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A96883 As you were: or A reducing (if possibly any) seduc't ones, to facing about, turning head, front against God) by the recrimination (so intended) upon Mr. J.G. (Pastor of the church in Colmanstreet) in point of fighting against God. By an unworthy auditor of the said (Iuditious-pious-divine) master Iohn Goodvvin. Woodward, Ezekias, 1590-1675. 1644 (1644) Wing W3480; Thomason E16_29; ESTC R4417 4,229 8

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suffer the Congregationall way the elder sister to goe a foote before them To the next quotation the Minister speake not what hee said that way is like to prove to many without ground For if the roaring at a distance is so terible afflicts so what wil be the misery of its persence probably So as the dred Psal 90. 11. To the next quotation if this Recr be a Preacher I commend his reach he takes Text enough If Mr. John Goodwins writing will not doe hee turnes to the Apologists Reader remember his Chimaera who knit a knot with Mr. Goodwin yet the sayings abide single and apart unentangled The Apologists deny not what Mr. Goodwin saies nor Mr. Goodwin what the Apologist writ who add if the Magistrates power backe the sentence of Non-communion it will be as effectuall as the Presbyteriall way is supposed to be Sir here effectualnes is not simply ascrib'd to the Presbyteriall way nor to the Congregationall by this backing where then is the tye To the next quotation if he like not the answer he should have well answered Naziaren and not have crept away with a Tempora mutan●ur c. Well God mend us and so the times Here next the Recr falsely quotes the words The first sentence is this why may we not thinke but that God may aswell say that there are too many learned and wise men in great Councell for God to reveale truth or to give truth victory against errour by § 2. Hee quotes halfe a line out of a sentence containing 15. lines Which in effect say that where greater numbers of men accomplisht with grace c. shall assemble c. to argue c. onely with an intent to be helpers of the Saints and not to exercise a dominion over their faith 2 Cor. 11. 24 they may expect a speciall presence of God with them The third is plainely this that even in Councells c. its ' usually seene that some one or few either of predominate parts or authority among them sway and steer c. And is any the least appearance of evill in saying this 1 Have not even those admirers worshippers of Councels the Papists I meane spoken m●re and ill of Counsell But herein comes not Mr. Goodwin neere the Arminians c. A poore shift for a calumniation I finde the Arminians in their confession cap. 25. d● Synodis saying that Synods ought to be convented by the example of the Apostles themselves Acts 15. And that they ought in the first place to drive Hereticks from the Churches c. And that the Christian Magistrates after God and Christs cheif authority ought to intervene and say not all Presbyterians the same come not they neere the Arminians Thus it is to argue like the Recriminator 2. Have not our worthy writers against Papists said as much as Mr. Goodwin in this point and seven times over and once more In perticu●iar Whitaker whom he quotes I will instance in places if cause Next he would claspe the hands of the Apologists and Mr. Goodwin and make us beleeve they give a blow to Parliaments power viz. coercive in matters of Religion hee should like a man have manifested what that power is and that God hath given it c. And that these give lesse to the Magistrate than the principles of the Presbyterians This would have abundantly rendred him acceptable to the Congregationall men If the man emulate such an honour let him appeare in the Cause Next hee would have Mr. Goodwin give his first borne for his transgression what transgression Forsooth hee against his Doctrine lifts up a thought c. against the Presbyteriall way which claimeth origination and discent from Heaven and that without security upon security c. How knowes he that Did Mr. Goodwin tell him or any other so or hath hee faculty without his acknowledging to know his evidence Surely neither but we bee Mr. Goodwin Well then suppose Mr. Goodwin hath such a demonstration c. yet may not another or any without so much proofe appeare in contestation against this or that Doctrine as Heresie c. Alas The whole booke answers this objection yet the askes it But yet saith this never c●ntented man falls not this upon the excommunication in the congregational way such evidence proofe demonstration security a heritick may ought to be after orderly proceeding rejected cast out of the lines of the Churches Communication c. From my Counting-house October 24. P. P. REader The charge of the blood of our men c. lost at the defeate in the West is a heavie charge it hath and will make the beares speake when the murther of Jesus was laid on the heads of the Jewes they are cut to the heart and take Councell to slay the Apostles vers 23. of this Chap. and Chap. 7. 54. they are againe cut to the heart at this and gna●● on Steven with their teeth and yet truly there it lies vide cap. 5. 28. Now I remember what Mr. Peeters that faithfull countryman and laborious for the States good said but th' other day a Tuesday the fast day for our Armies I am confident it was that he had spoken against scratching afflcting our brethren gave us the blow in the West Vpon which Mr. Goodwin preacht these Sermons FINIS