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positive_a and_o ecclesiastical_a constitution_n and_o they_o give_v the_o communion_n to_o laic_n both_o in_o health_n and_o sickness_n though_o they_o have_v not_o before_o confess_v their_o sin_n to_o a_o priest_n and_o that_o because_o they_o be_v persuade_v that_o confession_n be_v arbitrary_a and_o that_o faith_n be_v the_o only_a and_o true_a preparative_n for_o receive_v the_o eucharist_n so_o father_n simon_n show_v from_o caucus_n venetus_n in_o his_o religion_n and_o custom_n of_o the_o eastern_a nation_n p._n 8._o lond._n ed._n 1685._o and_o he_o own_v that_o caucus_n have_v assert_v nothing_o as_o to_o that_o point_n which_o do_v not_o agree_v to_o the_o real_a belief_n of_o the_o greek_n p._n 13._o of_o the_o christian_n of_o st._n thomas_n in_o india_n he_o relate_v from_o meneses_n that_o they_o abominate_a auricular_a confession_n p._n 94._o and_o though_o he_o pretend_v this_o to_o be_v a_o abuse_n introduce_v into_o that_o church_n p._n 102._o yet_o he_o produce_v nothing_o but_o his_o own_o conjecture_n to_o prove_v it_o so_o and_o acknowledge_v that_o most_o in_o the_o east_n think_v not_o themselves_o oblige_v to_o it_o by_o divine_a right_n and_o consequent_o it_o may_v either_o be_v use_v or_o lay_v aside_o as_o the_o church_n think_v convenient_a we_o learn_v the_o same_o from_o the_o gloss_n of_o their_o own_o canon_n law_n where_o 1._o we_o be_v tell_v that_o confession_n to_o a_o priest_n be_v better_a say_v to_o be_v institute_v by_o a_o certain_a tradition_n of_o the_o universal_a church_n then_o from_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o old_a or_o new_a testament_n this_o tradition_n of_o the_o church_n oblige_v as_o a_o command_n and_o therefore_o with_o we_o he_o mean_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n confession_n of_o mortal_a sin_n be_v necessary_a but_o be_v not_o necessary_a with_o the_o greek_n because_o they_o have_v no_o such_o tradition_n here_o be_v a_o tradition_n pretend_v of_o the_o universal_a church_n and_o yet_o a_o acknowledgement_n that_o at_o least_o one_o half_a of_o that_o church_n have_v no_o such_o tradition_n which_o be_v as_o good_a sense_n as_o roman_n catholic_n however_o i_o take_v this_o to_o be_v a_o demonstration_n that_o confession_n be_v no_o otherways_o approve_v and_o frequent_v by_o the_o christian_a world_n except_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n than_o it_o be_v by_o the_o reform_a that_o be_v it_o be_v look_v on_o by_o all_o but_o mr._n m_n church_n as_o a_o piece_n of_o ecclesiastical_a discipline_n only_o and_o then_o it_o may_v be_v use_v or_o dispense_v with_o as_o the_o church_n see_v most_o for_o her_o edification_n edification_n 8._o this_o be_v not_o only_o the_o opinion_n of_o the_o great_a part_n of_o the_o present_a visible_a but_o it_o be_v so_o likewise_o of_o the_o ancient_a church_n though_o mr._n m._n tell_v we_o with_o confidence_n enough_o that_o it_o be_v never_o hear_v in_o the_o catholic_n church_n till_o henry_n viii_o that_o any_o be_v admit_v to_o the_o communion_n without_o confession_n yet_o we_o find_v direct_a proof_n to_o the_o contrary_a in_o antiquity_n ih_v socrates_n tell_v we_o that_o nectarius_n bishop_n of_o constantinople_n take_v away_o the_o priest_n that_o be_v appoint_v for_o confession_n since_o the_o time_n of_o the_o decian_a persecution_n and_o give_v free_a leave_n that_o every_o one_o shall_v come_v to_o the_o participation_n of_o the_o holy_a sacrament_n as_o his_o own_o conscience_n direct_v he_o 16._o and_o sozo_n man_n add_v that_o the_o bishop_n of_o almost_o all_o other_o church_n imitate_v he_o reservatur_fw-la gratian_n propose_v the_o authority_n for_o and_o against_o the_o necessity_n of_o confession_n and_o leave_v it_o to_o the_o reader_n judgement_n which_o he_o will_v believe_v supra_fw-la and_o the_o gloss_n on_o that_o be_v very_o remarkable_a in_o the_o year_n 1150._o in_o the_o time_n of_o gratian_n nothing_o be_v define_v or_o command_v concern_v the_o necessity_n of_o confession_n by_o the_o church_n for_o if_o there_o have_v gratian_n have_v not_o be_v ignorant_a of_o it_o nor_o omit_v it_o but_o confession_n with_o the_o mouth_n be_v introduce_v near_o a_o hundred_o year_n after_o by_o innocent_a iii_o thus_o the_o roman_a gloss_n and_o the_o reader_n must_v judge_v whether_o he_o will_v believe_v mr._n m._n who_o affirm_v that_o auricular_a confession_n be_v always_o necessary_a or_o the_o canon_n law_n and_o gloss_n that_o say_v it_o be_v make_v necessary_a about_o the_o year_n 1215_o that_o be_v not_o full_a three_o hundred_o year_n before_o henry_n viii_o so_o late_o be_v this_o sacrament_n even_o in_o the_o roman_a church_n and_o the_o doctrine_n of_o its_o necessity_n necessity_n 9_o the_o three_o argument_n mr._n m._n produce_v for_o confession_n be_v ground_v on_o the_o inconvenience_n that_o arise_v from_o the_o want_n thereof_o he_o tell_v we_o that_o protestant_a sermon_n have_v some_o authority_n upon_o the_o people_n but_o not_o much_o for_o lack_v of_o this_o curb_n on_o their_o vice_n p._n 6._o now_o whether_o sermon_n or_o auricular_a confession_n be_v the_o great_a curb_n to_o vice_n can_v only_o be_v judge_v by_o experience_n and_o let_v that_o determine_v whether_o protestant_n or_o papist_n be_v most_o licentious_a let_v we_o compare_v protestant_a country_n with_o popish_a and_o see_v where_o vice_n do_v most_o abound_v let_v we_o look_v into_o germany_n denmark_n switzerland_n the_o low_a country_n england_n and_o scotland_n and_o compare_v they_o with_o italy_n france_n and_o spain_n and_o let_v any_o one_o judge_n which_o be_v most_o corrupt_a in_o their_o moral_n or_o most_o happy_a in_o their_o government_n among_o ourselves_o let_v we_o compare_v the_o protestant_n who_o have_v live_v in_o prosperity_n these_o last_o thirty_o year_n and_o consequent_o have_v be_v most_o liable_a to_o corruption_n with_o the_o papist_n that_o have_v be_v in_o adversity_n and_o consequent_o be_v at_o the_o best_a and_o from_o these_o we_o 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because_o they_o can_v make_v a_o shift_n without_o it_o and_o again_o p._n 7._o i_o pray_v the_o reader_n to_o consider_v whether_o private_a sinner_n in_o the_o church_n of_o england_n do_v not_o offend_v god_n at_o a_o cheap_a rate_n than_o in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n since_o in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n they_o be_v bind_v to_o some_o penance_n but_o in_o the_o church_n of_o england_n they_o may_v confess_v to_o their_o minister_n and_o do_v penance_n if_o they_o will_v or_o if_o they_o will_v not_o they_o may_v let_v it_o alone_o to_o which_o i_o answer_v that_o the_o church_n of_o england_n have_v no_o tax_n of_o sin_n nor_o do_v she_o promise_v pardon_n of_o sin_n upon_o the_o performance_n of_o any_o external_a action_n whatsoever_o whether_o it_o cost_v the_o performer_n dear_a or_o cheap_a but_o she_o tell_v her_o people_n according_a to_o the_o scripture_n that_o there_o be_v no_o other_o way_n to_o be_v forgive_v our_o sin_n but_o be_v hearty_o turn_v from_o they_o 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