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A20683 A defence of church gouernment Dedicated to the high Court of Parliament. Wherein, the church gouernment established in England, is directly proued to be consonant to the word of God, and that subiects ought of dutie to conforme themselues to the state ecclesiasticall. Together with, a defence of the crosse in baptisme; as it is vsed in our Church, being not repugnant to the word: and by a consequent, the brethren which are silenced, ought to subscribe vnto it, rather then to burie their talents in the ground. By Iohn Doue, Doctour of Diuinity. Dove, John, 1560 or 61-1618. 1606 (1606) STC 7081; ESTC S110107 58,733 80

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si transferatur Concilij Niceni 1. Can 15. 16. mitti debet ad ciuitatem vbi primò ora●â●us fuit It is against the Canons that Bishops Priests Deacons should bee translated and therefore if any be so translated let them be dismissed and sent backe to the places to which they were first appointed And Qui discedit ab Ecclesiâ fibi commissa ad aliam excommunicetur reuerti cogatur Who so remoueth from one Church to another let him be excommunicated forced to his first charge But these are the ordinances of men we find nothing in the word of God why Bishops may not be translated neither doth it followe that Timothy and Titus were not to be reckoned for Bishops because they remoued from one place to another Last of all Patriarchical Churches saith he beganne sometimes before the councell of Nice I answer therefore they are of more credit then the Presbyterie which beganne but with Maister Caluin And as for that Councell it was in the pure age of the primitiue Church before corruption crept in it was the first general councell and therefore of greater authoritie called by the Emperour and not by the Pope and therefore freest from suspition a Greeke and not a Latine Councel therefore more sincere And whereas it seemeth to him that patriarchical Bishops began but sometime before the Councell of Nice it seemeth to the Councel it selfe that they began long before because the Canon it selfe speaketh in this manner Seruetur antiqua consuetudo vt Episcopus Alexandrinus habeat potestatem in Aegyptum Pentapolin Libiam quià Episcopo Concil Nicen 1. Can. 6. Romano parilis mos est sie apud Antiochiam ceteras Ecclesias sua priuilegia seruentur Let the ancient custome be kept that the Bishop of Alexandria haue his iurisdiction ouer Aegypt Pentapolis and Libia because the Bishop of Rome hath the like custome so let the Church of Antiochia and other Churches keepe their priuiledges But if patriarchicall churches be of such reuerend antiquitie and allowed of by so venerable a councell that maketh much for the credite and dignitie of Diocesan churches which are more ancient and of lesse iurisdiction and not so subiect to enuie and nere vnto Papacie as the Patriarchicall churches are It cannot be denied but the Fathers which were presēt in that Councel were prouincial Diocesan and patriarchicall Bishops ruling by their sole authoritie And concerning the credit of that councell with the other three following which were oecumenicall as that was Gregory affirmeth that their doctrine and decrees were consonant to the writings of the 4. Euangelists and no way to be impeached And Maister Iacob his owne Doctor whom hee Grëg li. 1. epist 24. Pag. 31. Respons ad 4. Campiani rationem calleth the reuerend Maister Whitaker giueth as large a testimonie of them saying Et nos illorum quatuor Conciliorum saluberimam fuisse authoritatem planissimè confitemur Maister Iacob therefore must either denie the authoritie of his own Doctor and of this Councell which no learned man will doe or else subscribe to the state of Diocesan Bishops ruling by their sole authoritie which hitherto he hath impugned Of Cathedrall Churches IN defence of Cathedrall Churches wee haue to alledge Platima dè vitis Pontificū Carion in ann●l monar that till the time of Dionysius Pope of Rome no other kinde of Church ministeriall was euer heard of from the beginning of the world For from Adam to Moses there was no Church ministeriall at all In Moses his time a Tabernacle was erected by Gods commandement which stood in steede of a Church for all the land of Iudaea and was to be caried vp and downe vntill the dayes of Solomon But Solomon erected Exed 25. 40. Act 7. 44 2. Sam 7. 6. Act. 7 47. a Temple as a standing church at Ierusalem to be in the place of the Tabernacle And vntill the time of the Gospell there was no other Church for Gods people through the whole world And that Church was more then Diocesan or Prouinciall for it was Nationall After the Gospell was preached to the Gentiles al nations were conuerted sundry churches ministeriall were erected according to the number of the Bishops so that euery Bishop had his Church after the imitation of the Iewes which hauing but one Bishoprik had also but one Church for that whole nation vntill afterward humane politie vnder Dionysius the Pope deuised parish churches and diuided euery Bishoprik into particular constant congregations which were but members of the Diocesan and prouinciall Churches But saith Maister Iacob Although the Iewish Church were nationall vnder one Bishop or high Priest according to Gods ordinance yet now vnder the Gospell our Sauiour Christ hath changed that forme of gouernment into parochiall Churches which are euery one a particular congregation and euery particular congregation is a diuided body by it selfe and of it selfe a visible Church and being absolute of it selfe ought to vse within it selfe proper Ecclesiasticall gouernment So then two things rest to be proued by him first that euery particular congregation is a diuided body of it selfe and secondly that euery particular congregation is to vse gouernment of it selfe without reference vnto any other aboue it selfe The first hee would proue by this argument There was saith he but one Church at Corinth because the Apostle saith When the whole church is come together in one place c. And the same may be affirmed of Rome Antioch Ierusalem and the other 1. Cor. 14. 23. cities therefore in euery of these cities though they were so populous yet the beleeuers were so fewe that they all assembled in one place Againe saith he Ignatius perswading the Church of Philadelphia to concorde writeth I exhort you to vse one faith one preaching one supper of the Lord for there is Ignatius ad philad but en thusiasterion pase te ecclesia one communion Table to the whole church HERE IN THIS CITIE For answer whereof I deny his argument for a man may in the like manner write to the Citizens of London dwelling in Bowe parish when your whole Church is come together and so to them which dwell in any other parish though there be many other Churches in London and they not diuided bodies absolute of themselues but all subordinate vnto and members of that Church which belongeth to the whole Diocese And so I answer to Ignatius his wordes euery one of them haue one communion Table not euery one collectiue but distributiue not iointly but seuerally But whervnto Ignatius his words he addeth his owne words HERE IN THIS CITIE he dealeth not ingenuously For these words which he alledgeth out of Ignatius as he alledgeth thē do not import that that whole citie should haue but one Communion Table and by a consequent but one church but that the citie might haue many churches and euery church his proper Communion Table as with vs in this Citie And