Selected quad for the lemma: authority_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
authority_n	acknowledge_v	church_n	scripture_n	3,085	5	6.3603	4	false

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A09441	The churches plea for her right, or, A reply to an answer made of Mr. Iohn Paget against William Best and others wherein the maine points of our present differences are handled and the principall causes of our troubles declared / published by William Best.	Best, William, fl. 1635.; Paget, John, d. 1640. Answer to the unjust complaints of William Best.	1635 (1635)	STC 1973.5; ESTC S151	93,797	110

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they_o i_o except_v against_o in_o that_o they_o say_v nothing_o in_o the_o controversy_n between_o we_o and_o therefore_o they_o must_v stand_v aside_o in_o the_o 4_o he_o write_v that_o member_n of_o the_o catholic_a or_o universal_a church_n may_v have_v their_o infant_n baptize_v though_o they_o be_v not_o join_v to_o any_o particular_a visible_a church_n to_o this_o i_o answer_v that_o he_o neither_o speak_v skilful_o nor_o conscionable_o for_o 1._o by_o the_o catholic_a church_n our_o protestant_n divine_n 329._o divine_n piscator_fw-la aphorism_n loc_fw-la 19_o p._n 102._o perk._n expos_n jude._n p._n 484._o vrsin_n cat._n part_n 2._o pag._n 347._o pet._n mart._n loc._n com._n class_n 2_o p._n 435._o polan_n syntag_n l._n 7._o c._n 4._o p._n 520._o alsted_n the._n polem_n part_n 4._o p._n 329._o understand_v the_o company_n of_o god_n elect_v and_o choose_v and_o hence_o name_v it_o 667._o it_o d._n whita_n count_v 4._o qu._n 1._o p._n 78._o park_n eccl._n polit._n l._n 3._o p._n 210._o d._n reinol_n praef_n 6._o conclus_fw-la p._n 667._o invisible_a spiritual_a mystical_a yea_o some_o 1._o some_o beza_n in_o praef._n nou._n test_n print_a 1561._o d._n humphr_n in_o the_o life_n of_o jewel_n d._n sutclif_n challenge_n l._n 1._o do_v dislike_v the_o term_n itself_o and_o call_v it_o a_o vain_a and_o fruitless_a word_n and_o well_o they_o may_v for_o the_o scripture_n have_v it_o not_o neither_o be_v the_o author_n of_o it_o know_v but_o suppose_v 30._o suppose_v sanford_n de_fw-fr descend_v dom._n nost_n ad_fw-la in_o fer_fw-fr lib._n 4._o p._n 28._o and_o 30._o to_o be_v a_o papist_n but_o to_o the_o matter_n in_o hand_n if_o no_o infant_n out_o of_o particular_a visible_a church_n aught_o to_o be_v baptize_v but_o they_o who_o parent_n be_v know_v to_o be_v member_n of_o the_o catholic_a church_n than_o it_o will_v certain_o follow_v that_o no_o infant_n who_o parent_n be_v not_o member_n of_o any_o visible_a church_n may_v be_v baptize_v because_o the_o 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ordinance_n we_o will_v now_o speak_v a_o little_a of_o the_o other_o part_n that_o be_v prove_v that_o particular_a congregation_n do_v not_o stand_v under_o any_o other_o ecclesiastical_a authority_n out_o of_o themselves_o viz._n class_n and_o synod_n argument_n vii_o such_o office_n and_o calling_n without_o which_o the_o church_n of_o god_n be_v complete_a and_o perfect_a for_o gonvernment_n be_v superfluous_a and_o humane_a but_o the_o church_n of_o god_n may_v be_v complete_a and_o perfect_a for_o gouvernment_n without_o classical_a and_o synodical_a office_n and_o calling_n therefore_o these_o office_n and_o calling_n be_v superfluous_a and_o humane_a this_o argument_n the_o protestant_n have_v use_v against_o the_o pope_n and_o the_o reformist_n against_o bishop_n arch-bishop_n chancellor_n etc._n etc._n now_o the_o same_o be_v every-way_n as_o firm_a and_o good_a against_o synod_n &_o class_n for_o without_o they_o the_o church_n of_o god_n be_v full_o bring_v to_o complete_a 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7._o p._n 884._o deu._n 16.21_o col._n 2.23_o exo._n 20.24_o be_v steward_n who_o duty_n be_v not_o to_o prescribe_v new_a law_n unto_o the_o family_n but_o faithful_o to_o keep_v the_o law_n of_o the_o householder_n and_o to_o do_v every_o thing_n according_a to_o his_o commandment_n 2._o all_o such_o invention_n of_o man_n as_o be_v devise_v for_o any_o service_n of_o god_n be_v abhor_v by_o the_o lord_n he_o like_v nothing_o but_o what_o he_o appoint_v himself_o 3._o god_n promise_v his_o presence_n only_o in_o his_o own_o ordinance_n and_o therefore_o we_o can_v expect_v that_o he_o will_v either_o accept_v or_o bless_v etc._n bless_v see_v mr._n dod_n upon_o 2_o comm._n elton_n on_o colos_n p._n 308_o per._n idol_n last_o time_n p._n 674._o etc._n etc._n that_o thing_n which_o be_v not_o do_v accordingto_o his_o revealed_z will_n 4._o herein_o we_o obey_v the_o lord_n 17.11_o lord_n esa_n 8.20_o 1_o the._n 5.21_o 1_o joh._n 3.1_o act._n 17.11_o and_o walk_v in_o the_o step_n of_o the_o faithful_a 5._o in_o this_o we_o take_v no_o more_o liberty_n than_o other_o have_v former_o do_v luther_n in_o the_o preface_n of_o the_o assertion_n of_o the_o article_n condemn_v by_o the_o bull_n of_o leo_n x._o he_o say_v i_o call_v they_o to_o record_v of_o this_o my_o protestation_n that_o i_o will_v be_v urge_v to_o yield_v by_o no_o man_n authority_n though_o he_o be_v never_o so_o holy_a a_o father_n but_o as_o far_o as_o he_o shall_v be_v approve_a by_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o divine_a scripture_n and_o here_o i_o will_v conclude_v this_o point_n in_o the_o word_n of_o augustine_n we_o weigh_v not_o the_o writing_n of_o all_o man_n be_v they_o never_o so_o worthy_a as_o we_o weigh_v the_o canonical_a scripture_n but_o that_o 111._o ad_fw-la fortun._n epist._n 111._o save_v the_o reverence_n that_o be_v due_a unto_o they_o we_o may_v mislike_v and_o refuse_v somewhat_o in_o their_o writing_n if_o we_o find_v that_o they_o have_v teach_v otherwise_o then_o the_o 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