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A75428 An ansvver to the chief, or materiall heads & passages of the late declaration, called, The declaration of the kingdome of Scotland and ansvver to the commissioners to both Houses of Parliament, upon the new propositions of peace, and the foure bills. Imprimatur, Gilb. Mabbot. 1648 (1648) Wing A3398; Thomason E421_32; ESTC R204779 19,190 26

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what Letter was sent to the Parliament after the battel at Marston-moor by the Generals Which you conceive to be the cause of the alterations A terrible disgrace to the Parliament as if the Parliament were moved in the least by the London Remonstrance drest at Worcester house This you say might have been prevented if the Parliament at first framing the new Model had hearkened to the advice of taking the covenant c. It 's true then there had been an Army that would not have subdued Englands enemies probably in one and twenty years and the Kingdom must have been subject all this while to plunder mens wives and daughters subject to the same condition as they were in the North. But the Proposition for London is left out in which formeerly it was ordained that they have their Militia in their own hands also the Tower and that their Militia go not out of the City but by their consent also an Act of Parliament for confirming their Charters Customs Liberties c. And an Act that all by-By-laws be as firm as an Act of Parliament with power to repeal them as they please and for good service done by Parliament For London these times give it over-great to be ruled either by King or Parliament and so reason bids no addition The people that govern in it in regard their skill is chiefly in getting money have little understanding in any thing else especially the Ancients in whom rule is and therefore subject to run several ways in a week therefore very unfit to manage weapons and most unfit to have charge of the Tower where all weapons are For Charter Priviledges c they have often been confirmed and if now forfeited as sure not the Act of oblivion puts in old State As for their by-By-laws being as good as an Act of Parliament if it were granted London would be undone for example all Acts done in Common-Councel relating to London are by-By-Laws no Acts of Parliament Put case they give Fifty Subsidies to Parliament To repair of Pauls To make a new Line of Communication And then give as much more to pull it down should they agree that their Militia that is the Train Bands or Housekeepers go to Newcastle or farther in arms and all these binding a man had better be a slave in Turkey then a free Citizen of London A hundred other instances might be given As for power of repealing there 's no danger if the making binde not Let it be considered what a brave City London would be if a company of Shoe-makers Taylors Chandlers Bricklayers Plaisterers and such like men who generally can neither write nor read shall be able to make Laws as good as if by King Lords and Commons agreed unto what will become of London and where is His Majesties Negative voyce or the Lords and Commons a Cobler of London is a brave man indeed As to the Court of Wards there seems to be no difference His Majesty is willing to part with it upon consideration and the Parliament is willing to give it For Deans and Chapters Lands intended for augmentation of means for ministers you wish it so To settle One hundred pounds a year and no more for every Minister and dividing the Parishes as equal as possible will do well but why the Ox should eat of any mans corn but his he treads out seems irregular There is one thing more that is The Bill for the Militia sent to the King gives power to put Soldiers into the Town of Barwick contrary to the large Treaty The words are no more but these That His Majesty consent that the Militia of the Kingdom of England and Dominion of Wales and Town of Barwick also the Island of Garnsey and Jersey be in the hands of Parliament the reason of the naming Barwick being not for putting Soldiers in but because that Town is reckoned a part of Scotland and so named being not comprehended in England as is not Wales Garnsey and Jersey whence see how easie it is for discontent to finde fault where none is Somewhat might be added as to the late Dissent presented to His Majesty whose fore-goer was a Trumpet Truly your love is kindely taken and sure will be by England but the Trumpet cannot be terrible Your Dissent in matters of Religion is allowed you by Instructions but for the glory of the King you are required an endeavor and no more But to allow you the Dissent Consider whether this hath not been a means to keep His Majesty from consent and indeed it appears by His Majesties Answer that He is turned about thereby For whereas in one of His Messages He desires to give the Scots content apart now His main Objection putting Him upon refusal is your dissent and so you may be said to be the hinderers of a good Peace For let it be observed His Majesty gives no Reasons against the Bills onely in general they divest the Crown which for former failings in former Messages He was content to yield unto And so whereas His Majesty and the Commissioners of Scotland press that Argument or Reason may take place they now flie to they cannot agree or they dissent and there 's an end If any one had pleased to take this pains a little to undeceive the people this should have been willingly spared In that which the Parliament are to give in answer you will have things full and clear to all though it may be you may stay sometime in the mean time if this prove but a peparative to keep the mindes of men from being too much carried away with one story until they hear another it is all that is aimed at FINIS
follow the Kings forces to Worcester goe quite another way As for the violation of every Article of the Covenant by the Sectaries shew where they have violated that which saith they will amend their lives or that which saith they will bring Delinquents to condigne punishment or that where it s said they will maintaine the Doctrine and Discipline of Scotland against the common enemy nay indeed shew that they have violated any of the Articles of the Covenant Dividing between the King and his people or making factions against the Covenant and taking to them the name of Saints yet are to be accounted Mulignants Intendiaries evil instruments What is casier then to charge what harder then to prove no worse character then to be apt to charge and unable to prove Have the Sectaries divided between the King and his people What said the Propliec to the King are the Presbyters in England only the Kings people what shall become of the Episcopall party are the Presbyters and they the Kings people why a Cavalier more then a Sectary and how doe these divide by seeing farther into the plots of those that would make fruitlesse all our bloud and sufferings then others that would faine patch up an unfound peace Take here two expressions the first of Mr. Sir Jo Chees Well said he talke what you will and doe what you will with the King now you have him at Holdenby if ever he agree or doe any thing by way of compliance or condescention then never trust Scotland who have tryed him over and over The other of an honest and wise Presbyterian Minister now in North hamptonshire who used these words If else Independints bad not seen farther into King Charles then the Presbyters we had been the miserablest people in the world by this time and this was said upon occasion of discourse of the Battle at Nusehy The name of Saints is justly given to holy men sanctity is sanctification the good living shews the saint not a swearer a drunkard a whore master a flet a thief a plunderer but he that prays medirates hears the word preached doth no hurt to his neighbour is a saint Now if all be saints that are thus affirmative and negative what a poore company of Saints are in England and Scotland and how many Sectaries will be found Saints For Saint must not be confind to such a mind or judgement then what will become of all men that differ though but in circumstances if only one sort be Saints they were mighty in Scripture and holy no doubt who had not heard that there was a holy Ghost They are to be accounted Malignants Incendiaries and evill Instruments that hinder a good peace and foment an evill war but to put that upon them that differ from you in Judgement and therefore and conclude your selves contrary because Covenanters or of another Judgement is ridiculous give an instance and prove it and you say and doe something but to say it only may be in like kind retorted upon you and if it were necessary proved it may be And in show take this Argument They that doe most conforme to and comply with those that have been the principall cause of all the miseries that have of late been in these three Kingdomes are most malignant but in writing Declarations overtures and attempts the Scots Commissioners if not the Kingdom of Scotland have Ergo. they that will read and consider may prove the assumtion That pious and peaceable men should be troubled because that in all things they cannot conforme to presbyterian Government and may stand with publick peace and is not destructive to Order and Government of the Church is not your desire Bellarmin writ twelve books to prove Justification by works and towards the end saith the best and surest way is to be justifid by the merits of Christ alone You have done the same in this for sure there cannot be found a man this day in England that would have any man or opinion tollerated that is not accompanied with piety and peace and will stand with and is not destructive to the Order and Government of the Church that shall be or is crected and if th one be its fit he be rooted out as an one my to the peace of the kingdom Yet they doe from their hearts and foules abhor such a vast and generall Tolleration as is inconsistent with the Covenant and will see all in confusion But what if it may stand with publick peace and not destructive to the Order and Government of the Church which should have been the assumtion and not the Covenant for that was never understood nor is ever like to be but the civill peace and Government of the Church being undermined or destroyd will behavious when a toleration hath so done then complaint the Parliament is the proper Judge what will make for Englands p●●ce if they allow it let others be patient untill they see contrary and then no doubt the Parliament will hear and reforme Therefore they obtest the Parliament by the Covenant and what ever they have said or done to induce the Kingdom of Scotland to joyn with them that they do not establish such impious tolleration The Parliament what ever they have said or done to induce the kingdom of Scotland to joyn met with a reciprocall inclination and for the Covenant they do not violate it in their own judgements in satisfying tender consciences If it be such as will stand with the peace of the kingdom and not destructive to the Government erected you allow it and you will not allow that which is impious have patience and see whether this tolleration be so If you say impious in your Judgement that will be but your Judgement the Parliament would be loath to be thought the tolleraters of any thing that is impious do not charge them unlesse you are able to prove it which yet appears not The second Difference is the Interest and Power of the Crown and so by Covenant bound to support the Kings Just Power and Greatness That is answered before But thus much if the Kingdom of Scotland will say the King notwithstanding what hath been past by his instruments in His Name to the hurt of both Kingdoms ought to be restored in His Just Power and Greatness that is for so they must say whatever de jure was His formerly must again be His what then needs any Personal Treaties any new Bills or any more but an humble Petition to His Majesty to come and govern again without any Conditions at all But if any restriction may be how comes it or what is meant by this Just Rights of the Crown This consists they say in consenting to Laws And who denies it Is the Parliament about to restore the King and not Laws upon Him without His consent Wherefore then do they send them to Him nay sure they will not deny Him his Reasons they did not in the Petition of Right when He stuck at
some part of it it was argued on both sides by a Committee of Parliament and learned Councel of the Kings and upon Debate the Kings Councel yielded and the King consented Bills or Acts of Parliament do not hinder His Majesty of making his exceptions These words His Majesty will advise These and many other you bring to prove His Majesties Negative ought to be allowed Him But do you mean that He shall say so and that is sufficient for shame do not urge it so for if after a Parliament hath been long in making Laws it may be for the support of the Being of the Kingdom and to prevent immediate Ruine and Destruction and while these Laws were making have spent the Kingdom many thousands shall His Majesty by the Advice of a Favorite dissolve the Parliament and say He will advise to what end are Parliaments they were as good never sit or Debate when such an answer shall blast all It s one thing to give Reasons against and another thing to blast good endeavors by saying I will but do nothing And in this case if the Kingdom stand in eminent and real need no doubt the Parliament may declare a Law and so Keeper Littleton said this Parliament That an Ordinance was good if His Majesty refused with I will advise and not do so And in protecting and defending His Subjects Sure the Parliament will not deal with His Majesty as the Egyptians did with the Israelites if they intreat Him to take again the Protection of them they will give Him wherewith Yet remember that Kings of England in their fullest Power could not raise Men or Money to defend themselves or Subjects without Parliament And all know that these two wanting it s a poor defence that can be made And though Kings who usually studied the weal of their People were permitted to make War and Peace as they saw cause yet it cannot be proved nor seems it reasonable the premises considered that de Jure the Militia was so in the King or Power of War and Peace as that he could do it without consent of the Parliament but that the People whom it chiefly concerned and who were like to undergo the miseries or good incident to them were asked and yet His Majesty in as full Power as any of the Kings of England Many a time it hath been said in Parliaments before this That the King could not go to War without consent of His Subjects and how often did Kings when they saw a necessity of War call Parliaments and communicate their desires and had consent from Parliament Which are the Essence and Being of all Kings and the chief part of their Duty and Function The main Conditions at the Coronation it s confest is to 〈…〉 but they are both according to Law 〈◊〉 the Militia you are content it be setled so as it may not 〈…〉 agreed but you would have His Majesty have it as to Foraig● States and His Posterity after Him which to deny roots up the foundation of Monarchy If His Majesty have it as to any Affair how is it consistent with the Parliaments having it and may not a Power intended to one place be converted to another how often hath it and so presently a new Wat As for His Majesty no doubt the Parliament when they see Him so moved as that He is cordial for the Liberty of the Subject The Interest of Religion as agreed no doubt they will be apt again to repose in him and until he hath taken the Covenant if you remember the Negotiation with the Queen you are neither willing he have the Militia or any thing else For His Posterity you know how the Heir apparent hath acted where he is how he there acts and moves what assurance he hath given of acting better then his Father and is not the Parliament wise in being shie how they intrust their Life and Death and into whose Hands they put that Power As for rooting up the foundation of Monarchy it s but restricting it thereby to bring it to be consistent with the Peoples Liberty the stick that is crooked must be set for a time the contrary way or it will never be strait Yet you would not have Monarchy as high as Tyranny The Father would not have the Son take evil courses but yet gives way that he have the same allowance company place opportunity as before And you by no means can agree to an Armies being up in England now there 's no Enemy when some Garisons and the Train bands may do it and not an Army to inslave King and Subject Hath the Parliament of England taken any notice of what you in Scotland continue or disband you would fain have us naked once more that we might either be surprised by our Adversaries or need again your help For the Trained bands we have had experience of them and seen the miserable inconvenience in London and Countrey of taking housekeepers from Trade Wives Children and Servants and how many thousand have been thereby undone and how the Kingdom hath thereby been impoverished You are not ignorant that in other parts of the world the Plow and Trade pays the Soldier and that those who are not faln upon that fight but were these Trained bands Sectaries then by no means Trained bands would not do well As for the Armies inslaving King and Subject it s not so they are kept on foot that England may not be slave to King and Scotland When your Army returned into Scotland it was expected the Parliament disband this in England Was it sure it was not imagined England was so much fool somewhat hath been said to that before Farther thus Were there not an Army in England what think you would become of Presbytery let any reasonable man judge if it would stand a moneth and not be rooted out and the preachers and professors of it Do not think to deceive the world with words England in general loves Episcopacy better and Popery as well as Presbytery for in time of Episcopacy they had all things in plenty and good fellowship to boot who shall expect to enjoy Bishops Lands in lieu of their money you had if no Army when will the Parliaments debts be paid without an Army how will money be had to reduce Ireland without an Army You see an Army can hardly do these things but in spight of Parliament and Army Common-Prayer book and whatever is Episcopal enters openly and men refuse to pay any kinde of Taxes Therefore you declare that Propositions go for disbanding That is Sectaries that so an Army of Presbyters may come in the room and if you put it not so it s not as the Eleven Members would have nor according to the Compact with them and their Party And truly could Presbyters have been kept from being tampering with Royalists to patch up an unsound Accord its probable Sectaries had never been used so much and could such be had its like They might be with