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A17371 Maschil, or, A treatise to giue instruction touching the state of the Church of Rome since the Councell of Trent, whether shee be yet a true Christian church. And if she have denied the foundation of our faith. For the vindication of the right reuerend father in God, the L. Bishop of Exeter, from the cavills of H.B. in his book intituled The seven vialls. By Robert Butterfield Master of Arts, and minister of Gods Word. Butterfield, Robert. 1629 (1629) STC 4205; ESTC S120372 51,626 162

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time deliuered vnder her authority To draw therfore to a conclusion since the Scriptures affirme that many of Gods people are in Babylo● and that Antichrist must sit in the Church of God since that Popery taketh not away from the foundation but addeth to it * ●●ndamento a● 〈…〉 ●a●it● no●●tium Caput 〈◊〉 v●i s●pra Vide Dr. Prid. ●●ct de ●isib ●●clesia whence nothing is more frequent with ou● Diuines than to tearme Popery ●octri●am addititiam and their Reli●ion Popish additaments and Aqui●●● who gaue the Pope power to ●ake a new Creede neuer thought ●hat he might abrogate the old for ●s much as they haue that Baptisme ●hich maketh them members of the ●ue Church and Orders so good ●hat wee neuer iterate them seeing ●hat when wee dispute against them ●ee acknowledge them to hold fun●amentall truth and that all our ●octors with an vnanimous consent ●ffirme so much and the sentence of ●ny one Classicall Author cannot be ●rought who affirmeth the contrary ●nd lastly seeing the Church our Mother imputeth vnto them errour ●nely in ●atters of Faith not abne●ation of the Faith it selfe we affirme ●hat the Church of Rome though otherwise wicked enough hath not ●et directly denyed the Founda●ion of Faith and therefore that wee cannot deny her the name of a Christian Church 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 which is that we intended to proue The Second Part. Wherein the Reuerend Bishops Arguments are defended and Mr. Burtons Obiections answered CHAP. I. Containing an Introduction to the following discourse THere is in rectitude as the Philosopher wisely 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 noteth that perfection and beautie whereby we discerne both it selfe and whatsoeuer is contrary vnto it For hee that knowes what is straight doth euen perceiue thereby what is crooked because the absence o● straitnesse in bodies capable thereo● 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Ari●●●●e anima lib 1. is crookednesse yet because t● Iudge both of rectitude and obliq●tie is the Rule which all haue not t● skill few the will to apply it is necessarie sometimes to leaue the amiable discourse of truth and apply o● selues to set forth the knottinesse an● deformitie of error that error ma● yet be more abandoned and trut● more heartily embraced Wee suppose that wee haue alreadie not on●ly fortified the cause it selfe whic● wee tooke in hand with good a● solid reason but laid downe tho● rules also whereby whatsoeuer c● be probably obiected against th● truth may be fully answered ●● namely if we marke in what sen● we affirme the Church of Rome t● be a true Church in what respect s● is Babylon and in what consideration a true Church what it is to d●nie the foundation what likewis● to ouerthrow it and how farre ● Christian Church may ouerthrow it Yet to make the worke complete it will not bee amisse to examine the weight of those reasons which are opposed hereunto and to free the arguments already brought in defence not of the Romish Church or anie point of their Religion but of a true ●ssertion amongst Protestant Di●ines from the exceptions alledged against them And this we will doe Heb. 6. 3. ●f God permit Where by the way let mee aduer●ise that had the second Edition of ●he Reuerend Bishops booke * Of the old Religion I saw it not till I had quite finished the first part of this Treatise come sooner to my hands I thinke I had saued my paines and not proceeded ●hus farre not that I had not a good mind to the Bishops defence and yet haue but that it might seeme super●uous to adde to it vnreasonable to ●eply against it M. Burton as it is ●uident before the Edition of his booke saw and read the Reuerend Bishops Apologie wherein he sheweth that preferment hath not made him differ from what he was before nor self conceit to take vp a new opinion but loue of the truth to auer● that wherein he finds all Diuines t● conspire with him none gain sayin● him At M. Burtons hands he hath g●●ned nothing hereby but the opinio● of pertinacie added to his error ●● taketh him boldly by the sleeue an● calleth him to account not only f●● his former assertions but for his Apologie also how iustly we com● now to enquire CHAP. II M. Burtons method and manner of pr●ceeding 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Nazianzenus 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 All disputation consisting of tw● parts the confirmation of trueth an● the confutation of error the first o● these wee haue absolued the la●● now taketh place M. Burton tooke vpon him the interpretation of a portion of holy Scripture in the booke of the Apocalyps one of those two bookes which St. Austen said were reserued to be vnderstood in heauen The subiect of his discourse is the powring out of the 7. Vialls wherein The Cantic in the Old Testament and this in the New as if St. Iohn in the Spirit of prophecie had foreseene the errour of our most worthy Prelate and designed M. Burton for one of the 7 Angells he powreth out the second Viall wholly vpon him with how good successe let the euent decide In the meane while I shall returne him some of his owne dregges to drinke His proceeding is troublesome and tempestuous like the Sea one while affirming another while denying the same thing Scopae dissolutae Now he answers now he argues by by he declaimes altogether without order vt nec pes nec caput vni reddatur formae yet to reduce him to the best forme we can wee will obserue in his discourse these two parts 1. a generall proposition 2. the disputation it selfe In the first hee teacheth vs how to procced herein telling vs that it is a matter not to bee 7. Vialls Page 28. maintained by finenes of wit nor quaint Rhetoricall discourse but vpon sound ground and substantiall demonstration I need not tell you whom hee would decipher by this speech but I must needs wonder that hee is so witty at first and it calls to my remembrance the Infamous Paralle● written by Eudaemon Iohannes against the late Reuerend Bishop of Winchester wherein one maine head of hi● accusation against that worthie Prelate is that he was too conuersant i● the Comick writers his stile w●● Vid 〈◊〉 Tort●r ●orti too curious his Latine too neat fo● the Iesuits palate Thus M. Butr●● least the Bishop by his diuine Esoquence and accurate speech shoul● preuaile too farre with his Readers strikes first at that by disgrace tearming it finenesse of wit and quain● Rhetoricke little hurting his aduersarie therreby but singularly dishonouring Almightie God For whose are the Arts whose is Eloquence and vtterance who gaue man the wit and the braine Demand of all the faculties of the Soule and bodie whose Image and inscription they beare they will tell you Gods In as much therefore as you offer ●niurie vnto the least of these you do ●t vnto God But who sees not whereunto