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A93414 A gagg for the Quakers, with an answer to Mr. Denn's Quaker no Papist. Smith, Thomas, 1623 or 4-1661. 1659 (1659) Wing S4231bA; Thomason E764_2; ESTC R207100 18,205 20

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oath to me to declare whether I think the Articles of the Councill of Trent be Orthodox and Catholick and I swear no from this oath ten thousand Parliaments can never absolve me If I swear in truth I need no Absolution but if I therein forswear my self the Parliament can not free me from perjury nor remit the guilt of it The matter of this oath was Concerning belief and I never yet heard or read that any Parliament in England did assume power of setting men at liberty from beleiving what they believe in matter of Religion I grant that an Act of Parliament may be repealed by a Parliament and so the Law of exacting this oath may be abrogated but that an oath taken Concerning matter of belief or not belief can be voided by any Power on earth is the doctrine not of any English Parliament but only of the Conclave at Rome therefore good Mr. Denne creep not under the wing of an English Parliament but confesse your Argument to be a naked weapon of a Romish Jesuite 27. To your 10th I answer briefly that 't is not to be imagined any English Parliament hath or will forbid the subject of any Prince to acknowledg that civill subjection which is due to his Soveraign so long as he remaines in his dominions 28. In your 11th and 12th Sections you make the oath of abjuration to be both a prelaticall and Presbyterian design prelaticall men must be sure to pay for all but whereas you tell me divers times of Prelatical malice and that the Papists Vniversally disown that Tenet which is objected to them as theirs viz. That faith is not to be kept with Hereticks I shall not insist upon the Lateran councel which decreed anno 1216. can. 30. that the Pope hath power to absolve subjects from their obedience which is one of those Synods to which Bellarmin saith all that are Catholicks must submit but I reply that what you say here is nothing to the purpose for Mr. S. never said otherwise for in the 16th page of his preface to Daille's Apology for the Reformed Churches he professeth so much kindness to the Romanist in this particular that I have heard him censured by some of them as talking there like an inamorato But methinks both they and you instead of censuring him and bringing new arguments should answer that which he printed therein above six years since especially when he there doth very earnestly beseech them to answer it professing that he had been many years troubled with it The argument is this That which one or two or some few Roman Doctors say is lawfull may in the judgment of Papists be done without danger of mortal sin the Major is Mr. Knots charity maintained c. 4. 25. as also Valentia Vasquez Lessius Enriques Sa Cellot de Hierarchia l. 8. c. 16. p. 714. But not only one but many Roman Doctors say 't is lawfull to murder or depose a supreme Magistrate that is guilty of heresie or suspected of it Cavete principes conclusionem The minor is sufficiently proved by Dr. Jer. Taylors sermon on the powder treason p. 50. and 51. and in a small tract intituled Romish positions for rebellion collected by Bp. Morton and Mr. Yaxley's reasons why he could not be a Romanist as he much desired and a good subject to his Soveraign at one time 29. Reading 'tother day Sleidans relation of your friends affairs at Munster I met with this passage that there was a law made at the councel of Constance that promise should not be kept with Hereticks or those that be suspected for Hereticks though they came to the Synod upon the publick faith of the Emperour for the hearing of their cause Sleidan l. 3. ad an. 1521 mihi p. 59. edit. Francf 80. 30. You who pretend to skill in all Popish histories cannot but know that John Hus had the Emperour Sigismunds safe conduct in as large termes as might be expressed gratè suscipere favorabiliter tractare omnique prorsus impedimento remoto transire stare morari redirè libere permittatis sibique Husso suis dum opus fuerit de securo salvo velitis debeatis providere conductu ad honorem Reverentiam nostrae Regiae Majestatis And notwithstanding this he was burnt which questionless the Emp. would not have suffered but either in obedience to the command of the councel or upon that Councels perswading him that he was not to keep promise with a man whom they had declared an heretick a man who ad incendium quasi ad epulas properavit linguâ potens mundioris vitae opinione clarus as Aeneas Sylvius afterwards Pope Pius the 2d Hist. Bohem. c. 35. 36. a man whose rare endowments Poghius the Florentine historian and Orator an eye-witness of his triall at the Councel of Constance admired saying nihil unquam protulit indignum bono viro ut si id in fine sentiebat quod verbis profitebatur nulla in eum 〈…〉 edum mortis causa inveniri justa posset O virum dignum memoriâ hominum sempiternâ epist. Poghii ad Lenard Aretin in fascic. rerum expet fug. p. 153. which passages I cite lest you should object Campians retractus ex fugâ or any such frivolous pretence 31. In summe since you impertinently affirm that the Papists universaly disown that Tenet that faith is not to be kept with Hereticks methinks 't is fit you should prove that they universally disown the Councel of Constance which is one of Bellarmines 17. unless you are so far Jesuited as that you reject that councell because it ejected two Popes 32. Mr. S. never yet said that Papists ought not to be permited to improve their estates nor that there are not some Papists who abhorre breaking their promise and therefore while Mr. D. talkes to the contrary he fights with his shadow but you shall do well to prove that no Papists can take advantage from the decree of the Councel of Constance to break their promises made to Protestants And I cannot but take notice how much the Papists are beholden to Mr. Denne for telling the World very plainly that they may finde every jot as much honest proceeding and credit in Papists as in Protestants p. 15. l. penult 33. A few lines after having told us that the Presbyterians are easily enough infected with such leaven prelaticall malice he falls into these words Nor do they while they fall thus upon others take any notice of or indeavour to answer those things which are standing objections against thems●lves to wit in relation to their rebellion disobedience and apostacy from the government of the church of Rome which in good earnest I think they will never be able to answer upon their own principles Ans. Observe how this man though he called himself Anabaptist and Sectary but two or three lines before these words now soon forgets what person he had assumed pulls off his Vizard and appears a bare