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A66434 A vindication of The case of indifferent things used in the worship of God in answer to a book intituled The case of indifferent things used in the worship of God, examined, stated on the behalf of the dissenters and calmly argued. Williams, John, 1636?-1709.; Bagshaw, Edward, 1629-1671. 1684 (1684) Wing W2740; ESTC R186701 40,583 62

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