Selected quad for the lemma: authority_n

Word A Word B Word C Word D Occurrence Frequency Band MI MI Band Prominent
authority_n ancient_a church_n pope_n 2,079 5 6.4952 4 false
View all documents for the selected quad

Text snippets containing the quad

ID Title Author Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication) STC Words Pages
A39994 The differences of the time, in three dialogues the first, anent episcopacy, the second, anent the obligation of the covenants against episcopacy, the third, anent separation : intended for the quieting the minds of people, and settling them in more peace and unity. Forrester, David, fl. 1679. 1679 (1679) Wing F1589; ESTC R10780 86,473 238

There are 4 snippets containing the selected quad. | View original text

a_o bishop_n be_v a_o priest_n but_o the_o bishop_n be_v the_o first_o so_o that_o every_o bishop_n be_v a_o presbyter_n but_o every_o presbyter_n be_v not_o a_o bishop_n but_o he_o be_v bishop_n who_o be_v first_o among_o the_o presbyter_n and_o chrysostome_n say_v that_o betwixt_o a_o bishop_n and_o a_o presbyter_n there_o be_v little_a difference_n yet_o both_o these_o father_n you_o see_v acknowledge_v that_o a_o difference_n there_o be_v and_o they_o be_v both_o bishop_n themselves_o their_o opinion_n may_v be_v that_o bishop_n and_o presbyter_n differ_v gradu_fw-la non_fw-la ordine_fw-la that_o they_o may_v be_v both_o one_o order_n and_o differ_v only_o in_o degree_n which_o be_v still_o a_o debate_n in_o the_o school_n so_o may_v be_v say_v of_o the_o rest_n cite_v by_o medina_n 4._o that_o these_o father_n be_v for_o a_o difference_n even_o by_o divine_a or_o apostolic_a warrant_n will_v appear_v from_o other_o place_n in_o their_o writing_n d._n what_o for_o a_o divine_a right_n mr._n durham_n on_o revel_n pag._n 225._o say_v that_o after_o distinction_n be_v make_v in_o the_o church_n betwixt_o bishop_n and_o presbyter_n yet_o be_v it_o never_o account_v by_o antiquity_n to_o be_v jure_fw-la divino_fw-la by_o divine_a right_n i._o i_o show_v you_o the_o contrary_a from_o irenaeus_n tertullian_n and_o other_o yea_o and_o from_o jerome_n himself_o now_o for_o those_o other_o father_n first_o hear_v ambrose_n in_o his_o comment_n on_o 1_o cor._n 12.28_o quosdam_fw-la posuit_fw-la apostolos_fw-la he_o say_v ipsi_fw-la sunt_fw-la episcopi_fw-la firmante_fw-la illud_fw-la petro_n act._n 1._o &_o episcopatum_fw-la ejus_fw-la accipiat_fw-la alter_fw-la and_o on_o vers_n 29._o nurquid_fw-la omnes_fw-la apostoli_fw-la verum_fw-la est_fw-la say_v he_o quia_fw-la in_o ecclesia_fw-la unus_fw-la est_fw-la episcopus_fw-la also_o on_o phil._n 1.1_o rather_o than_o he_o will_v allow_v by_o bishop_n in_o that_o place_n single_a presbyter_n to_o be_v mean_v he_o expound_v those_o bishop_n not_o of_o such_o as_o reside_v at_o philippi_n because_o say_v he_o in_o one_o church_n there_o can_v be_v but_o one_o bishop_n but_o of_o bishop_n and_o deacon_n who_o be_v with_o paul_n when_o he_o write_v that_o epistle_n as_o i_o tell_v you_o before_o so_o on_o 1_o tim._n 3._o timotheus_n episcopus_fw-la erat_fw-la and_o for_o augustine_n on_o psalm_n 45.16_o by_o father_n he_o mean_v the_o apostle_n and_o by_o the_o son_n the_o bishop_n who_o he_o say_v succeed_v to_o the_o apostle_n and_o contra_fw-la cresconium_fw-la lib._n 2._o cap._n 37._o ecclesiam_fw-la hierosolymitanam_fw-la primus_fw-la jacobus_n episcopatu_fw-la svo_fw-la rexit_fw-la i_o e._n james_n be_v the_o first_o bishop_n of_o jerusalem_n and_o epist_n 122._o he_o say_v divina_fw-la voce_fw-la laudatur_fw-la sub_fw-la angeli_fw-la nomine_fw-la praepositus_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la speak_v of_o the_o angel_n revel_v 2.3_o and_o contra_fw-la literas_fw-la petiliani_fw-la lib._n 2._o cap._n 51._o quid_fw-la tibi_fw-la fecit_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la romanae_fw-la cathedra_fw-la in_o qua_fw-la petrus_n sedit_fw-la &_o in_o qua_fw-la hodie_fw-la anastasius_n sedet_fw-la i._n e._n what_o ill_a have_v the_o chair_n of_o rome_n so_o he_o call_v the_o episcopal_a authority_n do_v to_o thou_o in_o which_o peter_n once_o do_v sit_v and_o in_o which_o anastasius_n now_o sit_v from_o these_o and_o the_o like_a passage_n in_o augustine_n we_o ma●_n know_v what_o his_o meaning_n be_v when_o write_v to_o jerome_n he_o say_v q●anquam_fw-la secundum_fw-la honorum_fw-la vocabula_fw-la quae_fw-la jam_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la usus_fw-la obtinuit_fw-la espiscopatus_n presbyterio_n major_a sit_v there_o he_o speak_v of_o the_o use_n of_o these_o word_n what_o it_o be_v at_o that_o time_n in_o respect_n of_o former_a time_n honorum_fw-la vocabula_fw-la clear_o show_v this_o then_o hear_v chrysostome_n on_o 1_o tim._n 4.14_o cum_fw-la impositione_n manuum_fw-la presbyterii_fw-la non_fw-la de_fw-la presbyteris_fw-la loquor_fw-la sed_fw-la de_fw-la episcopis_fw-la neque_fw-la enim_fw-la presbyteri_fw-la episcopum_fw-la timotheum_n ordinabant_fw-la i_o e._n that_o place_n speak_v not_o of_o presbyter_n but_o of_o bishop_n for_o presbyter_n do_v not_o ordain_v timothy_n who_o be_v a_o bishop_n sundry_a testimony_n may_v be_v produce_v out_o of_o other_o father_n deduce_v the_o original_n of_o bishop_n from_o the_o apostle_n or_o high_o cyprian_n be_v full_a to_o this_o purpose_n epist_n 27._o ad_fw-la lapsos_fw-la he_o say_v that_o episcopacy_n be_v found_v divina_fw-la lege_fw-la by_o the_o divine_a law_n and_o epist_n 68_o he_o call_v it_o traditio_fw-la divina_fw-la &_o observatio_fw-la apostolica_fw-la and_o for_o this_o adduce_v act._n 1.15_o quando_fw-la in_o ordinando_fw-la in_o locum_fw-la judae_fw-la episcopo_fw-la petrus_n ad_fw-la plebem_fw-la loquor_fw-la i_o e._n peter_n there_o speak_v to_o the_o people_n of_o ordain_v a_o bishop_n in_o the_o room_n of_o judas_n see_v also_o epist_n 69._o epist_n 42._o and_o epist_n 10_o 11_o 12._o &c_n &c_n d._n what_o antiquity_n say_v move_v 〈◊〉_d not_o nor_o resolve_v i_o in_o this_o matter_n to_o be_v conclude_v by_o father_n or_o council_n who_o wer●_n fallible_a or_o by_o apostolical_a tradition_n there_o be_v many_o corruption_n which_o creep_v into_o the_o church_n in_o the_o very_a infancy_n of_o it_o and_o be_v general_o receive_v as_o the_o millenary_a opinion_n and_o give_v the_o communion_n to_o infant_n i._o yet_o you_o can_v grip_v very_o close_o to_o the_o least_o shadow_n in_o antiquity_n which_o seem_v any_o way_n to_o make_v for_o you_o in_o this_o controversy_n and_o can_v manage_v it_o to_o your_o best_a advantage_n but_o when_o you_o say_v that_o you_o resolve_v not_o to_o be_v conclude_v by_o antiquity_n herein_o by_o this_o you_o clear_o confess_v that_o antiquity_n pinch_v you_o sore_o and_o you_o be_v like_a to_o be_v bear_v down_o by_o the_o stream_n of_o it_o tertullian_n say_v id_fw-la verius_fw-la quod_fw-la prius_fw-la id_fw-la prius_fw-la quod_fw-la ab_fw-la initio_fw-la ab_fw-la initio_fw-la id_fw-la quod_fw-la ab_fw-la apostolis_n id_fw-la ab_fw-la apostolis_n traditum_fw-la quod_fw-la apud_fw-la ecclesias_fw-la apostolorum_fw-la fuerat_fw-la sacro_fw-la sanctum_fw-la as_o for_o these_o corruption_n you_o name_n which_o early_o creep_v into_o the_o church_n they_o be_v not_o so_o general_o and_o universal_o receive_v as_o episcopacy_n be_v nor_o can_v they_o ever_o so_o clear_o deduce_v their_o original_a from_o the_o apostle_n d._n notwithstanding_o all_o you_o say_v to_o make_v bishop_n as_o ancient_a as_o the_o apostle_n yet_o the_o authority_n of_o those_o great_a protestant_n divine_n who_o have_v oppose_v episcopacy_n prevail_v much_o with_o one_o to_o suspect_v bishop_n can_v lay_v claim_n so_o high_a i_o suffer_v not_o your_o judgement_n to_o be_v captivate_v by_o the_o name_n or_o authority_n of_o any_o man_n without_o proof_n i_o fear_v there_o be_v too_o much_o implicit_a faith_n among_o we_o which_o we_o condemn_v in_o papist_n and_o beside_o may_v be_v the_o opposition_n of_o the_o most_o know_v and_o learned_a protestant_n to_o episcopacy_n be_v not_o so_o great_a as_o you_o imagine_v d._n what_o think_v you_o of_o calvin_n be_v not_o he_o much_o against_o episcopacy_n in_o his_o write_n as_o he_o be_v also_o in_o his_o practice_n when_o he_o live_v a_o minister_n at_o geneve_n in_o a_o even_o parity_n with_o the_o rest_n of_o his_o brethren_n there_o where_o presbyterian_a parity_n as_o it_o have_v be_v in_o pure_a primitive_a time_n be_v again_o revive_v i._o before_o you_o take_v the_o government_n of_o geneve_n to_o be_v a_o revive_n of_o primitive_a parity_n as_o you_o say_v it_o be_v fit_a you_o first_o solid_o answer_v all_o i_o have_v produce_v to_o show_v that_o from_o the_o apostle_n dounward_a there_o be_v always_o bishop_n over_o minister_n or_o presbyter_n even_o in_o the_o pure_a time_n i_o will_v not_o insist_v to_o show_v you_o that_o when_o geneve_n reform_v religion_n she_o have_v no_o purpose_n to_o put_v away_o episcopacy_n if_o it_o can_v have_v be_v preserve_v you_o may_v read_v durel_n view_n of_o government_n from_o pag._n 151._o to_o 161._o who_o will_v inform_v you_o in_o this_o nor_o will_v i_o debate_v whither_o calvin_n live_v in_o a_o even_o parity_n with_o the_o rest_n of_o his_o brethren_n only_o hear_v what_o mason_n apologize_v for_o the_o government_n of_o geneve_n defence_n of_o ordin_fw-fr pag._n 175._o speak_v of_o calvin_n and_o beza_n say_v they_o be_v choose_v to_o a_o place_n of_o eminency_n and_o endue_v with_o jurisdiction_n they_o have_v preeminence_n in_o every_o action_n and_o consequent_o in_o ordination_n none_o can_v with_o reason_n deny_v they_o the_o substance_n of_o the_o episcopal_a office_n this_o he_o speak_v of_o they_o in_o respect_n of_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o minister_n at_o geneve_n and_o b._n andrews_n resp_n 3._o ad_fw-la molineum_fw-la speak_v of_o calvin_n and_o beza_n say_v quid_fw-la attinet_fw-la abolere_fw-la nomen_fw-la retinere_fw-la rem_fw-la nam_fw-la illorum_fw-la uterque_fw-la dum_fw-la vixerunt_fw-la quid_fw-la erant_fw-la
nisi_fw-la abolito_fw-la nomine_fw-la re_fw-la ipsa_fw-la episcopi_fw-la i._o e._n to_o what_o purpose_n be_v it_o to_o abolish_v the_o name_n of_o bishop_n and_o retain_v the_o thing_n for_o both_o these_o calvin_n and_o 〈◊〉_d what_o be_v they_o while_o live_v but_o indeed_o bishop_n though_o without_o the_o name_n and_o be_v it_o not_o so_o even_o among_o ourselves_o when_o the_o name_n of_o bishop_n can_v not_o be_v endure_v a_o mere_a parity_n be_v hardly_o practicable_a any_o where_n unless_o it_o be_v in_o utopia_n now_o since_o you_o think_v calvin_n a_o great_a adversary_n to_o bishop_n a_o mistake_n that_o many_o be_v under_o i_o will_v produce_v some_o few_o place_n out_o of_o he_o to_o undeceive_v you_o institut_fw-la lib._n 4._o cap._n 4._o sect._n 2._o speak_v of_o the_o first_o bishop_n he_o cit_v jerom_n word_n add_v euagrium_n and_o then_o subjoin_v alibi_fw-la tamen_fw-la docet_fw-la quam_fw-la antiquum_fw-la fuerit_fw-la institutum_fw-la dicit_fw-la enim_fw-la alexandria_n a_o marco_n evangelista_n usque_fw-la ad_fw-la dionysium_fw-la etc._n etc._n i._n e._n nevertheless_o in_o another_o place_n i_o teach_v how_o ancient_a the_o institution_n of_o bishop_n be_v for_o he_o say_v that_o at_o alexandria_n from_o mark_n downward_o there_o be_v still_o a_o bishop_n etc._n etc._n where_o you_o see_v calvin_n pass_v that_o place_n of_o jerome_n that_o seem_v to_o make_v against_o the_o antiquity_n of_o bishop_n he_o rather_o lay_v hold_v on_o that_o other_o place_n that_o speak_v they_o as_o ancient_a as_o mark_v the_o evangelist_n and_o a_o little_a before_o calvin_n say_v bishop_n be_v bring_v into_o the_o church_n ne_fw-la ex_fw-la aequalitate_fw-la ut_fw-la fieri_fw-la solet_fw-la dissidia_fw-la nascerentur_fw-la observe_v this_o he_o say_v equality_n of_o minister_n breed_v strife_n and_o ut_fw-la fieri_fw-la solet_fw-la so_o it_o use_v to_o be_v and_o from_o these_o word_n of_o calvin_n we_o may_v collect_v that_o he_o give_v to_o the_o first_o bishop_n some_o superiority_n in_o power_n above_o the_o presbyter_n without_o which_o say_v he_o dissidia_fw-la nascerentur_fw-la strife_n will_v arise_v and_o so_o he_o make_v they_o more_o than_o mere_a moderator_n another_o passage_n of_o calvin_n i_o cite_v to_o you_o a_o little_a before_o institut_fw-la lib._n 4._o cap._n 4._o sect_n 4._o si_fw-mi rem_fw-la omisso_fw-la vocabulo_fw-la intueamur_fw-la reperiemus_fw-la etc._n etc._n and_o institut_fw-la lib._n 4._o cap._n 5._o sect._n 11._o supersunt_fw-la episcopi_fw-la &_o paraeciarum_fw-la rectores_fw-la qui_fw-la utinam_fw-la de_fw-fr retinendo_fw-la officio_fw-la contenderent_fw-la libenter_fw-la illis_fw-la concederemus_fw-la eos_fw-la habere_fw-la pium_fw-la &_o eximium_fw-la munus_fw-la i._n e._n now_o we_o be_v to_o speak_v of_o bishop_n who_o i_o wish_v will_v contend_v about_o the_o retain_v of_o their_o office_n we_o will_v willing_o grant_v unto_o they_o he_o be_v speak_v of_o the_o popish_a bishop_n that_o they_o have_v a_o holy_a and_o excellemt_a office_n if_o they_o will_v right_o discharge_v it_o where_o you_o see_v he_o call_v the_o office_n pium_fw-la &_o eximium_fw-la munus_fw-la holy_a and_o excellent_a and_o again_o a_o little_a after_o show_v how_o when_o it_o be_v object_v to_o the_o papist_n that_o their_o regnum_fw-la i._n e._n church_n government_n as_o manage_v by_o they_o be_v antichristian_a tyranny_n they_o answer_v it_o be_v that_o venerable_a hierarchy_n so_o much_o and_o often_o commend_v by_o holy_a and_o great_a man_n which_o answer_n of_o they_o he_o repel_v thus_o sect._n 13._o quasi_fw-la vero_fw-la sancti_fw-la patres_fw-la quum_fw-la ecclesiasticam_fw-la hierarchiam_fw-la aut_fw-la spiritual_fw-la regimen_fw-la ut_fw-la ipsis_fw-la per_fw-la manus_fw-la ab_fw-la apostolis_n traditum_fw-la erat_fw-la commendarent_fw-la hoc_fw-la deform_v &_o vastitatis_fw-la plenum_fw-la chaos_n somniarent_fw-la ubi_fw-la episcopi_fw-la vel_fw-la rudes_fw-la etc._n etc._n i._n e._n as_o if_o forsooth_o the_o holy_a father_n when_o they_o commend_v that_o ecclesiastical_a hierarchy_n as_o it_o be_v deliver_v or_o hand_v unto_o they_o from_o the_o apostle_n do_v mean_v it_o of_o your_o deform_a government_n where_o you_o see_v he_o say_v that_o the_o ancient_a episcopacy_n be_v deliver_v down_o to_o the_o father_n per_fw-la manus_fw-la ab_fw-la apostolis_n from_o the_o apostle_n hand_n or_o from_o the_o apostle_n by_o hand_n to_o hand_n and_o on_o titus_n 1.5_o he_o say_v we_o may_v learn_v from_o that_o text_n that_o then_o there_o be_v not_o such_o a_o equality_n among_o the_o minister_n of_o the_o church_n quin_fw-la unus_fw-la aliquis_fw-la authoritate_fw-la &_o consilio_fw-la praesset_fw-la i._n e._n but_o that_o some_o one_o person_n be_v in_o authority_n and_o counsel_n above_o the_o rest_n and_o in_o a_o long_a letter_n of_o he_o to_o a_o old_a friend_n who_o now_o be_v make_v a_o bishop_n in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n veteri_fw-la amico_fw-la nunc_fw-la praesuli_fw-la it_o be_v to_o be_v find_v in_o the_o volume_n of_o his_o opuscula_fw-la pag._n 72._o he_o say_v episcoparus_fw-la ipse_fw-la a_o deo_fw-la profectus_fw-la est_fw-la episcopacy_n itself_o be_v from_o god_n &_o institutus_fw-la and_o institute_v by_o god_n and_o within_o a_o few_o line_n after_o add_v in_o aestimando_fw-la episcopi_fw-la munere_fw-la neque_fw-la recte_fw-la neque_fw-la tuto_fw-la credi_fw-la populo_fw-la judicium_fw-la unius_fw-la dei_fw-la esse_fw-la audiendum_fw-la cujus_fw-la &_o authoritate_fw-la est_fw-la constitutum_fw-la illud_fw-la &_o legibus_fw-la definitum_fw-la i._n e._n in_o esteem_v of_o the_o episcopal_a office_n we_o must_v not_o regard_v the_o people_n judgement_n but_o god_n only_o by_o who_o authority_n it_o be_v constitute_v etc._n etc._n and_o sundry_a other_o clear_a testimony_n in_o that_o epistle_n which_o be_v tedious_a here_o to_o recite_v there_o he_o speak_v not_o one_o word_n against_o the_o office_n of_o a_o bishop_n but_o only_o against_o the_o abuse_n of_o it_o in_o the_o romish_a church_n in_o one_o place_n of_o it_o he_o say_v omnino_fw-la tibi_fw-la sane_fw-la quod_fw-la ab_fw-la episcopo_fw-la requiritur_fw-la praestandum_fw-la aut_fw-la feed_v episcopi_fw-la deserenda_fw-la i._n e._n either_o do_v the_o duty_n of_o a_o bishop_n or_o leave_v the_o bishop_n seat_n he_o will_v he_o not_o to_o leave_v it_o on_o any_o term_n no_o but_o if_o he_o mind_v to_o be_v faithful_a keep_v it_o still_o and_o in_o a_o epistle_n of_o he_o to_o the_o king_n of_o poland_n he_o approve_v of_o all_o the_o degree_n of_o the_o hierarchy_n in_o the_o ancient_a church_n even_o unto_o patriarch_n and_o in_o a_o long_a epistle_n to_o the_o duke_n of_o somerset_n protector_n of_o england_n in_o edward_n the_o six_o his_o minority_n as_o it_o be_v cite_v by_o durel_n view_v of_o govern._n pag._n 165._o give_v his_o advice_n anent_o reform_v of_o many_o thing_n in_o religion_n yet_o never_o advise_v to_o remove_v episcopacy_n out_o of_o the_o english_a church_n which_o have_v he_o be_v of_o your_o opinion_n he_o will_v not_o have_v fail_v to_o have_v do_v only_o he_o advise_v that_o both_o bishop_n and_o minister_n be_v put_v to_o swear_v they_o shall_v deliver_v no_o other_o doctrine_n but_o such_o as_o be_v contain_v in_o the_o article_n of_o religion_n and_o what_o be_v worthy_a the_o observe_n in_o that_o letter_n he_o say_v audio_fw-la esse_fw-la duo_fw-la seditiosorum_fw-la genera_fw-la quae_fw-la adversus_fw-la regem_fw-la &_o regni_fw-la statum_fw-la caput_fw-la extulerunt_fw-la alij_fw-la enim_fw-la cerebrosi_fw-la quidem_fw-la viz._n sub_fw-la evangelij_fw-la nomine_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d passim_fw-la invectam_fw-la vellent_fw-la alij_fw-la vero_fw-la in_o superstitionibus_fw-la antichristi_fw-la obdurantur_fw-la ac_fw-la merentur_fw-la quidem_fw-la tum_fw-la hi_o tum_fw-la illi_fw-la gladio_fw-la ultore_fw-la coerceri_fw-la i._n e._n i_o hear_v there_o be_v two_o sort_n of_o seditious_a person_n who_o have_v get_v up_o the_o head_n against_o the_o king_n and_o state_n of_o the_o kingdom_n the_o first_o a_o kind_n of_o heady_a humorous_a people_n who_o under_o pretence_n of_o the_o gospel_n will_v bring_v in_o confusion_n and_o disorder_v every_o where_n the_o other_o be_v such_o who_o be_v harden_v in_o their_o antichristian_a superstition_n and_o these_o in_o authority_n shall_v restrain_v both_o now_o how_o near_o what_o he_o say_v of_o the_o first_o sort_n may_v touch_v yourselves_o i_o leave_v it_o to_o your_o consideration_n there_o be_v one_o passage_n more_o in_o calvin_n i_o can_v ommit_v in_o his_o treatise_n to_o the_o emperor_n charles_n the_o five_o and_o state_n of_o the_o empire_n entitle_v the_o necessitate_v reformandae_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la speak_v of_o the_o popish_a bishop_n he_o say_v talem_fw-la nobis_fw-la si_fw-la hierarchiam_fw-la exhibeant_fw-la in_fw-la qua_fw-la sic_fw-la emineant_fw-la episcopi_fw-la ut_fw-la christo_fw-la subesse_fw-la non_fw-la recusent_fw-la &_o ab_fw-la illo_fw-la tanquam_fw-la unico_fw-la capite_fw-la pendeant_fw-la &_o ad_fw-la ipsum_fw-la referantur_fw-la in_fw-la qua_fw-la sic_fw-la inter_fw-la se_fw-la fraternam_fw-la societatem_fw-la colant_fw-la ut_fw-la non_fw-la alio_fw-la nodo_fw-la quam_fw-la ejus_fw-la veritate_fw-la sint_fw-la colligati_fw-la tum_fw-la vero_fw-la
be_v speak_v of_o the_o duty_n of_o christian_n in_o separate_v from_o idolater_n and_o heathen_n in_o their_o idolatry_n and_o ungodlie_a fellowship_n not_o of_o withdraw_v from_o christian_a assembly_n in_o 1_o cor._n 5.11_o and_o 2_o thes_n 3.6_o he_o tell_v christian_n their_o duty_n not_o to_o keep_v needless_a fellowship_n in_o their_o private_a converse_n with_o such_o as_o be_v scandalous_a but_o bid_v they_o not_o withdraw_v from_o the_o public_a worship_n of_o god_n even_o though_o there_o be_v scandalous_a person_n there_o wicked_a scandalous_a person_n pollute_v not_o the_o ordinance_n to_o we_o nor_o be_v their_o presence_n at_o the_o ordinance_n a_o ground_n for_o we_o to_o separate_a though_o it_o may_v be_v the_o fault_n of_o church_n guide_v if_o they_o be_v careless_a in_o keep_v they_o back_o from_o such_o of_o the_o ordinance_n as_o they_o have_v no_o right_n to_o rev._n 18.3_o be_v ordinary_o expound_v by_o protestant_n of_o leave_v the_o idolatrous_a worship_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n where_o doctrine_n also_o be_v much_o corrupt_v but_o give_v no_o warrant_n to_o separate_a from_o a_o sound_a church_n where_o no_o such_o corruption_n be_v d._n we_o think_v we_o have_v better_a reason_n to_o charge_v you_o with_o schism_n than_o you_o have_v to_o charge_v we_o for_o you_o have_v depart_v from_o the_o government_n of_o this_o church_n by_o presbytrie_n to_o which_o we_o still_o adhere_v so_o that_o you_o have_v make_v the_o schism_n from_o we_o not_o we_o from_o you_o i._o what_o little_a ground_n you_o have_v to_o charge_v we_o with_o schism_n in_o respect_n of_o government_n may_v appear_v if_o you_o consider_v 1._o that_o our_o sumbit_v to_o the_o present_a government_n by_o bishop_n be_v in_o obedience_n to_o the_o command_n of_o our_o superior_n who_o both_o you_o and_o we_o be_v bind_v to_o obey_v in_o thing_n in_o themselves_o not_o sinful_a so_o that_o our_o submission_n be_v duty_n and_o your_o non-submission_n be_v both_o disobedience_n and_o schism_n disobedience_n to_o authority_n schism_n from_o the_o body_n of_o the_o church_n 2_o if_o you_o will_v consider_v that_o episcopacy_n as_o at_o some_o length_n i_o show_v in_o our_o first_o conference_n be_v the_o only_a government_n of_o the_o church_n leave_v by_o christ_n and_o his_o apostle_n and_o practise_v in_o the_o first_o and_o pure_a time_n after_o they_o and_o so_o downward_o not_o we_o who_o now_o submit_v to_o this_o government_n be_v the_o schismatic_n but_o you_o who_o refuse_v submission_n to_o it_o hereby_o you_o be_v guilty_a of_o schism_n from_o the_o whole_a primitive_a time_n alswell_o as_o from_o we_o but_o beside_o when_o we_o charge_v you_o with_o schism_n we_o mean_v it_o not_o only_o nor_o main_o of_o schism_n in_o respect_n of_o government_n but_o of_o your_o divide_n and_o separate_n from_o our_o christian_a assembly_n especial_o and_o divine_a worship_n there_o perform_v which_o indeed_o be_v a_o great_a schism_n even_o suppose_v there_o be_v many_o thing_n wrong_v among_o we_o that_o need_v amendment_n i_o pray_v you_o consider_v i_o hope_v you_o will_v not_o say_v we_o have_v depart_v more_o from_o you_o and_o from_o the_o truth_n than_o the_o scribe_n and_o pharisee_n and_o the_o jewish_a church_n under_o they_o have_v depart_v from_o moses_n law_n in_o christ_n time_n and_o yet_o neither_o christ_n nor_o the_o godly_a at_o that_o time_n such_o as_o simeon_n and_o anna_n zacharias_n and_o elizabeth_n joseph_n and_o mary_n with_o many_o other_o think_v themselves_o oblige_v to_o separate_v from_o that_o church_n alace_o then_o how_o will_v you_o be_v able_a to_o justify_v this_o separation_n of_o you_o d._n your_o minister_n lecture_n not_o to_o the_o people_n therefore_o we_o will_v not_o hear_v they_o i._o some_o among_o we_o do_v continue_v to_o lecture_n but_o that_o do_v not_o keep_v the_o people_n from_o the_o disease_n of_o the_o time_n separation_n 2._o we_o have_v the_o scripture_n public_o read_v in_o the_o church_n which_o be_v a_o very_a ancient_a practice_n both_o in_o the_o jewish_a and_o christian_a church_n the_o jew_n have_v the_o five_o book_n of_o moses_n or_o pentatuch_n which_o be_v common_o call_v the_o law_n divide_v into_o 53._o section_n by_o ezra_n as_o some_o think_v and_o every_o sabbath_n day_n one_o of_o those_o section_n together_o with_o a_o part_n of_o the_o prophet_n be_v read_v in_o the_o synagogue_n see_v act._n 13._o vers_fw-la 15_o 27._o and_o act._n 15.21_o and_o that_o there_o be_v lecture_n that_o be_v reader_n in_o the_o ancient_a christian_a church_n be_v well_o know_v so_o that_o you_o who_o on_o this_o ground_n separate_a now_o will_v have_v separate_a from_o the_o church_n in_o all_o age_n 3._o lecture_n as_o now_o use_v have_v no_o authority_n from_o the_o church_n nor_o ever_o have_v for_o they_o be_v not_o according_a to_o the_o first_o appointment_n which_o be_v that_o the_o minister_n shall_v read_v a_o chapter_n in_o the_o old_a testament_n and_o another_o in_o the_o new_a and_o where_o any_o difficult_a place_n occur_v brief_o give_v the_o meaning_n without_o any_o more_o but_o that_o way_n be_v soon_o leave_v and_o minister_n hold_v with_o one_o chapter_n and_o many_o with_o a_o part_n of_o one_o and_o not_o only_o expound_v but_o also_o raise_v practical_a observation_n so_o that_o in_o effect_n as_o some_o have_v express_v it_o the_o lecture_n come_v to_o be_v a_o short_a sermon_n on_o a_o long_a text_n and_o indeed_o a_o lecture_n and_o a_o sermon_n after_o it_o be_v two_o sermon_n at_o one_o diet_n and_o they_o that_o separate_v for_o want_v of_o this_o will_v for_o the_o same_o reason_n separate_v from_o one_o who_o use_v short_a sermon_n to_o another_o who_o preach_v long_o and_o yet_o long_o tedious_a sermon_n be_v judge_v less_o edify_a caeteris_fw-la paribus_fw-la and_o it_o may_v be_v a_o question_n whither_o it_o be_v not_o fit_a for_o people_n edification_n to_o hold_v they_o with_o one_o sermon_n at_o one_o diet_n than_o to_o give_v they_o two_o consider_v their_o forgetfulness_n when_o a_o great_a variety_n of_o purpose_n be_v accumulat_fw-la one_o thing_n put_v out_o another_o and_o consider_v their_o dulness_n and_o backwardness_n to_o receive_v divine_a thing_n and_o how_o soon_o corrupt_a nature_n will_v weary_v and_o sit_v up_o when_o about_o these_o exercise_n be_v it_o not_o safe_a to_o hold_v with_o a_o few_o thing_n and_o press_v they_o home_o at_o one_o time_n therefore_o that_o ancient_a christian_a pembo_fw-mi a_o unlearned_a man_n record_v in_o church_n historie_n desire_v another_o to_o learn_v he_o a_o part_n of_o a_o psalm_n and_o have_v hear_v the_o first_o verse_n of_o the_o 39_o psalm_n read_v will_v hear_v no_o more_o say_v it_o be_v a_o lesson_n great_a enough_o at_o that_o time_n and_o a_o long_a time_n after_o that_o another_o ask_v he_o if_o he_o be_v yet_o ready_a for_o another_o lesson_n he_o answer_v no_o for_o he_o have_v not_o sufficient_o learn_v his_o first_o lesson_n 4._o suppose_v our_o want_n of_o lecture_n be_v a_o fault_n yet_o i_o tell_v you_o every_o fault_n or_o neglect_n in_o a_o church_n be_v not_o a_o ground_n to_o separate_a from_o she_o and_o know_v you_o not_o that_o the_o ancient_a jewish_a church_n some_o time_n want_v ordinance_n even_o of_o divine_a institution_n and_o that_o for_o a_o long_a time_n together_o as_o circumcision_n the_o pasover_n etc._n etc._n and_o will_v any_o say_v she_o ought_v therefore_o to_o have_v be_v separate_v from_o 5._o on_o this_o ground_n of_o you_o you_o will_v separate_v from_o all_o the_o protestant_a church_n in_o the_o world_n at_o this_o day_n in_o none_o of_o which_o you_o will_v find_v a_o lecture_n yea_o you_o will_v have_v separate_a from_o the_o church_n of_o scotland_n ever_o till_o about_o the_o year_n 1645._o for_o till_o than_o we_o have_v no_o lecture_n i_o can_v wish_v indeed_o all_o our_o sermon_n be_v more_o like_a lecture_n as_o lecture_n have_v be_v and_o be_v by_o some_o use_v that_o be_v that_o minister_n will_v take_v long_a text_n and_o reduce_v they_o into_o some_o few_o point_n especial_o insist_v on_o the_o scope_n as_o be_v usual_a in_o church_n abroad_o i_o make_v no_o doubt_n people_n will_v please_v this_o way_n better_o and_o retain_v more_o of_o what_o be_v speak_v than_o when_o minister_n confine_v themselves_o to_o short_a text_n and_o then_o too_o oft_o rack_v both_o the_o text_n and_o their_o own_o brain_n seek_v matter_n to_o hold_v out_o the_o time_n with_o but_o herein_o i_o only_o give_v my_o own_o judgement_n d._n there_o be_v another_o thing_n yet_o keep_v i_o back_o from_o join_v with_o you_o in_o your_o assembly_n for_o divine_a worship_n if_o i_o shall_v join_v with_o you_o many_o good_a people_n will_v be_v offend_v who_o look_v upon_o hear_v among_o you_o to_o be_v a_o
very_a hard_a think_v you_o d._n if_o the_o father_n oath_n can_v bind_v the_o child_n what_o say_v you_o to_o the_o baptismal_a vow_n where_o the_o father_n vow_v for_o the_o child_n and_o that_o vow_n oblige_v the_o child_n when_o he_o grow_v up_o i._o the_o father_n at_o baptism_n do_v not_o formal_o bind_v in_o the_o name_n and_o room_n of_o the_o child_n he_o only_o bind_v for_o his_o own_o part_n that_o he_o shall_v bring_v up_o the_o child_n as_o become_v a_o christian_n parent_n and_o mind_n he_o of_o his_o baptismal_a vow_n when_o he_o come_v to_o year_n indeed_o the_o child_n come_v under_o a_o vow_n at_o baptism_n which_o arise_v from_o the_o bind_a matter_n which_o in_o itself_o be_v obligatory_a and_o from_o the_o nature_n of_o the_o sacrament_n in_o which_o the_o lord_n and_o the_o party_n baptise_a do_v covenant_n and_o this_o make_v the_o child_n obligation_n so_o much_o the_o strong_a when_o his_o vow_n be_v superad_v to_o the_o matter_n which_o be_v of_o itself_o bind_v like_o that_o psal_n 119._o vers_fw-la 106._o d._n yet_o those_o person_n who_o take_v the_o covenant_n be_v bind_v never_o to_o acknowledge_v the_o bishop_n and_o now_o after_o they_o have_v swear_v they_o must_v not_o anymore_o dispute_v or_o question_v the_o obligation_n of_o the_o oath_n for_o prov._n 20._o vers_fw-la 25._o it_o be_v a_o snare_n after_o vow_n to_o make_v inquiry_n i._o solomon_n there_o speak_v of_o those_o who_o sacrilegious_o meddle_v with_o thing_n consecrate_v and_o will_v pervert_v they_o to_o their_o own_o private_a use_n and_o who_o that_o they_o may_v do_v it_o the_o better_a make_v enquiry_n how_o the_o vow_n may_v be_v elude_v by_o which_o those_o thing_n be_v consecrate_v questionless_a it_o be_v a_o snare_n to_o make_v inquiry_n out_o of_o such_o sacrilegious_a design_n but_o solomon_n mean_v not_o that_o it_o be_v simple_o and_o in_o every_o case_n unlawful_a after_o we_o have_v vow_v or_o swear_v a_o oath_n to_o inquire_v whither_o our_o vow_n or_o oath_n be_v in_o every_o case_n bind_v yea_o or_o not_o otherwise_o you_o shall_v lay_v a_o very_a great_a snare_n indeed_o upon_o such_o as_o tie_v themselves_o with_o a_o rash_a or_o sinful_a oath_n if_o you_o will_v not_o allow_v they_o to_o reflect_v on_o what_o they_o have_v do_v what!_o i_o pray_v you_o have_v it_o be_v a_o fault_n in_o herod_n to_o have_v make_v enquiry_n after_o his_o rash_a oath_n to_o herodias_n and_o to_o have_v retract_v it_o too_o or_o for_o those_o who_o bind_v themselves_o under_o a_o curse_n they_o will_v neither_o eat_v nor_o drink_v until_o they_o have_v kill_v paul_n very_o i_o think_v there_o shall_v be_v liberty_n allow_v to_o many_o who_o do_v swear_v the_o covenant_n to_o make_v enquiry_n if_o there_o be_v no_o reason_n but_o this_o because_o many_o take_v it_o when_o they_o be_v very_o young_a at_o school_n and_o college_n and_o so_o by_o reason_n of_o none_o age_n can_v very_o little_a judge_n of_o the_o nature_n of_o a_o oath_n and_o far_o less_o of_o the_o matter_n abjure_v and_o so_o do_v not_o swear_v in_o judgement_n contrary_a to_o jerem._n 4._o vers_fw-la 2._o such_o have_v even_o but_o reason_n to_o make_v a_o review_n when_o they_o come_v to_o be_v better_a able_a to_o judge_v d._n it_o may_v be_v so_o yet_o i_o think_v when_o they_o have_v inquire_v they_o shall_v find_v themselves_o bind_v against_o prelacy_n by_o a_o double_a tie_n viz._n the_o national_a covenant_n and_o the_o league_n i._o you_o think_v episcopacy_n be_v abjure_v in_o the_o national_a covenant_n under_o the_o name_n of_o the_o pope_n wicked_a hierarchy_n but_o protestant_a episcopacy_n be_v not_o there_o mean_v as_o the_o author_n of_o the_o survey_n of_o naphtaly_n full_o show_v part_v 2._o from_o pag._n 114._o to_o 130._o 1._o because_o king_n james_n and_o his_o council_n who_o be_v the_o imposer_n of_o that_o covenant_n and_o take_v it_o themselves_o anno_fw-la 1580._o do_v the_o very_a next_o year_n after_o 1581._o ratify_v the_o agreement_n make_v at_o leith_n betwixt_o the_o commissioner_n of_o state_n and_o church_n anno_fw-la 1571._o which_o agreement_n be_v in_o favour_n of_o episcopacy_n now_o if_o the_o king_n and_o his_o council_n have_v by_o the_o popish_a hierarchy_n mean_v all_o kind_n of_o episcopacy_n be_v it_o probable_a that_o the_o very_o next_o year_n they_o will_v by_o that_o ratification_n have_v act_v so_o palpable_o contrary_a to_o the_o covenant_n so_o late_o take_v by_o themselves_o and_o impose_v upon_o the_o land_n by_o their_o authority_n 2._o that_o protestant_a episcopacy_n be_v not_o mean_v appear_v from_o this_o because_o in_o all_o the_o strive_n the_o church_n in_o those_o time_n have_v with_o the_o king_n to_o get_v he_o to_o put_v away_o bishop_n even_o after_o the_o take_n of_o that_o covenant_n we_o never_o find_v this_o use_v as_o a_o argument_n to_o persuade_v the_o king_n because_o all_o episcopacy_n be_v abjure_v in_o the_o covenant_n which_o reason_n no_o doubt_n will_v much_o have_v be_v insist_v on_o if_o minister_n then_o have_v think_v all_o kind_n of_o episcopacy_n to_o be_v mean_v by_o the_o pope_n wicked_a hierarchy_n and_o their_o not_o use_v this_o argument_n may_v be_v very_o convince_a to_o any_o that_o by_o the_o pope_n hierarchy_n no_o episcopacy_n can_v be_v mean_v but_o such_o as_o depend_v upon_o the_o pope_n for_o i_o suppose_v the_o minister_n of_o that_o time_n be_v not_o ignorant_a of_o the_o meaning_n of_o these_o word_n of_o the_o covenant_n i_o also_o tell_v you_o at_o our_o last_o meeting_n that_o beza_n profess_v be_v never_o intend_v to_o write_v against_o protestant_a bishop_n d._n what_o can_v the_o popish_a hierarchy_n be_v mean_v of_o if_o not_o of_o bishop_n i._o the_o pop_n hierarchy_n be_v mean_v of_o popish_a bishop_n who_o actual_o depend_v on_o the_o pope_n but_o can_v no_o more_o be_v mean_v of_o protestant_a reform_v bishop_n who_o have_v renounce_v their_o dependence_n upon_o the_o pope_n then_o of_o reform_a presbyter_n or_o minister_n and_o deacon_n otherwise_o according_a to_o you_o all_o minister_n and_o deacon_n shall_v be_v abjure_v there_o all_o be_v well_o as_o all_o bishop_n because_o presbyter_n and_o deacon_n be_v part_n of_o their_o hierarchy_n as_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n determine_v d._n the_o apologetical_a narration_n pag._n 395._o say_v all_o bishop_n depend_v upon_o the_o pope_n therefore_o all_o kind_n of_o episcopacy_n be_v popish_a and_o as_o such_o abjure_v in_o that_o covenant_n i._o he_o say_v indeed_o all_o bishop_n in_o esse_fw-la &_o operari_fw-la depend_v on_o the_o pope_n but_o how_o prove_v he_o it_o because_o say_v he_o the_o pope_n acknowledge_v they_o depend_v on_o he_o alone_o and_o have_v no_o other_o ground_n to_o stand_v upon_o now_o what_o a_o poor_a because_o this_o be_v and_o how_o weak_o reason_v from_o the_o pope_n say_v so_o ipse_fw-la dixit_fw-la be_v too_o evident_a to_o any_o ordinary_a capacity_n the_o apologist_n reason_v like_o a_o papist_n that_o maintain_v the_o pope_n infallibility_n and_o give_v he_o that_o advantage_n of_o his_o arrogate_a supremacy_n and_o usurpation_n over_o all_o bishop_n in_o the_o christian_a world_n now_o and_o from_o the_o beginning_n as_o if_o the_o very_a first_o bishop_n in_o the_o primitive_a time_n have_v depend_v on_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n the_o pope_n crave_v no_o better_a than_o this_o but_o herein_o protestant_n oppose_v his_o usurp_a supremacy_n and_o show_v from_o antiquity_n that_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n have_v be_v oppose_v by_o council_n and_o father_n when_o first_o they_o attempt_v the_o supremacy_n remember_v what_o i_o cite_v to_o you_o from_o calvin_n at_o our_o last_o meeting_n talem_fw-la si_fw-la nobis_fw-la hierarchiam_fw-la exhibeant_fw-la in_o qua_fw-la episcopi_fw-la a_o christo_fw-la ut_fw-la unico_fw-la capite_fw-la dependeant_fw-la tum_fw-la nullo_n non_fw-la anathemate_fw-la &c_n &c_n calvin_n think_v they_o worthy_a of_o a_o curse_n who_o will_v not_o submit_v to_o such_o bishop_n who_o renounce_v the_o pope_n take_v christ_n for_o their_o head_n the_o minister_n who_o do_v dispute_v with_o the_o doctor_n of_o aberdeen_n declare_v that_o the_o doctor_n may_v take_v the_o national_a covenant_n and_o notwithstanding_o debate_n and_o vote_n for_o episcopacy_n in_o a_o free_a assembly_n it_o seem_v than_o they_o think_v by_o the_o pope_n hierarchy_n all_o kind_n of_o episcopacy_n not_o necessary_o mean_v d._n but_o the_o assembly_n at_o glasgow_n anno_fw-la 1638._o have_v put_v the_o matter_n out_o of_o doubt_n and_o by_o their_o authority_n expound_v the_o pope_n hierarchy_n to_o be_v mean_v of_o all_o episcopacy_n and_o so_o all_o episcopacy_n be_v abjure_v in_o that_o covenant_n i._o you_o will_v all_o along_o remember_v in_o this_o debate_n that_o at_o our_o last_o conference_n i_o show_v you_o episcopacy_n have_v a_o divine_a or_o