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A87108 Plaine English to our wilfull bearers with Normanisme; or, Some queries propounded to and concerning the neglectours of Englands grand grievance and complaint lately published under the title of Anti-Normanisme. Wherein is undeniably demonstrated, that while this nation remaines under the title of the (pretended) Conquest, she and every member of her are no other then slaves properly so called; and moreover, that (while she retaines the same title) all her and her representators contending wirh [sic] their prince for ungranted priviledges, upon any pretence whatsoever, is unwarrantable and seditious. Hare, John, 17th cent. 1647 (1647) Wing H764; Thomason E412_24; ESTC R22375 7,833 14

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own verdict if the suffering of one Towne to be conquered was a betraying of the Nations honour then what is the suffering of the whole Nation to ly under a Conquest while she remaines a Captive weares the Title and * If you know not what those are see Anti-Normanisme p. 2 13 14. Badges of Captivity Qu. 3. Whether it be not an absurdity to pretend to restore or advance this Nation to her just Freed me The just Freedome of this Nation consist in being under a Prince or his Heyres of her own Election Blond or at least Admission and under her owne Lawes of which Lawes also the Supreame next unto Gods glory according to your own doctrine ought to be Salus Populi But ye make her to professe her self to be under the dominion of her usurping Enemies for what 's a Conqueror or any suceeding in his Right but a prevailing and tryumphing Enemy of which sort of Dominions namely those grounded upon Conquests also the Supreame and Fundamentall Law and which is unseparable from that Title is unquestionably as I shall anon prove the Will Honour and benefit of the Conquerour and his Heyres And yet ye call your selves Assertors of your Nations Liberties and yet to leave her under the title and injuries of a pretended Conquest Qu. 4. Whether they are not Your owne interests and claimes you assert with Swords But your Nations just Freedome and Honour that might distinguish her from a Slave not with a word and are not to be repu●ed of private spirits and interests whatever they boast whether they be Councels Cities or Armies that are so tender of their owne honours and interests and yet so negligent or else ignorant of their Nations Qu. 5. Whether they are not contemptibly ridiculous that call themselves men of honour or so much as Free-men how highly soever born The Right Honourables of an Enslaved Nation are but right honourable slaves in what dignity soever placed or whatsoever they have atchieved against their owne Country-men who yet with the same mouth confesse and professe themselves Members of a Captive Nation Qu. 6. VVhether they are not also confessedly seditious It is no other then as if one should say Sir I am and will be your slave in right and title but your Master in Act. who professing their Nation and consequently themselves to be Captives by right of Conquest and moreover being like the Jewes eare-bored slaves nor minded to leave that qualitie and profession doe yet contend wi●h their Prince for free Subjects Priviledges or rather Mamaluck-like to be sharers in the Supreame Authoritie Objection 1. Yea but our first Normane Prince was admitted upon Tea●ms as being Legatee and Kinsman of S● Edward and upon condition to preserve our Lawes and Liberties Answ Ye contradict it your selves If perchance you deny that you say it and so think to invalidate all my incusations with that Paradox What meanes his title of Conqueror which ye still allow him the Doctrine of his Conquest of this Nation which without your contradiction remaines a received Maxime in this Kingdome The Effects and Badges of such a Conquest which you retain as Ornaments Your suffering Magna Charta to be in the mouth of the Law the foundation of our Liberties And lastly your a Conquestu currant not onely in past Acts of Parliament which untill you gainesay them enjoy your suffrage but also in Fines past by the Authority of your own Great Scale of England at this day while ye say how truly I have * Anti-Norm p. 15. else where showne that hee came in by Conquest Object 2. But we have sithence had a Charter of Liberties granted us Answ But there is no clause in that Charter for libertie to contend for more the granting you an Inch intitles you not to the taking of an Ell And as for the Clause therin which Mr. Pryn in his Soveraigne Power p. 74. sticks not to alledge as an undeniable Warrant for all your proceedings That the Prince will not deny or deferre justice or right to any man by Iustice or Right is plainely meant Execution of Law and not a fulfilling of your unlimited Desires as is manifest by the rest of that Chapter and confirmed by the Lord Cookes Exposi●ion of that place Object 3. But the King is bound by his Coronation Oath to grant all such just and reasonable Lawes as the People that is the Commons in Parliament shall choose Answ This I confesse if it were so and according to your own interpretation that is to grant all such Lawes as you shall say are just and reasonable might seeme a bottomlesse priviledge able to furnish you with Licentiousnesse enough I Will not say Libertie for were you invested with as many donations priviledges as Haman or any Favourite in the Turkish Court yet while you professe to serve in reference to a Conquest you are but * For the mitigation of Slavery doth not take away the Essence of it Now you cannot deny that you serve in reference to a Conquest seeing you are so farre from ever having declared him whom you call your Conquerour an Vsurper that you place him for the Root and Alpha of your right fulll Kings in the Regall Catalogue Slaves Yet for Answer I say It is well known that our present King never took any such Oath Reply But hee ought to have taken it Answ Whether he ought or not since he did it not he is not bound by it in Law and as to his obligement to take it if any such obligation was it must be either by Statute or Custome by Statute you will not say it was and as for Custome to make it obligatorie it must according to your owne * The Lord Cook and others Oracle have both Reason and usage time out of mind But this oath by your own * in your Remonstroof the 2. of Novem. 1642 confession was vsed neither by Henry the 8. Edward the 6. King James nor King Charles So that in stead of usage here is a disusage and as for Reason there is lesse for what reason is there that some Princes and their Heyres doing some Acts of grace and favour as I shall anon prove that you grant this to be to their people that therefore all there Posterity should be obliged to the same as duties so that you see this Oath cannot in any wise bind your Prince for that he neither took it nor was bonnd to take it But although he had taken it yet I shall sufficiently prove notwithstanding all Mr. Prins impertinent volumes to the contrary that while you allow to his Bloud the right of a conquest over your nation the Oath would not serve your turn so as to give you authority to force to the performance of your desires for first you say it was an Oath Now an Oath or votum hath not you but God for the obiect so that if it be violated he alone