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content_v not_o himself_o with_o this_o kind_n of_o teach_v but_o will_v have_v the_o teach_n here_o speak_v of_o to_o be_v a_o difiâ—itive_a sentence_n declare_v and_o determine_v what_o be_v reveal_v and_o what_o the_o sense_n and_o meaning_n of_o it_o be_v as_o i_o show_v chapter_n 4._o numb_a 7._o to_o this_o must_v his_o proof_n be_v apply_v which_o lie_v thus_o if_o feed_v john_n 21._o 15._o be_v not_o teach_v by_o way_n of_o determ_v what_o be_v reveâ—led_v and_o what_o the_o meaning_n of_o it_o be_v then_o we_o must_v understand_v it_o of_o preach_v or_o write_v commentary_n how_o shall_v the_o consequence_n of_o this_o proposition_n be_v make_v good_a since_o this_o feed_n may_v at_o the_o least_o as_o reasonable_o be_v understand_v of_o reveal_v the_o sacred_a mystery_n yea_o this_o interpretation_n be_v more_o reasonable_a because_o the_o word_n be_v speak_v to_o he_o who_o office_n it_o be_v to_o reveal_v those_o mystery_n by_o virtue_n of_o his_o apostolical_a commission_n as_o i_o show_v numb_a 4._o yea_o they_o be_v the_o very_a same_o in_o sense_n and_o meaning_n with_o those_o that_o be_v use_v in_o the_o commission_n go_v teach_v all_o nation_n mark_n 16._o 16._o and_o john_n 20._o 23._o as_o be_v declare_v c._n 4._o n._n 4._o but_o admit_v a_o man_n shall_v say_v it_o be_v mean_v of_o preach_v or_o write_v how_o do_v bellarmine_n refute_v he_o by_o tell_v we_o that_o if_o we_o so_o take_v it_o we_o must_v condemn_v many_o pope_n that_o have_v write_v nothing_o at_o all_o as_o if_o that_o be_v any_o inconvenience_n to_o we_o although_o to_o say_v the_o truth_n most_o of_o the_o pope_n that_o have_v write_v may_v have_v have_v as_o much_o thank_v to_o spare_v their_o labour_n as_o to_o write_v as_o they_o have_v do_v well_o say_v we_o understand_v it_o of_o preach_v that_o may_v not_o be_v neither_o say_v bellarmine_n why_o so_o because_o the_o pope_n can_v preach_v to_o all_o no_o not_o diverse_a pope_n to_o any_o at_o all_o for_o as_o their_o own_o 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that_o feed_v john_n 21._o 15._o be_v commit_v as_o the_o proposition_n so_o the_o assumption_n also_o contain_v four_o several_a point_n distinct_o to_o be_v consider_v that_o 1_o those_o word_n john_n 21._o be_v speak_v to_o peter_n 2_o the_o office_n of_o seed_v be_v commit_v to_o peter_n 3_o peter_n have_v his_o successor_n 4_o the_o office_n of_o seed_v be_v commit_v to_o peter_n successor_n the_o first_o of_o these_o four_o sentence_n or_o point_n be_v rather_o suppose_v then_o express_v in_o the_o assumption_n but_o it_o be_v plain_o deliver_v by_o bellarmin_n it_o be_v say_v to_o peter_n only_o feed_v my_o sheep_n hactenâ—_n bel_n de_fw-fr rom._n poâ—_n l_o c._n 14._o sect._n hactenâ—_n who_o deny_v this_o if_o it_o be_v â—ightly_o under_o the_o speech_n be_v direct_v immediate_o to_o peter_n with_o who_o our_o lord_n then_o talk_v but_o not_o so_o to_o peter_n as_o if_o the_o duty_n to_o which_o he_o be_v exhort_v belong_v to_o none_o but_o to_o 4._o institut_fw-la lib._n 4._o cap._n 6._o n._n 4._o he_o therefore_o calvin_n true_o say_v that_o as_o peter_n receive_v mandemâ—m_n of_o 〈◊〉_d john_n 21._o 15._o so_o all_o other_o minister_n be_v exhort_v to_o feed_v the_o sheep_n 1._o pet._n 5._o 2._o and_o by_o so_o say_v he_o grant_v that_o those_o word_n be_v speak_v to_o peter_n but_o he_o tell_v the_o papist_n withal_o that_o if_o they_o will_v prove_v that_o they_o avouch_v they_o must_v show_v that_o whosoever_o be_v command_v â—o_o feed_v christ_n sâ—eepe_n to_o they_o the_o power_n over_o the_o whole_a church_n be_v commit_v in_o which_o word_n he_o deni_v the_o consequence_n of_o the_o proposition_n which_o he_o do_v not_o express_v but_o acknowledge_v the_o assumption_n contain_v in_o those_o word_n to_o peter_n coâ—tra_fw-la bellar._n de_fw-fr rom._n ponl_o lib._n 1._o c._n 14._o sect._n sed_fw-la coâ—tra_fw-la only_a christ_n say_v feed_v my_o sheep_n by_o which_o it_o be_v manifest_a that_o bellarmine_n do_v caluin_n great_a wrong_n in_o charge_v he_o with_o the_o deny_v that_o those_o word_n john_n 21._o be_v speak_v to_o peter_n only_o and_o spend_v his_o time_n and_o strength_n in_o vain_a to_o prove_v by_o seven_o argument_n against_o caluin_n that_o which_o caluin_n never_o deny_v but_o bellarmine_n meaning_n be_v that_o the_o word_n be_v so_o speak_v to_o peter_n that_o the_o thing_n signify_v by_o they_o belong_v not_o to_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o apostle_n and_o in_o this_o sense_n we_o say_v it_o be_v false_a that_o those_o word_n be_v speak_v to_o peter_n only_o if_o bellarmine_n can_v not_o prove_v they_o true_a in_o this_o sense_n as_o i_o be_o sure_a he_o can_v his_o argument_n be_v nothing_o worth_a for_o how_o shall_v that_o prove_v for_o peter_n and_o his_o successor_n against_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o apostle_n which_o be_v speak_v to_o they_o as_o well_o as_o to_o he_o yet_o it_o be_v not_o to_o be_v wonder_v at_o that_o bellarmin_n go_v not_o about_o to_o prove_v it_o in_o that_o sense_n for_o indeed_o there_o be_v no_o show_n or_o colour_n of_o proof_n for_o it_o because_o the_o word_n of_o god_n no_o where_o make_v any_o distinction_n betwixt_o this_o feed_n john_n 21._o 15._o and_o that_o teach_n mat._n 16._o 16._o john_n 20._o 21._o which_o be_v enjoin_v peter_n and_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o apostle_n equal_o and_o alike_o as_o bellarmine_n vice_n de_fw-fr rom._n pont._n lib._n 1._o c._n 12._o sect._n vice_n confess_v the_o key_n be_v give_v john_n 20._o and_o 21._o for_o when_o our_o lord_n say_v john_n 20._o 19_o peace_n be_v unto_o you_o as_o my_o father_n send_v i_o so_o send_v i_o you_o than_o he_o give_v they_o the_o power_n or_o key_n of_o jurisdiction_n for_o by_o those_o word_n he_o make_v they_o as_o it_o be_v legate_n and_o governor_n of_o the_o church_n in_o his_o name_n but_o in_o the_o word_n follow_v receive_v you_o the_o holy_a ghost_n who_o sin_n you_o remit_v etc._n etc._n he_o give_v they_o the_o power_n of_o order_n and_o thus_o much_o of_o the_o first_o proposition_n of_o the_o four_o the_o second_o follow_v namely_o the_o office_n of_o feed_v joh._n 21._o be_v commit_v to_o peter_n this_o be_v affirm_v in_o plain_a word_n and_o must_v be_v understand_v of_o peter_n alone_o not_o of_o he_o and_o the_o other_o apostle_n for_o that_o will_v not_o serve_v bellarmine_n turn_n because_o it_o prove_v nothing_o for_o the_o pope_n power_n or_o against_o that_o we_o defend_v beside_o bellarmine_n strive_v here_o for_o a_o office_n proper_a to_o peter_n because_o he_o call_v it_o a_o singular_a office_n but_o how_o can_v that_o be_v proper_a to_o peter_n which_o be_v cominon_n to_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o apostle_n with_o he_o this_o also_o we_o deny_v as_o caluin_n do_v long_o since_o in_o this_o word_n 4._o institut_fw-la lib._n 4._o cap._n 6._o n._n 4._o feed_v say_v he_o nothing_o be_v give_v to_o peter_n more_o than_o to_o the_o other_o bellarmine_n shall_v have_v prove_v that_o this_o convey_v a_o proper_a office_n to_o the_o pope_n and_o not_o have_v take_v that_o for_o grant_v which_o he_o know_v we_o always_o deny_v but_o he_o do_v not_o so_o much_o as_o offer_v to_o make_v any_o proof_n of_o it_o either_o de_fw-fr verbo_fw-la 14._o lib._n 3._o cap._n 5._o lib._n 1._o cap._n 14._o dei_fw-la or_o de_fw-fr roman_n pontif._n in_o both_o which_o place_n he_o profess_o dispute_v the_o point_n indeed_o in_o the_o latter_a place_n he_o prove_v that_o the_o word_n feed_v my_o sheep_n be_v speak_v to_o peter_n only_o but_o what_o be_v that_o to_o prove_v that_o feed_n john_n 21._o be_v commit_v to_o peter_n only_o some_o man_n perhaps_o will_v imagine_v that_o the_o latter_a depend_v upon_o the_o former_a but_o he_o will_v quick_o change_v his_o
show_v that_o they_o be_v weak_a and_o vain_a so_o that_o the_o point_n be_v still_o as_o questionable_a as_o it_o be_v before_o therefore_o bellarmine_n be_v also_o guilty_a of_o a_o second_o beg_v of_o the_o question_n because_o his_o proof_n be_v by-matter_n as_o doubtful_a or_o more_o doubtful_a than_o that_o be_v which_o he_o will_v prove_v by_o they_o and_o of_o this_o manner_n of_o beg_v the_o question_n speak_v the_o forename_a aristole_n beg_v of_o the_o question_n be_v when_o the_o proof_n be_v from_o thing_n less_o 16._o prio._n analyt_v l._n 2._o cap._n 16._o know_v or_o equal_o unknown_a and_o this_o be_v not_o say_v aristotle_n to_o demonstrate_v the_o question_n but_o what_o if_o we_o grant_v bellarmine_n that_o which_o he_o can_v prove_v that_o there_o be_v such_o a_o office_n yet_o may_v we_o nevertheless_o deny_v his_o assumption_n and_o say_v that_o the_o episcopal_a authority_n over_o the_o whole_a church_n perish_v at_o peter_n death_n will_v he_o tell_v we_o that_o it_o be_v ordain_v for_o the_o good_a of_o the_o church_n what_o then_o it_o will_v not_o follow_v thereupon_o that_o it_o must_v be_v perpetual_a unless_o he_o can_v show_v that_o our_o lord_n appoint_v it_o shall_v continue_v for_o ever_o by_o succession_n for_o the_o whole_a course_n of_o publish_v the_o gospel_n and_o bring_v man_n to_o true_a faith_n in_o christ_n depend_v whole_o upon_o the_o ordinance_n of_o god_n who_o be_v able_a to_o make_v any_o mean_v effectual_a to_o his_o purpose_n be_v not_o tie_v to_o use_v any_o but_o what_o please_v he_o therefore_o if_o bellarmine_n can_v show_v that_o it_o be_v the_o ordinance_n of_o god_n that_o such_o a_o episcopal_a function_n as_o he_o imagine_v peter_n have_v shall_v be_v continue_v always_o in_o the_o church_n it_o be_v no_o inconvenience_n to_o hold_v that_o it_o perish_v with_o peter_n death_n and_o of_o this_o first_o argument_n enough_o his_o second_o argument_n be_v in_o the_o say_v twelâ—th_o chapter_n sect._n secundo_fw-la and_o it_o be_v thus_o to_o be_v dispose_v if_o in_o the_o time_n of_o the_o apostle_n there_o be_v one_o supreme_a governor_n of_o the_o church_n than_o there_o ought_v to_o be_v so_o now_o because_o the_o form_n of_o the_o church_n may_v not_o be_v change_v see_v it_o be_v one_o and_o the_o same_o at_o all_o time_n but_o in_o the_o time_n of_o the_o apostle_n there_o be_v one_o supreme_a governor_n and_o head_n of_o the_o church_n therefore_o there_o ought_v to_o be_v so_o now_o the_o assumption_n or_o second_o part_n of_o this_o syllogism_n be_v as_o doubtful_a as_o the_o conclusion_n infer_v upon_o it_o and_o therefore_o it_o be_v a_o beg_n of_o the_o question_n not_o a_o proof_n of_o the_o former_a syllogism_n but_o be_v it_o never_o so_o true_a he_o be_v never_o the_o near_o for_o the_o consequence_n of_o the_o proposition_n be_v naught_o because_o there_o be_v no_o necessity_n that_o the_o church_n shall_v always_o have_v that_o office_n which_o at_o any_o time_n it_o have_v have_v for_o this_o necessity_n if_o there_o be_v any_o such_o must_v spring_v out_o of_o the_o nature_n either_o of_o god_n himself_o or_o of_o the_o church_n or_o depend_v upon_o the_o decree_n of_o god_n will_n to_o say_v there_o be_v any_o necessity_n in_o the_o nature_n of_o god_n or_o of_o the_o church_n which_o may_v enforce_v the_o continual_a be_v of_o that_o which_o once_o be_v be_v absurd_a it_o remain_v then_o that_o there_o must_v be_v some_o act_n of_o god_n will_v by_o which_o it_o be_v decree_v that_o whatsoever_o office_n have_v once_o be_v in_o the_o church_n shall_v be_v in_o it_o for_o ever_o as_o i_o answer_v numb_a 5._o wherefore_o bellarmine_n must_v show_v we_o some_o ordinance_n of_o god_n for_o the_o continuance_n of_o such_o government_n suppose_v there_o be_v once_o such_o a_o one_o or_o give_v we_o leave_v to_o reject_v it_o he_o will_v make_v good_a the_o consequence_n of_o the_o proposition_n and_o the_o proof_n of_o it_o against_o our_o exception_n by_o this_o argument_n if_o the_o church_n be_v one_o and_o the_o same_o at_o all_o time_n than_o the_o form_n of_o it_o may_v not_o be_v change_v but_o the_o church_n be_v one_o and_o the_o same_o at_o all_o time_n therefore_o the_o form_n of_o it_o may_v not_o be_v change_v in_o the_o antecedent_n part_n of_o the_o proposition_n and_o in_o the_o assumption_n by_o one_o bellarmine_n mean_v essential_o one_o by_o form_n in_o the_o consequent_a part_n he_o understand_v form_n of_o government_n according_a to_o this_o sense_n we_o say_v the_o consequence_n of_o the_o proposition_n be_v naught_o for_o the_o form_n of_o the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n be_v not_o of_o the_o essence_n of_o the_o church_n as_o bellarmine_n here_o vain_o suppose_v and_o false_o affirm_v in_o his_o autem_fw-la his_o dâ—_n eccles_n lib._n 3._o cap_n 2_o sect._n nostra_fw-la autem_fw-la definition_n of_o the_o church_n the_o assumption_n right_o understand_v be_v true_a the_o church_n indeed_o 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