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A77397 Anabaptism, the true fountaine of Independency, Brownisme, [double brace] Antinomy, Familisme, and the most of the other errours, which for the time doe trouble the Church of England, unsealed. Also the questions of pædobaptisme and dipping handled from Scripture. In a second part of the Disswasive from the errors of the time. / By Robert Baillie minister at Glasgow. Baillie, Robert, 1599-1662.; Baillie, Robert, 1599-1662. Dissuasive from the errours of the time. 1647 (1647) Wing B452A; Thomason E369_9; ESTC R38567 187,930 235

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declared his information thereof by God ten days before but the matter concerning his own person he had hitherto been silent yet all now being made publick by the mouth of another Prophet The splendour of Becolds Court he did submit himself to the will of God No minute of time was delayed the twelve Princes were cashiered the Catholick Monarch did choose his Chancellor Treasurer Secretary and other Officers of State and Court a fair high throne was set up in the Market-place and covered all over with cloth of gold Becold made for himself being a Taylor by his Trade very royall suits of most gorgeous apparell of the Priests vestments which he had robbed in the Cathedrall a stately Crown Scepter and Sword were prepared for him his Courtiers were all put in most sumptuous raiment no greater magnificence was to be seen at any Princes Court in the world QQ Thus Becold attained the top of his ambition and lust but the great skill was how to keep what was gotten for this end twenty eight Apostles were sent abroad to preach over the world obedience to the King of Munster the new Jerusalem but here was the misluck all of them but one who returned with the tidings were killed in the places where first they offered to preach His barbarous cruelty and hypocrisie In the mean time the Town begun to be pinched with famine one of the Kings Wives being delated for a word of compassion upon the starving multitude was brought forth to the Market-place and by Becolds own hand had her head struck off RR All the rest of his wives did sing a Psalm to God for this so excellent an act of Justice the King himself led all the fourteen in a dance through the streets of the Town it were long to recite all the acts of their villanous hypocrisie at last the patience of God broke out upon them One of the Kings Secretaries undertook to bring into the Town a supply of men and victuals when he was gone His unhappy end his way was straight to the Enemy he guided his Treason so cunningly that on a certain night he brought a party within the Town many were put to the edge of the sword the King and the principall mis-leaders of the people were taken alive the King was brought to acknowledge the most of his Errors SS he offered upon condition of his life to make all the Anabaptists in Holland Freezland and England to be quiet and give over their way but these vain promises were not trusted and so after some cruell torture he and Knipperdolling were killed and hung up in a cage of Iron upon the highest pinacle of the Cathedrall Steeple TT That same very year 1535. Amsterdam in hazard to be a second Munster the Anabaptists had a mighty design upon Amsterdam and very narrowly did misse of their intention to surprise that City to be a seat of as glorious a Kingdom as had been at Munster but God assisted the Citizens to prevent such a mischief albeit not without great losse for some hundreds were killed on both sides in these bloody uproars VV A woman Messias All this did not teach the Anabaptists wisdom still they did expect a new Jerusalem and an earthly Kingdom their Prophets filled the fancies of their people with this notion more then any other One of their women at Apezell in Suitzerland gave her self out for the Queen of the world and Messias for all women sending out her twelve she-Apostles for their conversion to her way XX I read also after the death of Becold of a second King in Vtrick who was no lesse infamous for crimes then his predecessors by open robberies he became rich with his own hands he kil'd his poor wife that he might marry her daughter YY Division and schismes were the Anabaptists ruine However the grievous absurdities of the Anabaptists both in their doctrine and practice as also the evident judgements which God man did pour upon them the very great industry which all the great and heroick Divines of that happy time of Reformation did use to reclaim them much retarded their progresse yet it is marvellous to consider their incredible increase in many parts of Germany and elswhere till God of his mercy did divide them among themselves and confound their Languages their divisions and subdivisions was that which most of all did weaken them and stop their course The difference betwixt the Monasterians and Battenburgicks After the taking of Munster one John Battenburg a bastard of a good Family born at Leyden made himself head of a strong party and pretended a Divine mission to propagate that earthly Kingdom ZZ which by the fatall calamity of his Townsman Becold and his friends at Munster had been a little interrupted betwixt the followers of this Battenburg and the remainder of the Monasterian Anabaptists arose the first discord Their sufferings and disappointments made them more sober and wary then the zeal of Battenburg could approve of for he professed that since the Gospel preached by Becold had been rejected by the world the time of mercy was now expired and nothing but wrath remained So that his commission from God was to kill all the world only those who did yeeld to his way and were rebaptized he might admit to be slaves as Israel did the Gibeonites AAA Upon those grounds his followers where ever they durst be bold did kill all whom they met with in the fields did rob and steal what ever came to their hand in Country villages broke in upon sleeping people pulled sundry out of their beds drowned them in the first waters or hanged them upon the first trees BBB They of Munster did not approve of all these practises therefore they were condemned as coldrife lukewarm hinderers of the Kingdom of Christ CCC This discord lasted for divers years till the Monasterians expired and the Battenburgicks were also rooted out as Robbers and murderers by the sword of the Magistrate The second division was greater one Melchior Hophman a Skinner or Glover in Suabland before the Tragedy of Munster The sect of the Hophmanists was a prime Leader of the Anabaptists In Strasburg about the year 1529 he seduced many he leaned much upon Enthusiasms and dreams DDD he fancied that Strasburg was appointed of God to be the new Jerusalem that himself and some others were quickly to get from heaven an extraordinary calling to an Apostleship EEE that so from that Town they might preach the Gospel to all the world which they were assured would in a short time be subdued to Christ by the power of the Spirit in their Ministery without any outward force FFF The violent tumults of Munster Hophman did not approve these were the inventions of his Scholar Mathie of Harleim which he did always mislike GGG albeit whilst that Doctrine of his scholar did prosper in Munster he durst not much contradict it but so soon as
New Testament p. 34 They deny angels and devils and souls They deny heaven and hell and eternall life They cast away all the Ordinances of God p. 35 David George to them was spirituall Christ much more excellent then Christ crucified Many people were ready to seal with their bloud all these abominations The monster David George did live and die in plenty and peace The best of the Anabaptists have very grosse errors The Mennonists deny originall sinne p. 36 In the points of election redemption grace free-will perseverance justification perfection they are grosser then the Arminians or Iesuites They are yet more absurd They deny the omnipresence of God They deny the Trinity And the truth of Christs humanity p. 37 They refuse all consequences from Scripture They refuse reasoning from the Old Testament The covenant with Abraham they make carnall They exclude all infants from the covenant of grace CAP. III. The modern tenets of the Anabaptists in England THe spirit of Anabaptisme clearly devillish p. 47 The fair profession of many English Anabaptists not to bee trusted What errours may be charged upon all what onely upon some of them p. 48 The confession of the seven Churches is a very imperfect and ambiguous declaration of their judgement Let no errour be charged upon any man which he truly disclaims A brief sum of all the Anabaptists errors Every Anabaptist is at least a rigid Separatist p. 49 Though the Independents offer to collude with the Anabaptists yet they separate from the Independents no lesse then from the Brownists as antichristian p. 50 They avow all their members to be holy and elect and some of them are for their perfection p. 51 After they have separate from all other Churches they run next away from their own selves They charge one another with Antichristianisme They are Independents They put all Church power in the hand of the people They give the power of preaching and celebrating the Sacraments to any of their gifted members out of all office p. 52 Even unto women They must not preach in a Steeple-house p. 53 All Tithes and all set Stipends are unlawfull their Preachers must work with theit own hands and may not goe in blacke cloathes They celebrate the Lords Supper in any common Innes after another feast All the new light of the Independents and Brownists is borrowed from the Anabaptists The anointing of the sick with oyle the rejecting of the Lords Prayer of all set Psalms of Vniversities and humane learning are the Anabaptists inventions The Independent Apologists are for liberty to most of the Sects 54 And some of their prime friends are for a generall liberty to all 55 The Anabaptists deny all power to Magistrates in any thing which concerns Religion Turkisme Popery Atheisme the greatest blasphemies they would not have punished with so much as a discountenance They presse a liberty for preaching and propagating openly all errours imaginable Yet they grant that errour is a soul-murder and a greater crime then the destruction of a King of a Parliament of a whole Nation p. 56 They hate the Covenant They are injurious to the Scots p. 57 All punishing of errour with them is persecution They presse liberty of conscience much out of policy p. 58 The granting of all this liberty will not assure the Magistrates of the Sectaries civill obedience p. 59 The tenets and practise of the Sectaries destroy Magistracy They professe their design to overturn from the ground the government of our State as now it stands Kings and Lords are no more tolerable Neither is the House of Lords any longer to be endured p. 60 The poorest begger in the land has a share of the Soveraignty above the King and Parliament All former Laws and Acts of Parliament must be abolished p. 61 The will of the multitude must stand for the Soveraign Law hereafter p. 62 The three fundamentall Laws of our new Vtopian Republick p. 63 According to reason and experience the present distemper of the Sectaries is posting on fast to a Dictatorship and absolute Tyranny in the hand of one The State in danger by the Sectaries principles p. 64 The greatest purchase which the overturners of States usually make is a late repentance p. 65 CAP. IV. Their Antipaedobaptisme Arminianisme Arrianisme Familisme and other wicked errours ALL Anabaptists are for Antipaedobaptisme They avow the nullity of our Baptisme p. 89 They presse on us a re-baptization They exclude all infants from the covenant of grace and make Circumcision a seal onely of carnall promises Many of them deny originall sin and assert all the articles of Arminius p. 90 They separate from all who renounce not Paedobaptisme Yet they admit into their Churches many much worse then these from whom they separate p. 91 Sprinkling to them nullifies Baptisme M. Tombes new way He is a rigid Antipaedobaptist yet not against sprinkling He spoils all infants of all interest in the covenant of grace p. 92 He is a friend to the worst Anabaptists and injurious to all who oppose them He makes Baptisme a rite needlesse either to young or old He admits of a frequent re-baptization He admits unbaptized persons to the Lords Table He is a grosse Erastian The most of the Anabaptists are Arminians p. 93 The second Edition of their confession is not so free of Arminianism as the first The chief Churches of the Anabaptists are grosse Arminians p. 94 Many of them are Antinomians laying aside all care of morall duties Making all grief for sin unlawfull p. 95 Denying Christs satisfaction and reconciliation of God to men The best of them are inclineable to Libertinisme The Antinomian controversies are not as the prime Independents doe make them onely about words and methods of preaching p. 96 Many of the Anabaptists are become Seekers denying all Churches all Officers all Ordinances Many of the Anabaptists are become Antitrinitarians p. 97 Richardson one of their prime leaders a blasphemer of the Trinity p. 98 Divers of them are abominable bl sphemers of Christs Person Others of them are become perfect Atheists They evert and reject the whole Scripture p. 99 Many of them are turned Familists denying the immortality of the soul Denying Heaven and Hell Angels and Devils Some of them make the world eternall others all creatures to perish p. 100 Some deny all resurrection others make the beasts rise to glory They teach abominable obscenities They follow David George in his greatest absurdities The divine light of their new Prophet The fall of Adam and the clearest Scriptures are but allegories The whole Divinity suffered in the Person of Christs humanity p. 101 The great light which this Prophet brings from heaven is that all the Devils and all the Reprobates shall be saved by his Gospel Randall his grosse Familisme p. 102 No resurrection no heaven no hell after this life The Saints in this life become as perfect as God The clearest Scriptures are false in a literall sense That God is
all others for it has been seen when ever the sword of power has fallen into their hands that they have been as severe and cruell oppressors of all who did not absolutely without exception submit to their Laws as any Tyrants who yet have appeared upon the earth SSS But presupponing that their old principles b● now altered and their present Tenets about liberty of conscience be most conscientious and sincere which they upon no occasion will any more change the Magistrate had need to know whether the granting of all this liberty whereof we have been speaking willfully content them When the State hath denuded it self of the care and cognisance of the matters of the soul The granting of all this liberty will not assure the Magistrate of the Sectaries civill obedience and put these absolutely in the power of every mans own free will may it then expect obedience to its other Laws in things civill and temporall The Confessionists in this seem to be clear and freely to grant to the Magistrate in things civill all due obedience but that this is the generall sense of all the rest of that sect M. Marshall permits us not to believe for he tels us that the most of the Anabaptists are in their conscience against all Magistracy as well in matters civill as Ecclesiastick TTT In the time of their weaknesse for fear of trouble they can be silent and g●ve obedience to their commands without any question but when the days of their power shall come when the righteous shall inherit the Land which they long have been looking for and believes to be now at the doors the Magistrate must then lay down his rule give up his Government and be content to be ruled by the two-edged sword of their Saints which Germany did feel to be very sharp and ready to shed much innocent bloud The Tenets practise of the Sectaries destroy Magistracy The troublers of New England did not only plead for a freedom and immunity from all civill Laws the reasons whereof did not convince their consciences both of their lawfulnesse and expediency TTT 2 but were also ready if they had not been prevented by force of Arms in a very unjust and seditious manner to have risen against the State and to have cut the throats of their opposites VVV when after their banishment they were set down by themselves they could not indure Magistracy but put it down as a condition unlawfull for a Christian to undergo XXX But that which concerns this State now most to take heed of They professe their design to overturn from the ground the government of our State as now it stands is that growing Tenet of all the Sects among us wherein divers Anabaptists are with the first a declared aversenesse from all obedience to the present Magistrates and Laws and frequent motions to have the very fundamentals of the State government new moulded to their own fancies they do no more dissemble their detestation of Monarchy the King and all of his blood must be destroyed King Charles for his mis-government must lose his life this execution does not satisfie Justice YYY But for no time to come either the name or the King of royalty must be more heard of in England ZZZ Kings Lords are no more tolerable When thus far we have gratified the new moulders of our State will they then be content to be under the government of a Parliament without a King they assure us this is far from their purpose The Parliament as it stands is as rotten a body as the King an head at the first bout they pull down one of the two Houses and smother all the Lords the Peers are a pestiferous excrement of Kings and with them they must go packing AAAA The ground of all their dignity is wickednesse BBBB Their personall carriage has been corrupt CCCC The best of them are false Traytors DDDD Neither is the House of Commons any longer to be endured When that Paganish invention EEEE of King and Lords is abolished can we have assurance to get the House of Commons for our Governors if so our case were somewhat safe and comfortable but the new framers of our State tell us that the House of Commons when they are deprived of the society of their very ancient companions their old fellow Governours the King and Lords and themselves alone are become the whole and full Parliament of England they must not then expect to be rulers for they also have exceedingly abused their trust they have many ways abused the people Upon divers of their most eminent Members they cry out as Traytors FFFF upon the most as covetous self-seeking men GGGG upon all the Lawyers as pestiferous Members no lesse then the Bishops were in the House of Lords GGGG 2 upon many other of the Members as a faction adhering to the Lords in all their wicked designs GGGG 3 upon the whole House as the authors of greater evil to the people then either King or Lords or Bishops or any former oppressors did ever bring upon England HHHH They insist especially upon one of their ordinary Acts of insupportable Tyranny they have for many ages bound taxes by Law upon the back of the free-born people of England this is no longer to be endured IIII what the people thinks meet voluntarily to offer it may be received but to lay a necessity upon any to give for any use private or publick any more of his goods then himself the just owner is willing is an oppression too long connived at KKKK Of this great grievance the House of Commons has been the great instrument wherefore they also must be taught to know their place and to remember their condition that they hereafter may be content to be humble servants to their Soveraign Lords and Masters the free-born people of England LLLL to them they must be accountable and by them punishable toties quoties these their new Masters find them delinquents MMMM Our Masters are not here speaking what in some extraordinary cases The poorest begger in the Land has a share of the Soveraignty above the King and Parliament an intolerably oppressed people by the Laws of an unavoidable necessity are forced to do before they perish but of that which they affirm ought to be the ordinary perpetuall just and necessary case of England Kings and Lords must for ever be abolished a Parliament of Commons must for ever sit at the feet of their supream and absolute Lords the multitude of the people this present House of Commons must be dissolved NNNN and another presently put in its place which may sit no longer then one year OOOO A Trienniall Parliament is worth nothing PPPP A perpetuall Parliament a Parliament of longer continuance then one year is unsupportable QQQQ As in the Church all and every one of the Officers are to be under the jurisdiction and censure of the whole and every one of the members