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A77753 A iustification of two points now in controversie with the Anabaptists concerning baptisme: the first is, that infants of Christians ought to be baptized, with grounds to prove it, and their objections answered. With a briefe answer to Master Tombes twelve doubtfull arguments against it in his exercitation about infants baptisme. Also a briefe answer to Captaine Hobsons five arguments in his falacy of infants baptisme, being (as he saith) that which should have beene disputed by him, and Mr. Knowles, and some others; against Mr. Calamy and Mr. Cranford. The second point is, that the sprinckling the baptized more agreeth with the minde of Christ then dipping or plunging in or under the water: with grounds to prove it, and a briefe auswer [sic] to what they have to say against it. / By T.B. Bakewell, Thomas, b. 1618 or 19. 1646 (1646) Wing B534; Thomason E316_23; ESTC R5282 32,062 32

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baptisme of reprobates may benefit the godly although it doth not benefit themselves that have it Eightly Master Tombes saith baptisme of Infants causeth many faults in discipline and in divine worship and in conversation such as these first private baptisme secondly baptisme of Infants thirdly baptisme by women fourthly baptisme of uncertaine Progeny fifthly baptisme in the name of the Lord who know not the Lord nor have ever consented and perhaps will never consent to the confession of the name of the Lord sixthly it hath brought in the admission of ignorant and prophane to the communion of the Lords supper seventhly it perverts the order of discipline to to baptize and then to catechize eighthly it turnes the Sacrament into a ceremony or prophane feasting ninthly it makes men forget that ever they were baptized tenthly it takes away or diminisheth zeale and industry to know the Gospell I answ Most of these are scandals without any proofe as the five last and there is but one of the other five altogether unlawfull and that is baptisme by women and yet this is held by some Anabaptists to be lawfull which is not lawfull but abominable and he makes a perhaps to the fifth where there is no cause for the Parents have power to bring them up to professe the christian Religion which is as much as the Apostles required before they did admit them to baptisme then these ten faults are not sufficient to hinder christian Infants from baptisme Ninthly Master Tombes saith that Infants baptisme is an occasion of many unnecessary disputes fostering contention which can never be determined by any certaine rule such as these first baptizing Infants of excommunicated persons secondly baptizing Infants of apostates thirdly baptizing Infants of Parents that are not members of a gathered Church fourthly baptizing Infants of those whose Ancestors were beleevers and the next Parents remaining still in unbeliefe I answ the first and last of these the Church of England makes no doubt of nor of the second unlesse they turne Turks and so renounce the christian Religion and the third is a meer cavill of Independents for he that is baptized into the christian faith and Religion is a member of the christian Church where-ever he is then notwithstanding this argument christian Infants ought to be baptized Tenthly Master Tombes saith That Baptisme of Infants was opposed in the midst of the darknesse of Popery by the same men that opposed invocation of Saints and prayer for the dead and adoration of the Crosse I answer In the midst of that darknesse some light might be hid from those that sought to bring in the light of the Gospell but we need not to fetch proofe from those darke times for Luther denyed some part of Scripture to be the Word of God and he held consubstantiation ubiquity of Christs body and yet he withstood Popery more powerfully then any of those before him Then this cannot hinder Infants Baptisme Eleventhly Master Tombes saith the assertors of Infants Baptisme do not agree amongst themselves upon what foundation they may build it I answer Though severall men bring severall arguments for it this cannot 〈◊〉 it Againe they all agree in the command of Christ and the promise of sanctifying grace and the blessing and testimony of Christ on them and of that holinesse of distinction from Turks and Infidels and if some bring more arguments to confirme it shall this make it void and what truth is that which was never opposed by some then this cannot hinder Infants Baptisme Lastly Master Tombes saith Infants Baptisme seemes to take away one of the prime ends of Baptisme which was to shew and confesse himselfe to be a Disciple but this I have already answered severall times so then notwithstanding all these doubtfull arguments here is nothing that may justly hinder Christian Infants from Baptisme All these doubts are briefly mentioned by Master Tombes in the beginning of his Booke Intituled An exercitation of Infants Baptisme before his Answer to Master Marshall therefore I forbeare to set downe the severall pages to finde them Here I shall speake something touching re-baptizing or often baptizing because Master Tombes in his great Booke seemes to favour it saying If we had as cleare Scripture for Infants Baptisme as we have for re-baptizing our controversie would soone be ended and by other such like passages in his Booke It appeares that he favours re-baptizing or often Baptisme then suppose any that is baptized in the Church of England should question the lawfulnesse of their Baptisme saying I was not rightly baptized because I was an Infant and knew not what was done but this I have already answered then suppose another say I was sprinkled which is to rinse and not to baptize therefore I was not rightly baptized this I shall answer in the second point Then suppose another say I was baptized either by a drunken Priest that cannot preach and baptize as he ought Mat. 28.19 or else by a Popish Priest who had his Ordination from Popish Bishops therefore I was not rightly baptized and may be re-baptized But here I would know how our Anabaptists Preachers can prove their owne calling lawfull If they say that they are teaching Disciples then where is their Ordination it was either from men of other callings who have nothing to do in it or else they have none at all and how was their first teacher made it was sure the Divell that first moved him from his place and calling to become their Teacher And if they say his Calling was extraordinary like that of the Apostles then we would see their extraordinary Gifts and till then we cannot believe their Calling to be lawfull and so themselves ought not to preach nor baptize thus while they judge our Ministers they condemne themselves And for our Bishops and Ministers I answer and say That they were ordained by men of their owne calling to preach and to administer the Sacraments and thus it hath beene successively from the Apostles and although the Bishops had power and authority given them by men to rule over their Brethren which they ought not yet that did not make void that which they had from God for then that or any other sinne would make that or any other calling void so that a man must either live without sinne or be cas●●red of his calling so then our Ministers standing is lawfull and their Baptisme warrantable I need not speake of the Service Booke the Crosse and Sucplesse which were the onely things that troubled them but they are removed and yet they stand out as much as ever which shewes they have proud and froward hearts rather then any just cause given to them why they should forsake our Churches But suppose there were some exception against our Ministers entrance or execution of their office yet that will not make their Baptisme void the Lord was wrath with Moses and would have killed him because his child was not circumcised but when that was