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A56409 A dialogue between a divine of the Church of England, and a captain of horse concerning Dr. Sherlock's late pamphlet, entituled The case of allegiance due to sovereign powers stated, &c. Parkinson, James, 1653-1722.; Captain of Horse. 1690 (1690) Wing P492A; ESTC R8649 6,905 2

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● DIALOGUE between a Divine of the Church of England and a Captain of Horse concerning Dr. Sherlock's late Pamphlet Entitled The Case of Allegiante due to Sovereign Powers stated c. ●ivine 'T IS your opinion then that it had been better that the Doctor had never set Pen to Paper upon the Subject Capt. Much better doubtless with a ●●spect to his own Credit and the Reputation of the Cause 〈◊〉 has at length espoused Div. Thus far I agree with you that unless he could have ●●tified his own doing upon Principles more honorable to 〈◊〉 Methods and Instruments of the late Revolution he ●●ght to have kept his Thoughts within his own Breast 〈◊〉 more Reasons than one I think he should not at this 〈◊〉 of the day have published a Book which whatever 〈◊〉 Design of it was can have no better Effect than to ren●●r all those who if I may so say lent an early Assistance to ●●ovidence in its first Motions towards the thorough Settlement 〈◊〉 talks of to be no better than a Company of One ●●rd in your Ear. Capt. True however we have an Act of Grace which 〈◊〉 I remember pardons us all to the Sixteenth of May last Div. Right and if we had not then a thorough Settle●●nt the Doctor may chance to come in for a Snack yet 〈◊〉 the score of his Congratulatory Visit c. Capt. No the Doctor tells ye pag. 17. If the generality 〈◊〉 the Nation submit to such a Prince i. e. a Prince accord●●● to his supposition wanting a Legal Right and place 〈◊〉 on the Throne and put the whole Power of the Kingdom 〈◊〉 his hands tho it may be we cannot yet think the Provi●●●ce of God has settled him in the Throne while the dispos●●●d Prince has also such a formidable Power as makes the 〈◊〉 very doubtful yet if we think fit to continue in the ●●●gdom under the Government and Power of the new Prince 〈◊〉 are several Duties which we ought to pay him And 〈◊〉 he proceeds to enumerate all the Duties that can fall ●●thin the compass of any Charge that can be made against himself upon the account of any thing he did antecedent to what he calls a thorough Settlement Div. So that the Doctor I find is very careful to save one Capt. But not to hang up the rest I hope Div. No no he leaves 'em to the King's Mercy under a mild Government Capt. But who will he have then to be the true Objects of his Princes Bounty I would fain know for it seems to me that according to the Doctor 's Notions there are but a very few Div. Why the fewer the better cheer Man He 'll meet with the less opposition whenever he shall think fit to stand Candidate for any farther Preferment for all Mankind will agree that those that do the most that can be expected from them according to the strictest Principles of Loyalty and Obedience Pag. 16. are preferable in that Point to all others Capt. Ay and doubtless they are Div. Well and for a plain Direction to Subjects in all the Revolutions of Government he lays down this The most says he that can be expected from them according to the strictest Principles of Loyalty and Obedience is to have no hand in such Revolutions or to oppose them as far as they can and not to be hasty and forward in their Compliances but when such a Revolution is made and they cannot help it they must reverence and obey their new Prince as invested with God's Authority Ibid. Capt. I am not like to be a Colonel then during this Reign for when King James had such a formidable Power as made the event doubtful I taking the King of Great Britain to be my lawful King 't is well known that I assisted him all that I could at the Boyn Div. And as to Swearing and Praying and all that 't is as well known that I did what became me as early as the most forward of them all and therefore Wo is me I am utterly excluded according to the Doctor from all hopes of a Bishoprick Capt. Don't despond my Friend however for I presume an honest Man may yet be allow'd to tell the Doctor to his face That our King and his Royal Consort Q. Mary have a Right a true and indisputable Right not only to what they possess at present but to what they claim and is forcibly detein'd from them by the Rebels Div. What need you be so earnest tho Let me beg of you Noble Captain to moderate your Zeal for the King's Honor and Service a little at present that you may the better attend to the Doctor who says again That many of those who have writ in defence of the new Oath have supposed this that a Legal Right is necessary to make Allegiance due and therefore have endeavoured to justifie the Legal Right of K. William and Q. Mary Pag. 1. Capt. Well but what Effect had those Endeavours towards his late Conversion Div. None at all it seems for in the same breath he tells us That How well soever such Disputes may be intended they are certainly needless in this Cause and serve only to confound it by carrying Men into such dark Labyrinths of Law and History c. as very few know how to find their way out of again Ibid. Pag. 2. Capt. He 's an admirable Advocate the while to betray his Cause thus at the first dash by telling the World in effect that we have neither Law nor Precedent to support it Div. Nay if the Doctor does not play Booty I don't understand him for let but the foundation-Claim of Legal Right be once removed and our glorious Superstructure must infallibly come to the ground for what any one wrongfully possesses be it a Crown or a Cottage most Men will think ought to be restored to the right Owner And what if none of those many Writers he talks of have been so happy in their Endeavours to justifie the Legal Right of K. W. and Q. M. as a body might wish does it become him to declare so to all the World And over and above to lay an Embargo as it were upon all future Attempts of that kind We have known how fruitless for a long time the Endeavours of some Men to prove the Original Contract were rendered by the contrary Endeavours of others till Time that brings all things to light has made it as plain and legible as now it appears Now I my self I speak it without Vanity dare undertake to produce Law and History enough in half an hour not only to justifie his Majesties late doings which some Men seem to take so much pleasure in censuring but to free all the honest Loyal Party from that Reproach they have labour'd under from the beginning of the late Troubles to this day upon the score of their Duty to their King and Country Capt. Explain your self a little however that I may know what King you mean
and accordingly have directed the Jury to have acquitted them from the crime of High Treason of which they were Indicted for doubtless if Powers no otherwise setled than according to his account of a thorough Settlement page 9. have Gods Authority are his Ordinance c. then those by whose Commission the Regicides acted being such setled Powers had Gods Authority too were his Ordinance c. ought to have been submitted to and obeyed and consequently the Actings of those Regicides c. were warrantable and Legal though their Masters were Vsurpers for want of a Legal Right to Govern what can he say to it Capt. No more I think than what in effect he said before pag. 46. That this is a great Prejudice but no Argument for if his Principles be true and according to his Principles those who sate as Judges in the High Court of Justice and their Assistants at the Tryal of King Charles I. did no more than became them to do and so ought to have been acquitted that they were not is no confutation of his Principles For if Learned Judges and Lawyers have agreed c. And if it has been the Sense of Westminster-Hall c. And if that be the Sense of the Law and is like to be so again if we think fit to try it that it was not sufficiently urged or insisted upon in their favour and that they were not acquitted does not prove that it might not have been so urged and insisted upon in their favour or that they ought not to have been acquitted Now though I am certain the Law condemns all Usurpations whatever upon the Regal Office yet I will not deny but it has been the constant Sense of Westminster-Hall under every Usurpation that all the duties of Allegiance ought to be paid to the Usurper but not eo nomine not as Usurper I hope no those who at any time by Commissions from Usurpers have sate as Judges in Westminster-Hall knew well enough that to admit in the least the Legal Right of their Masters to be disputed would be to admit their own Authority to fit and determine Causes there to be questioned and therefore even that same High Court of Justice would have told the Doctor if he had demurr'd to their Authority or which would have been the same thing to the Legal Right of their Employers as they told the Blessed Martyr King Charles I. Sir I must interrupt you you may not be permitted you speak of Law and Reason it is fit there should be Law and Reason and there is both against you Dr. Nalsons Journal pag. 44. Div. The Doctor himself says indeed pag. 44. That it seems to him to be unfit to dispute the Right of Princes a thing which no Government he says can permit to be a Question among their Subjects Capt. But they might permit it a body would think i● as the Doctor would persuade us nothing depended upo● it But the mischief of it is that all who take upon them to Govern c. know that all their claims of Allegiance or of any duty of Allegiance from the People do depend upon their Legal Right to Govern them c. But what d'y ' say to his Divinity Div. Why I think all the Texts of Scripture that he brings to maintain his Doctrine will stand him in no more stead than Bishop Overals Convocation-Book till he has proved tha● every Act done by force of any Natural Powers which Go● Almighty has given to any one has Gods Approbatio● merely because by restraining those Powers he could have hinder'd its execution And I think the Fellow had received better Instructions than the Dr. would have given him who being ask'd who made him gave this answer God made me a Man my Father made me a Taylor and the Devil made me a Thief Capt. A fair Distribution The Man made a Conscience it seems of giving the Devil his due Div. As every one ought I think instead of making the good God the Author of the worst Villanies committed by the instigation of the Devil as the Rebels in the late times did and as many now adays are too apt to do but then as to what the Doctor says is like to be the Sense of Westminster-Hall again if we think fit to try it I know not I confess what may be the Sense of Westminster-Hall in Case his Principles should universally obtain but the present Sense of Westminster-Hall I believe is against him in some things he may try his own Cause when he pleases Capt. Ay and We 'll try ours when we see our own time But I cannot imagine I confess to what end he quotes Dan. 4. 17. For the most High ruleth in the Kingdom of men and giveth it to whomsoever he will and setteth up over it the basest of men page 11. Not having first proved what as you say he ought to have proved Div. That you must know was to anticipate an Objection which the Doctor foresaw would arise upon another Text of Scripture which he brings in pag. 35. viz. Hosea 8. 4. They have set up Kings but not by me They have made Princes but I knew it not But you 'll pardon me Captain that I must take my leave of you a little abruptly I see a worthy Gentleman there that I must have a word with Capt. Farewel then Divine Adieu LONDON Printed and are to be sold by Randall Taylor near Stationers-Hall 1690. Hudib in MS.