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A44083 Ruin to ruin, after misery to misery being the distressed, and ruined, and perishing state of the loyal and faithful seamen of England, and wherein is laid down : I. their ruined state in several particulars, II. that it is like to be three or four years more before they are paid, except an extraordinary supply be raised, and appropriated for them, III. that as many ships, and thousands and ten thousands of men have five or six years pay due, if they are not timely paid, it is like to be eight or nine years between their beginning to earn their money and their being paid, IV. a proposal humbly offered how they may be paid off, all by May next, without borrowing one penny of money, V. several reasons for their being justly and honestly paid, VI. an humble proposal for the advantage of a million or two in a year to the nation in a few years, and lastly, an humble supplication for the taking off some part of the act of Parliament concerning the poor miserable seamens paying 6d the month out of their wages / all humbly represented by ... William Hodges. Hodges, William, Sir, 1645?-1714. 1699 (1699) Wing H2332; ESTC R5551 37,766 44

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for a Year and there being above a Hundred Thousand of the miserable Seamen run out of their Pay as the several Ships Books will prove which is Thirty Thousand Payments ruined three times over And also as there is about an hundred and fifty Thousand Payments more due that are not made Run If they are not Paid before the Seamen by lingring now on Shore have Spent it or take Tickets and sell for half Loss or what they can get and so murder their Pay and starve their Families or Cheat and Ruin their Creditors it will be a way to have five times more a Stroak of Ruin if not many knocked down with it But I say had these things been contrived by our Enemies and the Enemies of God and Goodness aforesaid and had been known openly it would have been prevented But being carried on by pretended Friends and by pretended Policy we have lost five times more Seamens Lives this War and that the most part without Fighting than ever was Lost at Sea by Fighting in the most Bloody War that ever was although when our Nation was at War with the Dutch in 1666. Our Commanders and Ships fought against the Dutch like so many Furies some of them as if the Devil and the Jesuits had laid a Plot to Establish the Protestant Religion by the spuiling and destroying of two of the most Potent Protestant Nations Ships and Seamen But now in this War we have had such scandalous running away from the French at Sea as if a Protestant Church was to be established by letting the most violent persecuting People on the Face of the Earth crow over us and although Blessed be God that Admiral Russel did with our Fleet Beat the French Couragiously that they could never dare to fight us since yet our Loyal and faithful couragious but miserable Seamen have been more Ruined since than any History I could ever Read of or Parallel and I do think as I said before we have lost more Seamens Lives without Fighting than was ever lost in our English Fleet fighting since the days of William the Conqueror and therefore as I am a going to render some Reasons for the Seamens being honestly and timely paid this may be the First That as their Ruin and Destruction have been more in the Service of this Government than under any King or Government in these Nations therefore in Honour Honesty and Justice they should now be honestly and speedily Paid what is due to them Secondly To let their Families Perish now for want of their Pay would be against Grace and Reason and Common Sence Thirdly Their Pay being so Prodigious great can never be Paid while the World standeth except there be Money Raised on purpose by the King and Parliament Fourthly Their Pay being as beforesaid due great part for several Years and it hath been a dreadful Case to let the Ruining Perishing Families live on Credit or Starve so long and if it be several Years more as it must be without a considerable Supply it will be not only like Misery to Misery but like Cruelty to Misery Fifthly Tho there be some millions of Money due to others in England besides the Seamen yet it 's most either to those who have Interest for it or have gotten a great deal of it if not all by the Government and it is well if some have not Cheated for half of it but as I said they have greatest part Interest for it But the interest that the poor Seamen have is many of them Rags and Lice and Poverty and Misery to them and the Starving and Perishing of their Ruined Families that have no Money neither now at last any Credit and if they have they Pay perhaps ten in the Hundred more than others and this and their Cries and Groans to God Angels and Men has such Interest as the miserable Seamen meet withal for lying out of their Money for their Faithful and Loving Serving this Government Sixthly The lettings of the Seamen be Ruined and Perish more under this Government than they ever did in any Age of the World in so few Years seem to Cross the very end and design of Gods raising up this Government which was for to deliver us from misery and slavery and make us happy and safe and prosperous Seventhly We cannot in a probable way be either safe or happy in these Nations without the help and assistance of the Seamen and one would think neither Jesuites nor Jacobites nor Men nor Devils could prevail upon us to run and destroy and Ruin the Seamen and their Families more than needs must when it is in our Power to pay them however at last their just due Eighthly His Majesty hath spoken for them several times and tho' he did not Name them in his last Speech yet he Naming the National Debts of which there is no doubt but he was willing that they should be paid also Ninthly Both the King and Parliament and Acts of Parliment have Recorded them to be such as the strength and safery of these Nations and all His Majesties Dominions doth depend upon and what Madness would it be to Impoverish and Ruin such as our happiness and safety so much depends upon Tenthly The King and Parliament have as aforesaid declared that they have distinguished themselves throughout the World by their Industry Diligence and Skilfulness in their Imployments and by their Courage and Constancy for the Defence and Honour of these Nations and what a Crying sin adn shame would it be to let such Perish for want of their Pay as the whole World admires for their braveries Eleventhly His Majesty and the Parliament as aforesaid hath declared that if they and their Families fall under hardships and misery they should be Relieved at the Publick Charge and if so then how dreadful would it be if instead of being relieved by the publick they should be more Ruined by the publick by waiting many Ten Thousands of them Year after Year longer for what is due in some Years past Twelfthly The Ruin of them and their Families is against common sence for common sence will tell any Man in England that his Dogs or Horses must have Food or Perish and if the Seamens Families have neither Money nor Credit they must Starve or be Relieved by the Parishes and I do not find that when poor wretched Seamens Families have been kept unpaid 4 or 5 Years and it may be one or two of their Children are Perished that the Parishes are ready to relieve the rest but will rather be ready to say What! ask Relief and have 50 or 60 l due It hath grieved my very Soul to see the Tears and Cries of some of them in their Misery and if they would have hanged themselves could not get their own and how crying a Sin and Shame this is I appeal to God and Man and if these Nations lets them run the hazard of their Perishing worse than they would their Dogs and Horses
RUIN to RUIN AFTER MISERY to MISERY Being the distressed and Ruined and perishing State of the Loyal and Faithful Seamen of England and wherein is laid down I. their ruined State in several particulars II. That it is like to be three or four Years more before they are paid except an extraordinary Supply be raised and appropriated for them III. That as many Ships and thousands and ten thousands of Men have five or six years pay due if they are not timely paid it is like to be eight or nine Years between their beginning to earn their Money and their being paid IV. A Proposal humbly offered how they may be paid offall by May next without borrowing one penny of Money V. Several Reasons for their being Justly and Honestly paid VI. An humble Proposal for the advantage of a Million or two in a Year to the Nation in a few Years And Lastly An humble Supplication for the taking off some part of the Act of Parliament concerning the poor miserable Seamens paying 6d the Month out of their Wages All humbly represented by a faithful Subject to his Majesty and Servant to the Parliament and Nation William Hodges London Printed five or six hundred of these humbly to give away to the most Honourable Houses of Parliament but none to sell about Streets 1699. TO The most Excellent Majesty of King William the Third and to the Two most Honourable Houses the Lords Spiritual and Temporal and Commons in Parliament assembled humbly Sheweth May it please your Most Gracious Majesty and you the most Noble Right Noble and Honoured Senators THE Providence of God having stirred me up for some years last past to represent the dreadful Ruin and Misery and Destruction of the Loyal and Valiant Seamen of England in the Destruction of their Lives Health and payment in such a most deplorable Case as is in no Age or History Recorded that I could hear or read of either of these Nations or any other Nations for the Sea-faring part of Mankind And there having been an Act of Parliament or two concerning their Relief it may be supposed now all is well But what shall I say their Miseries have been in some cases worse than before as first before those Acts there were many Ships had three or four years Pay due to them and now there is many have five or six Years Pay due to them Secondly Before they had it may be ten hundred thousand Pound due to them but they have had above eighteen hundred thousand Pound due to them for Wages as the Honourable House of Commons in their votes last March declared was due to them at Michaelmas 1697. And though there was a Payment last Winter of near forty Ships there were not four of them paid clearly off but want to be Re call'd many thousands of Payments and of above two hundred Ships put up for Recals in August 97 there is above an hundred of them not paid one Groat since and so there is some thousands of Payments of above 4 5 and 6 years standing as by the Printed List put up at the Navy-Office and of the Ships names and times of Payment will appear two of which List I intend to present to the Honourable Speakers of the Houses of Lords and Commons for the Houses to peruse and two to present to his Grace the Archbishop of Canterbury one for himself and the other for his Majesty and there every one may see that those poor Wretches Families that had run the hazard of Starving and perishing by lying out of their honest Pay 3 or 4 Years have now to add to their full Ruin and Destruction if possible lain out 5 or 6 years or more and there is ten or eleven Ships now at this time at Portsmouth that have not been paid off this 4 or 5 years most part and having between Three and four hundred Thousand Pound due to them as by the several Ships Books will appear and though their Miseries have been so great yet the Nation has been put to some hundreds of thousands of Pounds of needless Charge that might have been saved if they had been paid off when the War was ended and as I said there are many other Ships of several Years standing unpaid that counting there was last year 1800000 pound due for Sea-Wages and suppose 600000 paid since four hundred Thousand grown due since it will be found to be about Sixteen hundred Thousand Pound due at this Day for Wages and how dreadfully ruined and Starving a Condition those Families must be in who have not had one Penny to support them with Bread or Cloaths to keep them from starving for 5 or 6 Years cannot easily be known nor easily Lamented and as they have been worse paid so also have they been worse fed since the Act of Parliament for their Relief for before this Act sometimes a Ship was put to short Allowance for a few Weeks at Sea in Case of Necessity But after the Act for their Encouragement they were most part of the Summer and the greatest part of the Fleet put to Short Allowauce Six M●n to have but four Mens Victuals and that a great part of the Year 1697 and not only at Sea but in Harbours at Portsmouth and at Chatham and wanted Bread at the Buoy of the Nore as the Books of the whole Fleet will make appear and therefore let their incouragement have appeared to be what it will their discouragement was Augmented and for that and for some other Reasons I would humbly entreat for the Loyal Seamen of England that some part of that Act may be Repealed or altered But the first thing which I believe both God and Justice and Moral Honesty and Humanity requires is to pay the Labourers these miserable poor impoverished beggered ruined and undone Wretches their Wages due to them for their hire that after the laying down of above Sixty Thousand of their Lives and the Ruin and Running of above an Hundred Thousand of their Payments that they are stripped of by those fatal Letters Q. R. The rest of their Payments not Ravished from them as yet openly being near an Hundred and Forty Thousand Payments may be honestly and speedily paid them and that the Nation need not to excuse the Paying of them for want of Money I would humbly propose how there might be the full Payment of them with Ease before Lady-day without Borrowing a Groat That is by the Issuing out of sixteen or 18 hundred Thousand Pounds of Chequer-Bills as before but they must be appropriated for the Payment of the Fleet only for if there be five times as much raised and it runs in other Channels the Seamen may be as Miserable and as Ruined still as before I bless God Since I did write great part of this that God hath put it into the Hearts of the Honourable House of Commons to enquire into the state of the Sea Affairs to see what is due and what hath been paid