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A15668 Propositions made by Monsieur Vander Hurst at the assembly of the Generall States of the Vnited Prouinces vpon the 13. of Ianuarie, 1608 With the answer of the sayd Generall States giuen vnto the sayd Monsieur Vander Hurst, touching the said propositions. And also a declaration made and sent by the said States Generall vnto all the prouinces and townes vnder their gouernment, touching peace to be made: printed 1608. The finall answer made by the said Generall States of the Vnited Prouinces vnto the Commissioners for the King of Spaine and the Archduke, assembled in the Hague, concerning peace to be made, 1608.; Propositie vanden Heere vander Horst, ghedaen ende ghepresenteert ter vergaderinge vande ... Staten der Vereenighde Nederlanden den xiiien. Januarii 1607. English Wittenhorst, Walraven van, d. 1623.; United Provinces of the Netherlands. Staten Generaal. 1609 (1609) STC 25934; ESTC S120242 9,351 22

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eighteenth of March in the yeere aforesaid the last of them containing these words in effect And for that the aforesaid Arch-duke our brother hath promised to make the said Treatie and thereupon to deliuer vnto the said States our letters of ratification and the like declaration with all generall and particular renuntiations and promises as the cause requireth Wee vpon ripe deliberation and aduice vpon our certaine knowledge and absolute kingly power for the holding and performing of the said promise and the assuring of the principall Treatie of Peace or of a long Truce to be made doe by these presents make the like declaration vnto the States aforesaid that our brother hath made whereof mention is before made forasmuch as the same concerneth vs And specially we declare that wee are well pleased and contented that in our owne name and in our behalfe a Treatie shall be made with the said States in qualitie and as esteeming and holding them for free Countries Prouinces and States whereunto wee make no pretence of Soueraigntie and also haue approoued confirmed and ratified and by these presents doe approoue confirme and ratifie all and euerie one of the points comprehended and contained in the said Treatie and promise by the word of a king to hold and obserue them all and to cause them to be held and obserued as wholly and particularly as if we had at the beginning thereof declared consented and promised the same and as if they had beene proceeded in and concluded by our consent and authoritie and will not do nor cause any thing to be done contrarie vnto the same and also will promise to recompence and make amends for all direct or indirect courses vsed and taken contrarie vnto the same in such maner that all the aforesaid points shall be truely obserued holden and fulfilled vnto and with the said States Whereunto we binde our selues by the word of a Prince with all the generall and particular renuntiations and obligations thereunto requisite and needfull We also promise that as soon as the Treatie of Peace or long Truce shal be concluded and agreed vpon that wee will cause all dispatches necessarie to be made for the fulfilling and execution of that which shall be capitulated and agreed vpon in good maner and forme as they ought to be so that in all things and thorowout all the foresaid Vnited Prouinces whole and full satisfaction shal be made touching the aforesaid promise confirmation and with expresse reiection of all that which may be contrarie or against the said confirmation and withall expresly declaring that the Generall States as States of free Countries whereunto the King and the Arch-dukes make no pretence of Soueraigntie by the grace of God Almightie and the aide of their allies nominating the Kings of Great Britaine France Denmarke and other Potentates which in the said Prouinces shal and may take order and maintaine all causes that concerne the welfare of the State and gouernment amongst the which before all the point of Religion is to be maintained and the same expresly giuen in charge vnto the Arch-dukes Deputies concerning the said Prouinces and the good Inhabitants thereof so that in the chiefe Treatie nothing shall or may be propounded against the same vnlesse that men should seeke to preuent and contrarie the aforesaid formall and solemne promise Lastly it was concluded by the Generall States that the Deputies of the said King and the Arch-dukes might come vnto the Hague there to intreat and agree vpon the said Treatie with full information charge and authoritie to shew their meanings plainly and sincerely therein as also to vnderstand the States intent and meaning that so they might make a short and breefe resolution therein The said Deputies being come vnto the Hague and hauing entred into Treatie with the Deputies of the said States at the beginning there was a new cleere and expresse promise and ratification made not onely to the saide States but also vnto all the particular Prouinces and Lordships thereunto depending as also vnto the Quarters Lordships Townes and Places of other Prouinces holden by the said States according to the foresaid promises dated the 24. of Aprill both in the name of the King of Spaine and the Arch-dukes being procured and to be procured from them and all and euerie one of their heires and successors in their Kingdomes Countries and States decreeing and declaring that they pretend not any title in or vnto the aforesaid Vnited Prouinces Lordships Lands Townes and Places as then holden and possessed by the said States and that they held and accounted them for free States Prouinces Lordships Countries Townes and Places with promise vpon their words and honours and vpon the words of Princes not to doe any thing contrary vnto the same nor permit it to be done no not in vsing the names titles or armes of the said Prouinces or otherwise directly or indirectly in any wise whatsoeuer as also that from thenceforth at all times and for euer there should be a good firme indissoluble Peace betweene the aforesaid high and mightie King and the Archdukes their children and successors and the aforesayd States in the qualitie aforesayd for all the Kingdomes Lands Lordships Townes and Places which the aforesayd Kings Archdukes and States held and possessed with their respectiue subiects and inhabitants which reside therein at this time or that heereafter shall dwell therein without exception of any man whatsoeuer Also that the sayd King and Archdukes and the sayd States in qualitie aforesaid together with their respectiue subiects and inhabitants should from thencefoorth liue in good friendship without vsing any more hostilitie with forgetting of all forepassed causes and actions But in the processe of the Treatie the Deputies in the behalfe of the said King and Arch-dukes sought to abridge and diminish the aforesaid acknowledged freedome of the Vnited Prouinces in the principallest point thereof and to make it of no effect as amongst the rest expresly in the generall trafficke and nauigation with the consequences thereof wherein the chiefe and principall welfare of the aforesaid Prouinces consisteth Also in the pretences onely to the euident and manifest ouerthrow of the Vnited Prouinces without cause or reason of dismembring some of the vnited Prouinces of that which without deniall according to the agreement made belonged vnto them Also in the disputation touching the freedome and soueraigntie of certaine Townes held and possessed by the States as also of the Villages appointed for places of receit and accounts in demanding of certaine lands which by former Princes had been conquered and otherwise coucrtly speaking of the point-of Religion without making any free or open proposi●ion thereof and being vrged to speake their mindes freely and fully therein sometime they said that they would not doe any thing contrarie to the freedome and soueraigntie to the dislike or discontentment of the States of the vnited Prouinces touching the point of Religion and yet at another time they said they
must consult with them of Spaine touching the point of Religion and that touching the same and concerning the point of generall trafficke and nauigation some of them must expresly goe into Spaine And although that the aforesaid States Generall perceiuing the said proceedings might well haue broken vp the said Treatie notwithstanding considering the great importance thereof and desiring for their parts before God and before all Kings Potentates Princes and Common-wealths of Europe and specially before the Commons of the vnited Prouinces to make knowne that they with all their hearts and vprightly desire to alter and change the long hurtfull and bloodie warres of the Netherlands into a godly honorable and an assured peace for the comfort and vnburthening not onely of the Inhabitants of the Netherlands but also of the neighbour countries and kingdomes thought good by the aduice and good counsell of the Ambassadors of the Kings of Great Britaine France Denmarke c. and of the Euangelicall Electors and Princes of Germanie who at their earnest requests were sent vnto the Netherlands to aide and assist them in the said Treatie and businesse of so great importance that one of the Deputies for the King and the Arch-dukes should goe into Spaine to vnderstand the Kings absolute intent and meaning notwithstanding it was expresly signified and declared by the States that they would not consent vnto the like deliberation but onely for that time and that the said Deputie should expresly returne againe with the said resolution within two moneths then next after ensuing And to that end the Truce for the moneths of Aprill and May was continued and prolonged After that by meanes of the long staying of him that was sent into Spayne before the end of the moneth of May the aforesaid Truce by common consent was prolonged vntill the last of December last past but the States once again and plainly told the Deputies for the said King and the Arch-dukes that their meaning was within two moneths at the farthest after the moneth of May they would haue a finall end and breaking vp of the said Treatie Whereupon as in the beginning of the moneth of Iune and after from time to time diuers letters and aduices were brought and came from seuerall Countries and Kingdomes that the said king of Spaine and the Spanish Counsell did not proceed truly and vprightly in the said Treatie but by delaies and all the meanes they could sought to vndermine the State of the vnited Prouinces Presently thereupon as about the middle of Iune the said Deputies for the King and the Arch-dukes were aduertised by the Generall States of the said aduice sent them with earnest request by them made to vnderstand and know their vttermost intent and meaning and withall it being told them that notwithstanding the Truce was prolonged and continued for the whole yeere yet it was the States meaning not to suffer the delay of the end of the sayd Treatie any longer than vntill the last of Iuly and that they might then presently breake vp and depart if their intents were not to bring the Treaty to any good end Wherupon the sayd Deputies made answer That they held those aduices to be wholly vntrue and that they were otherwise fully certified and assured after that some few dayes before the expiration of the moneth of Iuly certifying the States that they had aduice out of Spaine that the Commissarie generall was commanded to attend at the Court vpon the fifteenth of Iuly to receiue his dispatch and that without doubt hee would be there very shortly whereupon the matter being considered of vntill the twentieth of August and in the meane time newes of the continuance of the King of Spaines intent comming from all places it was thought good the same day to haue another conference with the sayd Deputies to vnderstand their vttermost authoritie and meanings who at the same time declared That the King of Spaines and the Arch-dukes resolute intents were that the agreement made should be obserued and kept and that the vnited Prouinces by their sayd acknowledgement and agreement should be free and souereigne countreys without pretence of any right vassallage or other souereignty to be sought or pretended by them therein or thereunto vpon condition that in regard thereof the Romish Catholike religion should be reestablished in the sayd Prouinces and that the subiects and inhabitants of the sayd Prouinces should presently and from that time forth leaue off and desist from trade traffike and nauigation into India declaring also that they still persisted in the difficulties touching the raising of conuoyes the dismembring of the Dukedome of Gelder touching all the high quarter thereof the holding of the places vpon and being on the other side of the Reyn as also vpon the borders of the Empire which without all controuersie are neutrall Townes belonging to the territories of the Empire as also touching the pretence of villages and the head banks or chambers of accounts in Townes belonging vnto the States in other Prouinces also that the Arch-dukes ought to enioy the lands belonging vnto the Princes of the houses of Burgondie and Austria being Lords in the time of the respectiue vnited Prouinces And for that the most part of the aforesayd points can not be holden nor esteemed but as pretences against the decreed maintained confirmed and confessed freedome of the vnited Prouinces and consequently openly repugning against the sayd Treatie and the confirmation thereof and withall against the first Article that is thereby agreed vpon therefore the States Generall of the vnited Prouinces vnderstand that they for the state of the sayd countreys and of the good inhabitants thereof can not finde it good to enter into any further Treatie with the sayd Deputies being heartily sory that contrary to their intents the sayd Treatie hath been so vnprofitably broken off neuerthelesse contenting themselues that they before God and all the world may be held inculpable that the bloodie and long continued warres of the Netherlands are not changed into a Christian honourable and an assured peace and a finall end made and procured of all the calamities miseries hurts and hinderances which the sayd Netherlands and their neighbors together with the good inhabitants of the same haue endured and are like to endure by meanes of the vnlawfull pretences of their aduerse parties Done in the Hague in full assemblie of the Generall States of the vnited Prouinces c. 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