the only supreme gouernour of this Realme as vvel in al Spiritual or Ecclesiastical thinges or causes as Temporal â–ª Besides the particulers expressed in your L. interpretation made thereof they doo by expresse vvordes of the acte geue vnto the Queenes highnes all maner of iurisdictioÌ„s priuileges and prehemineÌ„ces in any vvise touching and concerning any concerning any Spiritual or Ecclesiasticali iurisdiction vvithin the Realme vvith an expresse debarre and flat denial made of al Spiritual iurisdictioÌ„ vnto the Bishops thereof to be exercised ouer their flockes and cures vvithout her highnes Speciall commission to be graunted thervnto They hauing by the expresse vvorde of God coÌ„mission of Spiritual gouernment ouer them commission to lose and bind their sinnes Commission to shut and opon the gates of heaueÌ„ to them Commission to geue vnto them the holy ghost by the impositioÌ„ of their haÌ„des And thei hauing by the expresse vvord of God such a daungerous cure and charge ouer their soules that God hath threatned to require the bloud of suche as shall perishe at their handes Notvvithstanding these and many such other like commissions graunted vnto them for the more better discharge of their cures and that by the mouth of God they may not exercise any iurisdiction ouer them they may not visit them they may not reforme them they may not order nor correct them vvithout a further coÌ„mission from the Q. highnes Surely my good L. these thinges are so straunge vnto me and so contrary to all that I haue rede that I am not hable to satisfie my conscience therein Youre L. aunsvver vvas that for as muche as all Spirituall iurisdiction and authoritie to make Lavves and to iudge the people in courtes Ecclesiasticall to visit them to reforme them to order and correct them doth depende onely vppon the positiue Lavves of Kinges and Princes and not vpon the Lavve of God Therfore neither did the Apostles of Christe neither the Bishoppes and their successours may exercise any iurisdiction vpon the people of God iudge theÌ„ visite them refourme order and correct them vvithout authority and commission of the King and Prince The B. of Wynchester It is very true that after yée had quarelled muche in sondry thinges touchyng woordes and termes expressed in the Act of Parliament and in the interpretation of the Othe Yée did neuerthelesse finally agrée in the whole matter thereof finding onely doubt in one pointe of mine assertion namely touchyng iurisdiction Spirituall or Ecclesiasticall all whiche you affirmedcon trary