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but_o i_o have_v hear_v say_v he_o that_o that_o book_n be_v subscribe_v by_o the_o bishop_n of_o canterbury_n lincoln_n and_o london_n as_o if_o any_o thing_n be_v more_o common_a than_o untruth_n in_o the_o mouth_n of_o puritan_fw-gr and_o therefore_o no_o marvel_n if_o he_o have_v hear_v a_o lease_n the_o author_n of_o the_o remonstrance_n without_o any_o supposal_n say_v plain_o 166._o pag._n 166._o that_o there_o never_o be_v any_o church_n consistory_n and_o therefore_o what_o fondness_n be_v it_o to_o suppose_v he_o to_o say_v that_o which_o he_o deni_v but_o admit_v he_o shall_v say_v if_o it_o be_v in_o the_o law_n and_o gospel_n that_o it_o be_v to_o be_v continue_v yet_o do_v it_o not_o follow_v that_o it_o be_v in_o the_o law_n or_o after_o for_o of_o supposal_n no_o direct_a assertion_n can_v be_v make_v unless_o that_o which_o be_v suppose_v be_v grant_v neither_o can_v any_o man_n enforce_v any_o such_o conclusion_n as_o the_o libeller_n imagine_v nay_o he_o shall_v 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