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A26620 Scolding no scholarship in the abyss, or, Groundless grounds of the Protestant religion as holden out by M. Menzeis in his brawlings against M. Dempster. Abercromby, David, d. 1701 or 2.; Menzeis, John, 1624-1684. Papismus lucifugus. 1669 (1669) Wing A87; ESTC R23824 96,397 214

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c._n 2._o &_o 4._o to_o say_v with_o the_o pelagian_n that_o the_o child_n of_o the_o faithful_a be_v bear_v holy_a and_o need_v no_o regeneration_n by_o baptism_n by_o s._n augustine_n l._n de_fw-la haeres_fw-la c._n 54._o to_o teach_v with_o the_o eunomian_o a_o man_n be_v save_v by_o faith_n only_o by_o s._n augustine_n l._n 1._o c._n 2._o &_o ult_n contra_fw-la maximin_n to_o deny_v apostolical_a tradition_n in_o the_o church_n by_o s._n cyprian_n ep._n 55._o to_o say_v with_o most_o heretic_n to_o peter_n chair_n and_o the_o principal_a church_n infidelity_n or_o false_a doctrine_n can_v have_v access_n by_o irenaeus_n l._n 3._o c._n 3._o to_o deny_v all_o church_n round_o about_o aught_o to_o resort_v to_o the_o roman_a church_n by_o reason_n of_o she_o more_o powerful_a principality_n by_o all_o the_o father_n in_o the_o council_n of_o chalcedon_n act._n 16._o to_o deny_v that_o all_o primacy_n and_o chief_a honour_n be_v to_o be_v keep_v for_o the_o archbishop_n of_o old_a rome_n so_o that_o the_o protestant_a religion_n be_v not_o only_o void_a of_o all_o solid_a ground_n either_o in_o the_o divine_a scripture_n or_o holy_a father_n but_o also_o in_o most_o clear_a and_o express_v word_n be_v condemn_v as_o heretical_a by_o both_o it_o be_v indeed_o nothing_o but_o a_o new_a heresy_n patch_v up_o of_o many_o old_a condemn_a error_n join_v to_o some_o fresh_a notion_n and_o conceit_n flow_v from_o the_o same_o spring_n and_o spirit_n of_o pride_n and_o rebellion_n against_o all_o the_o ancient_a father_n and_o present_a pastor_n of_o the_o church_n it_o be_v frequent_a change_n show_v it_o be_v not_o from_o god_n it_o be_v monstrous_a division_n in_o so_o many_o sect_n that_o it_o have_v not_o the_o unity_n of_o faith_n its_o inconstancy_n in_o principle_n tenet_n form_n of_o worship_n and_o government_n that_o it_o be_v not_o build_v upon_o the_o rock_n and_o consequent_o have_v no_o solid_a foundation_n or_o ground_n conclusion_n of_o all_o that_o 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they_o acknowledge_v no_o authority_n of_o council_n or_o father_n yield_v to_o no_o evidence_n of_o reason_n submit_v to_o no_o judge_n whence_o controversy_n be_v drive_v to_o nothing_o but_o idle_a and_o