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penitentia_fw-la de_fw-la die_v in_o diem_fw-la differie_n presumo_fw-la pudorâ—â—_n magis_fw-la memores_fw-la quam_fw-la salutis_fw-la velut_fw-la illi_fw-la qui_fw-la in_o partibus_fw-la verecundieribus_fw-la corporis_fw-la contracta_fw-la vaxatione_fw-la scientiam_fw-la medentium_fw-la vitant_fw-la &_o ita_fw-la cum_fw-la eâ—â—bescentia_fw-la sua_fw-la pereunt_fw-la i_o do_v presume_v that_o diverse_a do_v either_o annoy_v this_o work_n mean_v of_o confessine_n their_o sin_n or_o do_v defer_v 〈◊〉_d from_o day_n to_o day_n be_v more_o mindful_a of_o their_o shame_n then_o of_o their_o health_n they_o be_v herein_o like_a to_o those_o man_n who_o have_v some_o disâ—â—se_n in_o their_o more_o secret_a part_n of_o their_o body_n do_v flee_v the_o cure_n of_o physician_n and_o so_o they_o perish_v through_o their_o own_o shame_n thus_o tertullian_n from_o who_o testimony_n be_v necessary_o evict_v particular_a confession_n of_o our_o private_a sin_n even_o according_a to_o the_o nature_n 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