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A14050 The hunting of the fox and the wolfe because they make hauocke of the sheepe of Christ Iesus.; Huntyng of the romyshe wolfe Turner, William, d. 1568.; Knox, John, ca. 1514-1572. 1565 (1565) STC 24357; ESTC S101281 45,226 72

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it For god made a promise vnto the Churche and vnto the common people but not vnto this byshop or that byshop to this gentilman that gentilman When the common people had the auctority presenting and chusing of pastors there were a greate deale of moe and more honest pastors then there hath bene sence that time that one byshoppe or one gentelman chused presented or set vp the pastors or sheepeheards as they do nowe a dayes To whom was this sayd I shall bee with you vnto the end of the world The byshoppes and gentilmen onely or to the hole Church If it wer made vnto the hole Church then haue not Byshops and gentilmen this promise alone except they be ioyned with the Church Then when as they be sondered and parted from the church they haue not this promise of the holy ghost ▪ Wherfore it is not wōder that we haue so many euill pastors wher as ther are such holy gostles presenters chusers and benefice geuers But lest there shoulde be found anye among the Christians which would fleshly after frendship chuse such pastors that wer nought it wer not amisse after that all the old liuinges were restored vnto the church againe that in euerye parishe certaine of the godliest and wisest men shoulde bee chosen whiche should not onely chuse and present vp pastors to bee admitted but also be ioyned with the pastors in excomunication and dealing the almes of the Churche to the pouerty of euery parishe And I woulde that euery little parish should haue seuen such at the least and euery meane church .xiij. and euery great church xxiij If these had the same auctority of chusing and presenting of pastors that now byshops and gentelmen haue I doubt not but that we shoulde haue a great deale fewer wolues in the realme then we now haue Foster If that ye woulde haue no such Byshops as we now haue and that all pastors shoulde be a like and none aboue another when the pastore is dead who shall admit the new pastore to his office who shall iudge whether he that the churche presenteth bee worthy to bee alowed or no Hunter As the Apostles had auctority to alow and admit elders in their time so is it meete that they that are the successors of the Apostles nowe haue the same auctority and for the auoiding of confusion and for the maintenaunce of good order I woulde that in euery little shire in England should be at the least 4. byshoppes I meane no mitred nor lordly no rachetted byshops but shuch as should be chosen out of the rest of the clergy euery yeere and not for euer which should be honest learned men preachers and graduates if so many could be found I woulde that these should haue auctoritye to remaine and admitte all the elders that shall be set vp and chosen thorow out all the hole dioceses and that they should haue all such auctoritye in all matters of religion and the ecclesiasticall gouernement as the late lordly and ponpouse byshoppe had And specially to admit lawful ministers to dispose and put downe naughty ministers to examine heretikes and to appoint punishment not onely for the clergy that offendeth but also for the common people doing any offence worthye any ecclesiasticall punishment reserued alwayes aucthority to excomunicate to euery pastor with the elders of the Churche within his owne parishe and that only for such matters as the sciptur would that men should be excommunicated for These byshops must be chosen by the voices of al the pastors in the shire and as for the nūber of them if the dioses be great there may be halfe a dosen or mo as it shall be thoughte expedient vnto the Lords and knightes of the parliament for the glory of God and the profite of the church Foster If this might so be brought to passe I thinke that we should haue fewer wolues then we nowe haue and perchaunce none at all But what would yee do with all the byshops lands and with al the cathederallchurches in England it appeareth that ye care not for the cathederal churches what should be come of them Hunter I would that the byshops lands should be denided into 4. parts wherof I wold wish that the first part shoulde be giuen to a mende preachers liuings The second part to set vp schooles and to find scollers in the vniuersicies The third p●●te to find the byshoppes that I haue spoken of before The fourthe parte to repayre Churches with all and to reliue and helpe the pouertye of the dioses and to repayre hye wayes with al within the same shire or dioses And as touching the cathederall churches as they are nowe vsed they are nothing els but dens of theeues nestes for Wolues spyes for fet hogs bāketting houses for couetous glotons that for sparing of mony at home without shame thruste themselues into cannons houses Wherefore it made little matter so that all the other things were done that we spake of before if they were all quite put down so that they were put to better vses Foster As far as I perceaue if yee were in the parliament house againe yee should earn but smale thanke of the Queenes husbands for yee giue in al your dealinges nothing vnto the Queene Hunter What meane you by the Queenes husbands I wot not what you meane Foster Of late yeeres certaine spoyling vnmercifull and churlishe officers were vnder king Edward whereof some be nowe aliue and serue Qeene Mary at this time Which when as they were desired to be good vnto very poore men euer aunswered we that are in office vnder the king must be husbands to the king and prouide that he haue alwayes more and more and that he lese nothing when as they rather sought their owne profit then the kings honor and his durable profit Hunter I was once in a great mans chamber to see howe he did when he was sicke and because he heard tell that I would haue had all the chauntries in England so bestowed as I would nowe haue the byshops lands bestowed he desired me to be good vnto the King at the whiche saying came vnto my mind an olde saying Qui pro alio orat pro se ipso laborat Hee that praieth for another man laboreth for him selfe If that the Queenes good husbands would haue me geaue some part of the church goods vnto her perchaunce for that intent that they might haue some part therof with the Qeene as it it chaunced oft in King Henris time king Edwards time they were very noughty men for is not that a shameful wickednes to make their maister or maisters commit the abhominable vice of S●●●oni that they might therby be the richer As touching the Queenes part as I would take nothing from her that belongeth of right vnto her so will I not geue her it that belongeth vnto God and his congregation Foster Ye haue forgotten to tell to what vses you would haue the cathedral churches put to Hunter The personages and vicarages and other partes of pastors liuings restored vnto the pastors again I would that the rest of all the landes should be thus bestowed let there be in euery cathederale church .vi. or .viij. or .xii. preachers according vnto the lands of the churche whereof euerye one should haue L.ii. to find him with al let the rest of al the lands be spent vpon reders and schollers and students both in gramer and humanity and also in diuinity Foster If all the abbaies in Englande and chauntre lands had bin thus bestowed I thinke verely that the Queene shoulde haue bine much ritcher then she now is and that the realme should haue ben better prouided of learned men and godly ministers then it nowe is And that the vengance of God shold not haue fallen vpon this realme as of late hath done don Hunter To make an end of our communication because wee are neere to our lodging where as we shall rest all night I thinke that if these thinges were done that I haue rehearsed we should not only be rid of all the Wolues that are now in England but we should be free from wolues in time to come Foster I am afraid that in our days these things that yee haue deuised for the driuing away holding out of Wolues out of Englande shall not come to passe Hunter If they do not come to passe then must we haue wolues still and wher as wolues bee there must the poore sheepe be rent in peces Therefore if these deuises be not receiued and folowed and embraced Christes little poore flocke must nedes be torne and rent in peeces as it hath bine continuallye these many hundreth yeeres sauing only in the raign of king Edward the sixte when as all the Wolues which are nowe co●●●ned abroad were faine to hiede them in their dennes Foster There is no other like but there shall be great murder of sheepe but what remedy Hunter None but these eyther to play the wolues with the wolues or els to flie out of this cōtrye to such a contrey where as is no wolues in as here are like to be Foster That is true therfore let euery man prouide for himseffe betime Hunter Euen so intend I to doe assoone as I can far ye wel Foster God grant that we may meete merye togither after the end of the parliament Hunter Amen SVTILTI TRVTH TIRANI
his part A nother property of a false prophet is to be cruell and bloudthursty as Ieremy in the 23. and Ezechiell in the 22. chapter doth beare witnes Haue our prelats nothing to do with murder I thinke if ye will examine them well we shall finde them so bloud thursty that for all that property alone they mighte not vnworthely be called wolues and false prophets For besides that they kill the souls of their parishioners and diocesanes eyther for lacke of the word of God or els with the poysoned breade of heresie and papestry they kill diuers other wayes as in back byting belying and slaundering of the true preuchers and in killing the bodyes of the same The Clergy of England killed Belney Baynam Bayfielde and A●tony Person Mekens Lambert and Phillips with many other whose names come not nowe in my remembraunce But the wolfe of winchester for his parte alone killed Barnes Ierom and Garret The citye of London the townes of Colchester Braintree and Chensfurth can tell howe many hys fellowe bloudy Boner hath killed And nowe of late these olde murdering wolues which haue ben a great while hungrye in their dennes when as they were broken lose euen as great Masties do more harme that are commonly tyed when as they breake lose then other do that commonly run abroad at liberty haue killed a grert sort in their mindes and desires haue casten them into prison that they may kill them in deede as they haue killed them in thoughte for if the casting of them into prison alone might haue killed them there had none of them all bene aliue at this time as perchaunce some shall perish for colde and lacke of good keeping But because the prison can not kill them all as their desire is they laye sedition and treason vnto their charges that they may dispatch them the soner that way as the old priests and pharises handled Christ and his Apostles after him For when as the Maiestrats woulde not kill them for heresie and false doctrine the bloudy Wolues layed sedition and treason vnto their charges as our Wolues doe at this time Now when as Stephen Gardiner and Edmond Bonar with the other nūber of bloud shedding by shoppes and priests haue the very same properties that the old false prophets and worrying wolues had I see no cause but I may lawfullye call them Wolues Deane The moste part of the places which ye haue alledged as yet are taken out of the olde Testament which seemeth not to be of suche force nowe in the time of the newe Testament as they might bee that are taken out of the newe Testamnt because the old Testament speaketh many thinges in figures and tropes which are hard to vnderstand when as the newe Testament declareth the olde and speaketh all things without figurs wherefore if you will proue any thing substantially ye must proue it by the newe Testament and not by the olde Also the Byshoppes haue not killed them that ye speake of but the magistrates and the kings officers Hunter If that the alledging of the newe Testament will bring you to the light of the truth I will alledge it more largely not withstanding that I alledged no trope nor figures out of the olde Testament but morall lawes which shall endure for euer Also I haue alledged diuers places out of the new Testament wherof euen but one alone had ben sufficient ynough to haue gotten credence for that thing that I desired to be beleeued in But to proue it fully that I haue taken in hand to proue I shall proue that Gardiner the bishop of winchester and al his fellowes of that order that he is of haue the properties of the false prophets that are spoken of in the newetestament Christ in the 7. of Matth. saith that false prophets go in Lambes clothing and inwarde are rauening Wolues The massemongers of England go in sheepes clothing that is they shew great holines in their outwart apparel they haue four cornered cappes to sinnifie that they go Este west North and South to preach gods word how be it theire foure corners maye as well signifie that they haue destroyed the foure Euangelistes in the stead of them set vp their owne traditions they haue shauen crownes to signifie that their mind is in heauen and chat they care for no worldly thing They haue syde gownes and them commonly blacke which be tokeneth sadnes of maners and mortifying of theire fleshe they haue tippets about their neckes to betoken that they haue taken vpon them the yoke of chastitye They weare white Ratchetes and surplesses sometime aboue their other clothes to signifie the simplicity of a Lambe and the innocency of the same But I haue proued before that inwardlye they are rauening Wolues therefore these are the false prophets that Christ bad vs beware of Matth the 15. Marke the 7. declare that the property of the pharises which were false prophets is to set vp their owne traditions and therby to breake and tr●ad down the commaundement of God which thing I haue proalready that our Byshoppes and priestes both haue done and yet do stil. Christ in the x. of Iohn maketh all them theeues and mu●●erers that are not sent by him but come in another way I haue proued already that all the vnlearded persons in Englande came in another way then by Christ. And now I saye that all the only massaying prie●●es in Englande and that this kind of elders priestes or Apos●les which take vpon them to be higher in dignity then their fellowe priests and apostles and exercise lordship ouer them are not sent of Christe who made not one Apostle aboue another but gaue them all like auctority as the gospels in diuers places beare witnes namely Mat. the 18. and 20. Mark the ix and x. Luke the 22. and in diuers other places Where haue the massaying priests any word in the new testament ▪ wherwith thei are able to proue that they ar sent of Christ no wher I warrant you in all the new testament The newe testament is in all places against this kinde of priesthoode Then when as neither the masse priestes neyther the proud lordly byshops are sent of Christ it foloweth that they are theeues and robbers and so false prophets and Wolues Christ in the 24. of Matthew describing the salfe prophets that should come in the end of the world sayth that they will say that Christ is here and Christ is there that he is in this pix and in that pix in this bread and in that bread and so doe Gardiner with all his sacramentary sacrificers Therfore they are false prophets that Christ prophecyed of that should come in the end of the world Paule where as hee Prophecyeth in the former Epistle to Timothi of the false Prophets that should come in the latter times of the world sheweth two notable properties wherby ▪ they may be knowen The former is that they should forbid mariage and the Seconde is to