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A29269 A plea for the peoples fundamentall liberties and parliaments, or, Eighteen questions questioned & answered which questions were lateley propounded by Mr. Jeremy Jves, pretending thereby to put the great question between the army and their dissenting brethren in the Parliament of the commonwealth of England out of question / by Capt. William Bray. Bray, William, 17th cent.; Ives, Jeremiah, fl. 1653-1674. Eighteen questions propounded. 1659 (1659) Wing B4306; ESTC R158 13,677 22

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