Selected quad for the lemma: act_n

Word A Word B Word C Word D Occurrence Frequency Band MI MI Band Prominent
act_n faith_n grace_n justification_n 4,599 5 9.2931 5 true
View all documents for the selected quad

Text snippets containing the quad

ID Title Author Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication) STC Words Pages
A01007 A paire of spectacles for Sir Humfrey Linde to see his way withall. Or An answeare to his booke called, Via tuta, a safe way wherein the booke is shewed to be a labyrinthe of error and the author a blind guide. By I.R. Floyd, John, 1572-1649.; Jenison, Robert, 1584?-1652, attributed name. 1631 (1631) STC 11112; ESTC S102373 294,594 598

There are 3 snippets containing the selected quad. | View original text

bellarmine_n we_o can_v be_v certain_a whether_o we_o fulfil_v or_o not_o and_o consequent_o we_o can_v be_v certain_a of_o our_o grace_n and_o justice_n and_o he_o say_v these_o place_n be_v so_o manifest_a that_o our_o adversary_n can_v deny_v something_o to_o be_v requisite_a on_o our_o part_n for_o though_o say_v he_o they_o deny_v the_o remission_n of_o sin_n to_o depend_v upon_o the_o condition_n of_o work_n or_o our_o penance_n faith_n or_o other_o act_n to_o be_v the_o cause_n or_o merit_n of_o justification_n yet_o they_o grant_v they_o to_o be_v requisite_a and_o that_o without_o they_o a_o man_n can_v be_v justify_v this_o be_v bellarmine_n discourse_n wherein_o he_o do_v neither_o confess_v any_o good_a of_o your_o haeretique_n nor_o any_o way_n allow_v or_o approve_v your_o say_n as_o you_o will_v make_v one_o think_v but_o bring_v your_o own_o confession_n against_o you_o and_o even_o by_o so_o much_o as_o you_o confess_v though_o that_o be_v far_o from_o enough_o overthrow_v another_o error_n of_o you_o to_o wit_n your_o vain_a confidence_n and_o certainty_n of_o your_o justification_n now_o then_o sir_n humphrey_n be_v not_o this_o honest_a deal_n in_o you_o to_o take_v a_o word_n speak_v by_o bellarmine_n for_o one_o purpose_n and_o to_o transfer_v it_o to_o another_o far_o different_a and_o again_o in_o favour_n of_o yourself_o to_o allege_v those_o word_n out_o of_o bellarmine_n as_o his_o confession_n which_o he_o allege_v only_o for_o you_o and_o to_o take_v it_o so_o as_o if_o his_o allegation_n be_v a_o approbation_n or_o allowance_n of_o they_o whereas_o he_o bring_v they_o but_o in_o the_o nature_n of_o a_o objection_n against_o yourselves_o and_o there_o withal_o plain_o declare_v the_o difference_n between_o your_o error_n and_o our_o faith_n that_o you_o will_v not_o have_v faith_n or_o work_v to_o be_v any_o cause_n or_o merit_n of_o justification_n nor_o justification_n to_o depend_v upon_o work_n as_o upon_o a_o condition_n whereas_o we_o teach_v all_o the_o contrary_a which_o though_o bellarmine_n do_v not_o stand_v to_o prove_v there_o because_o that_o be_v not_o a_o place_n for_o it_o yet_o he_o plain_o show_v that_o to_o be_v his_o belief_n 3._o the_o second_o place_n of_o bellarmine_n you_o say_v be_v touch_v justification_n by_o faith_n only_o wherein_o you_o tell_v we_o he_o conclude_v with_o the_o reform_a church_n say_v that_o either_o a_o man_n have_v true_a merit_n or_o he_o have_v not_o if_o he_o have_v not_o he_o be_v dangerous_o deceive_v if_o he_o have_v true_a merit_n he_o lose_v nothing_o by_o not_o respect_v they_o but_o put_v his_o trust_n in_o god_n only_o but_o in_o this_o again_o as_o before_o and_o every_o where_o else_o you_o still_o line_v it_o egregious_o for_o here_o you_o make_v as_o if_o bellarmine_n do_v allow_v of_o your_o justification_n by_o faith_n only_o whereas_o he_o confute_v the_o same_o large_o and_o learned_o for_o 13._o 1._o lib._n 1._o de_fw-fr iustif_a cap._n 1._o whole_a chapter_n together_o begin_v his_o disputation_n thus_o hominem_fw-la non_fw-la sola_fw-la fide_fw-la iustificari_fw-la 5._o argumentis_fw-la principalibus_fw-la demonstrare_fw-la conabimur_fw-la we_o will_v endeavour_v by_o 5._o principal_a argument_n to_o demonstrate_v that_o a_o man_n be_v not_o justify_v by_o faith_n only_o how_o then_o do_v he_o conclude_v with_o your_o reform_a church_n he_o conclude_v against_o they_o &_o you_o tell_v we_o he_o conclude_v with_o they_o and_o this_o place_n which_o you_o bring_v out_o of_o he_o be_v above_o 50._o leaf_n from_o that_o where_o he_o begin_v to_o treat_v of_o justification_n by_o faith_n and_o be_v a_o argument_n for_o a_o far_o different_a matter_n to_o wit_n that_o it_o be_v most_o safe_a for_o a_o man_n though_o he_o may_v put_v some_o trust_n in_o his_o own_o good_a work_n yet_o in_o regard_n of_o the_o uncertainty_n he_o have_v of_o his_o own_o justice_n and_o danger_n of_o vain_a glory_n not_o to_o put_v any_o trust_n in_o they_o but_o all_o in_o god_n this_o late_a part_n whereof_o there_o be_v no_o controversy_n between_o we_o and_o protestant_n bellarmine_n prove_v by_o the_o reason_n here_o bring_v because_o if_o he_o have_v not_o true_a merit_n he_o deceive_v himself_o but_o if_o he_o have_v and_o yet_o trust_v not_o in_o they_o he_o lose_v nothing_o by_o not_o trust_v in_o they_o and_o what_o be_v all_o this_o good_a sir_n humphrey_n to_o your_o justification_n by_o faith_n only_o and_o consequent_o all_o that_o you_o have_v say_v out_o of_o bellarmine_n in_o this_o section_n to_o the_o antiquity_n and_o safety_n of_o your_o doctrine_n or_o the_o contrary_a of_o we_o not_o one_o word_n to_o any_o such_o purpose_n on_o either_o side_n and_o therefore_o all_o be_v but_o vain_a brag_n wherewith_o you_o conclude_v hereupon_o that_o our_o best_a learned_a confess_v that_o many_o principal_a point_n of_o their_o own_o religion_n yea_o many_o article_n of_o faith_n be_v neither_o ancient_a safe_a nor_o catholic_a wherein_o you_o speak_v ignorant_o in_o distinguish_v principal_a point_n of_o religion_n from_o article_n of_o faith_n for_o though_o every_o proposition_n which_o be_v de_fw-fr fide_fw-la be_v not_o a_o article_n of_o faith_n yet_o every_o principal_a point_n be_v and_o therefore_o some_o give_v that_o for_o the_o reason_n why_o we_o call_v a_o point_n a_o article_n to_o wit_n because_o it_o be_v a_o principal_a point_n but_o this_o be_v but_o to_o show_v that_o you_o can_v speak_v two_o word_n sound_o without_o falter_v and_o yet_o you_o must_v be_v show_v man_n the_o way_n forsooth_o 4._o have_v then_o say_v all_o you_o can_v out_o of_o bellarmine_n you_o tell_v we_o it_o be_v not_o the_o name_n of_o catholic_n which_o we_o assume_v that_o make_v good_a the_o catholic_a doctrine_n neither_o the_o opinion_n of_o learning_n or_o multitude_n of_o our_o side_n that_o must_v outface_v the_o truth_n for_o say_v your_o our_o saviour_n do_v special_o note_v the_o member_n of_o his_o body_n by_o the_o name_n of_o a_o little_a flock_n as_o if_o the_o paucity_n of_o true_a believer_n be_v the_o special_a character_n of_o the_o true_a church_n and_o for_o our_o learned_a you_o bring_v a_o say_n of_o s._n paul_n to_o the_o corinthian_n 1.26_o 1._o cor._n 1.26_o not_o many_o wise_a according_a to_o the_o flesh_n not_o many_o mighty_a 25._o mat._n 11_o 25._o not_o many_o noble_a and_o another_o out_o of_o s._n matthew_n i_o thank_v thou_o father_n because_o thou_o have_v hide_v these_o thing_n from_o the_o wise_a and_o prudent_a and_o have_v reveal_v they_o to_o babe_n and_o then_o you_o will_v we_o to_o reflect_v upon_o our_o own_o church_n and_o we_o shall_v find_v the_o mark_n of_o a_o false_a church_n foretell_v that_o it_o shall_v be_v after_o the_o work_n of_o satan_n with_o all_o power_n and_o sign_n and_o lie_v wonder_n and_o after_o a_o little_a of_o this_o rave_a talk_n you_o conclude_v with_o s._n augustine_n that_o miracle_n be_v not_o now_o to_o be_v expect_v thus_o you_o troll_v it_o out_o sir_n humphrey_n where_o first_o to_o begin_v with_o i_o may_v ask_v what_o all_o this_o be_v to_o that_o which_o the_o title_n of_o your_o section_n promise_v to_o wit_n of_o the_o truth_n of_o your_o doctrine_n out_o of_o bellarmine_n but_o that_o it_o seem_v prove_v but_o dry_a matter_n you_o take_v yourself_o the_o freedom_n without_o regard_n to_o the_o consequence_n of_o your_o discourse_n to_o talk_v of_o the_o church_n of_o miracle_n strong_a delusion_n and_o other_o such_o stuff_n good_a for_o nothing_o but_o to_o fill_v paper_n but_o this_o very_a discourse_n for_o the_o matter_n itself_o show_v your_o wit_n for_o you_o can_v have_v say_v nothing_o more_o to_o the_o advantage_n of_o our_o cause_n nor_o more_o to_o the_o disadvantage_n of_o your_o own_o for_o you_o show_v we_o to_o be_v the_o true_a church_n your_o own_o a_o false_a one_o which_o to_o be_v so_o i_o shall_v show_v not_o in_o my_o own_o word_n but_o in_o s._n augustine_n who_o give_v account_n what_o it_o be_v that_o keep_v he_o in_o the_o bosom_n of_o the_o church_n reckon_v these_o very_a thing_n which_o you_o make_v so_o little_a account_n of_o as_o miracle_n multitude_n of_o people_n and_o the_o very_a name_n of_o catholic_a and_o i_o may_v say_v also_o learning_n 4._o aug._n count_v ep_v fundam_fw-la cap._n 4._o for_o answer_v that_o epistle_n of_o the_o manichee_n call_v epistola_fw-la fundamenti_fw-la he_o begin_v his_o discourse_n thus_o in_o catholica_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la ut_fw-la omittam_fw-la sincerissimam_fw-la sapientiam_fw-la etc._n etc._n in_o the_o catholic_a church_n to_o say_v nothing_o of_o the_o most_o sincere_a wisdom_n wherein_o by_o mention_v this_o wisdom_n in_o such_o manner_n every_o man_n see_v that_o to_o he_o it_o be_v a_o motive_n though_o he_o do_v not_o so_o much_o urge_v
say_v thus_o it_o be_v not_o incredible_a that_o some_o such_o thing_n shall_v be_v after_o this_o life_n but_o whether_o it_o be_v so_o or_o no_o it_o may_v be_v a_o question_n you_o say_v also_o for_o the_o place_n where_o it_o be_v or_o how_o long_a soul_n continue_v there_o whither_o there_o be_v fire_n or_o water_n or_o whither_o material_a fire_n or_o no_o there_o be_v nothing_o certain_a among_o we_o you_o cite_v sir_n thomas_n more_o bishop_n fisher_n and_o bellarmine_n who_o word_n i_o pass_v over_o as_o needless_a and_o than_o you_o tell_v we_o that_o s._n greg._n who_o give_v the_o first_o credo_fw-la to_o purgatory_n say_v some_o be_v purge_v by_o fire_n some_o by_o hot_a bath_n and_o upon_o certain_a apparition_n and_o revelation_n relate_v by_o he_o and_o s._n bede_n you_o say_v it_o be_v come_v to_o be_v a_o article_n of_o faith_n but_o you_o conclude_v with_o a_o place_n of_o s._n aug._n quite_o against_o purgatory_n 1._o lib._n de_fw-fr va●it_fw-la saecul_fw-la ●ap_n 1._o where_o he_o say_v that_o when_o the_o soul_n be_v separate_v from_o the_o body_n present_o it_o be_v either_o place_v in_o paradise_n for_o its_o good_a work_n or_o cast_v into_o hell_n for_o its_o sin_n i_o answer_v that_o you_o still_o go_v abuse_v s._n aug._n who_o be_v so_o plain_a for_o purgatory_n that_o no_o catholic_a now_o live_v can_v be_v more_o plain_a and_o in_o this_o very_a book_n of_o his_o enchiridion_n and_o place_n by_o you_o cite_v he_o be_v so_o plain_a that_o one_o mr._n anthony_n alcocke_n a_o zealous_a disciple_n as_o it_o seem_v translate_n it_o into_o english_a be_v fain_o to_o write_v certain_a animadversion_n upon_o the_o 110._o chapter_n wherein_o he_o confess_v s._n aug._n his_o opinion_n here_o for_o purgatory_n but_o he_o labour_v to_o obscure_v his_o meaning_n or_o reconcile_v he_o by_o fetch_v other_o place_n as_o wise_o and_o well_o to_o the_o purpose_n as_o you_o be_v wont_a to_o do_v but_o to_o be_v brief_a with_o you_o that_o which_o s._n aug._n say_v may_v be_v a_o question_n be_v not_o of_o purgatory_n or_o the_o be_v of_o purgatory_n as_o you_o say_v most_o line_v like_o but_o of_o the_o manner_n of_o pain_n as_o whether_o even_o as_o man_n be_v here_o trouble_v in_o this_o world_n more_o or_o less_o with_o the_o loss_n of_o worldly_a thing_n as_o they_o more_o or_o less_o love_v they_o which_o trouble_n or_o tribulation_n s._n aug._n explicate_v to_o be_v that_o fire_n whereof_o s._n paul_n speak_v say_v that_o those_o that_o build_v hay_n straw_n stubble_n &c._n &c._n shall_v be_v save_v as_o it_o be_v by_o fire_n whether_o i_o say_v man_n be_v so_o punish_v in_o purgatory_n this_o s._n aug._n do_v not_o determine_v but_o whether_o there_o be_v a_o purgatory_n or_o no_o 110._o enchir._n cap._n 110._o let_v any_o man_n judge_v since_o he_o say_v there_o neque_fw-la negandum_fw-la est_fw-la defunctorum_fw-la animas_fw-la etc._n etc._n neither_o be_v it_o to_o be_v deny_v that_o the_o soul_n of_o the_o dead_a be_v relieve_v by_o the_o piety_n of_o their_o friend_n live_v when_o the_o sacrifice_n of_o our_o mediator_n be_v offer_v for_o they_o or_o alm_n give_v in_o the_o church_n dead_a note_v here_o 3._o or_o 4._o controversy_n decide_v in_o this_o one_o sentence_n of_o s._n aug._n satisfaction_n mass_n purgatory_n prayer_n for_o the_o dead_a and_o there_o he_o also_o distinguish_v 3._o sort_n of_o dead_a people_n some_o in_o heaven_n that_o need_v no_o such_o help_n other_o in_o hell_n that_o can_v be_v help_v by_o they_o a_o three_o of_o those_o that_o be_v not_o so_o well_o as_o not_o to_o need_v they_o nor_o so_o ill_a but_o that_o they_o may_v be_v the_o better_a for_o these_o help_n this_o s._n aug._n speak_v certain_o and_o more_o we_o do_v not_o say_v certain_o of_o purgatory_n the_o particular_n of_o place_n manner_n of_o punishment_n durance_n etc._n etc._n be_v thing_n disputable_a among_o divine_n which_o you_o have_v nothing_o to_o do_v with_o and_o if_o for_o such_o uncertainty_n you_o will_v reject_v the_o belief_n of_o purgatory_n by_o the_o same_o reason_n you_o may_v deny_v that_o there_o be_v a_o hell_n as_o it_o be_v like_o you_o do_v in_o your_o hart_n for_o else_o you_o can_v not_o say_v and_o write_v as_o you_o do_v now_o for_o s._n greg._n who_o you_o say_v give_v the_o first_o credo_fw-la to_o purgatory_n that_o be_v answer_v enough_o which_o i_o allege_v last_o out_o of_o s._n aug._n by_o which_o it_o appear_v he_o give_v it_o a_o undoubted_a credo_fw-la long_o before_o for_o he_o die_v near_o 200._o year_n before_o s._n greg._n but_o for_o sound_v the_o belief_n thereof_o upon_o apparition_n of_o dead_a man_n &_o revelation_n of_o this_o saint_n &_o s._n bede_n relation_n it_o be_v most_o false_a by_o the_o same_o argument_n still_o for_o how_o can_v the_o faith_n of_o s._n aug._n his_o time_n be_v ground_v upon_o the_o revelation_n of_o man_n lyve_v two_o or_o three_o hundred_o year_n after_o or_o indeed_o upon_o any_o revelation_n of_o any_o man_n faith_n be_v ground_v upon_o the_o revelation_n of_o god_n alone_o deliver_v unto_o we_o by_o his_o church_n therefore_o to_o the_o last_o place_n of_o s._n aug._n i_o say_v it_o be_v understand_v that_o present_o as_o soon_o as_o the_o soul_n depart_v it_o receive_v the_o doom_n either_o of_o paradise_n or_o hell_n that_o be_v whether_o it_o be_v to_o go_v final_o and_o that_o be_v both_o true_a and_o his_o meaning_n as_o appear_v by_o what_o he_o say_v of_o the_o same_o matter_n else_o where_o thus_o tempus_fw-la quod_fw-la inter_fw-la hominis_fw-la mortem_fw-la etc._n etc._n the_o time_n between_o the_o death_n of_o a_o man_n and_o the_o general_a resurrection_n contain_v the_o soul_n in_o hide_a receptacle_n as_o each_o be_v worthy_a either_o of_o ease_n or_o pain_n according_a as_o it_o deserve_v while_o it_o live_v for_o it_o be_v not_o to_o be_v deny_v that_o the_o soul_n of_o the_o dead_a be_v help_v by_o the_o piety_n of_o their_o live_a friend_n this_o place_n be_v so_o plain_a as_o not_o only_o not_o to_o admit_v any_o tergiversation_n but_o alsoe_o to_o explain_v any_o other_o that_o may_v seem_v obscure_a 12._o a_o three_o point_n of_o uncertain_a doctrine_n as_o you_o object_n be_v indulgence_n for_o which_o you_o allege_v durand_n and_o gerson_n for_o durand_n look_v in_o the_o §_o of_o indulgence_n &_o in_o bellarmine_n 2._o lib._n 1._o de_fw-fr indulg_n cap._n 2._o and_o there_o you_o shall_v find_v he_o not_o to_o doubt_v of_o indulgence_n but_o of_o that_o which_o we_o call_v thesaurus_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la for_o as_o much_o as_o it_o consist_v of_o the_o satisfaction_n of_o the_o saint_n and_o as_o for_o gerson_n who_o say_v that_o whether_o the_o power_n of_o the_o key_n extend_v only_o to_o such_o as_o be_v on_o earth_n or_o also_o to_o those_o in_o purgatory_n the_o opinion_n of_o man_n be_v contrary_a and_o uncertain_a it_o be_v most_o frivolous_a to_o object_v he_o for_o what_o do_v this_o pertain_v to_o faith_n or_o do_v it_o pertain_v only_o to_o indulgence_n be_v not_o the_o question_n common_a to_o other_o act_n of_o jurisdiction_n understand_v by_o the_o power_n of_o the_o key_n this_o be_v your_o argument_n divine_n dispute_v whether_o the_o pope_n power_n extend_v to_o the_o soul_n in_o purgatory_n ergo_fw-la the_o doctrine_n of_o indulgence_n be_v uncertain_a this_o may_v be_v answer_n enough_o but_o to_o display_v you_o a_o little_a more_o i_o will_v say_v a_o word_n or_o two_o more_o of_o gerson_n and_o first_o even_o in_o this_o point_n of_o extend_v the_o pope_n power_n over_o those_o that_o be_v in_o purgatory_n even_o to_o the_o remission_n of_o pain_n absolution_n from_o venial_a sin_n or_o excommunication_n before_o incur_v he_o be_v so_o favourable_a in_o this_o place_n by_o you_o cite_v as_o to_o grant_v the_o opinion_n on_o both_o side_n probable_a which_o be_v more_o they_o other_o divine_n grant_v and_o be_v more_o than_o need_v for_o apply_v indulgence_n to_o the_o dead_a so_o as_o in_o grant_v that_o probable_a he_o make_v this_o certain_a and_o this_o for_o indulgence_n in_o as_o much_o as_o they_o pertain_v to_o the_o dead_a now_o for_o the_o live_n or_o power_n of_o indulgence_n in_o general_a thus_o he_o say_v 12_o ●rs_n 2._o p._n the_o ●●ulg_n con_fw-mi ●_o 11._o &_o 12_o indulgentiarum_fw-la concessio_fw-la non_fw-la est_fw-la parui_fw-la pendenda_fw-la seu_fw-la contemnenda_fw-la sed_fw-la amplectenda_fw-la in_o fide_fw-la spe_fw-la &_o charitate_fw-la domini_fw-la nostri_fw-la jesv_n christi_fw-la qui_fw-la potestatem_fw-la talium_fw-la claurum_fw-la ecclesiasticam_fw-la dedit_fw-la hominibus_fw-la the_o grant_v of_o indulgence_n be_v not_o to_o be_v little_o esteem_v or_o contemn_v but_o to_o be_v embrace_v in_o the_o faith_n hope_n and_o charity_n of_o our_o lord_n jesus_n
christ_n who_o have_v give_v the_o ecclesiastical_a power_n of_o such_o key_n to_o man_n so_o as_o it_o be_v plain_a that_o gerson_n hold_v the_o doctrine_n of_o indulgence_n certain_a no_o less_o than_o durand_n &_o the_o whole_a school_n of_o divine_n &_o even_o the_o catholic_a church_n 13._o the_o four_o point_n of_o uncertainty_n be_v of_o adoration_n of_o image_n to_o which_o you_o say_v we_o be_v uncertain_a what_o worship_n we_o may_v give_v for_o say_v you_o the_o 2._o nicene_n council_n allow_v a_o civil_a kind_n of_o worship_n without_o any_o corporal_a submission_n but_o many_o of_o our_o divine_n allow_v they_o a_o high_a kind_n of_o worship_n that_o be_v the_o very_a same_o which_o be_v give_v to_o their_o sampler_n which_o bellarmine_n you_o say_v be_v against_o and_o say_v it_o be_v not_o fit_a to_o preach_v that_o opinion_n to_o the_o people_n because_o it_o require_v such_o subtle_a distinction_n as_o the_o learned_a can_v well_o conceive_v much_o less_o the_o ignorant_a people_n and_o then_o you_o bring_v a_o place_n of_o valencia_n allow_v idol-worship_n as_o you_o say_v by_o a_o necessary_a consequence_n these_o be_v his_o word_n it_o be_v no_o absurdity_n to_o this_o 〈◊〉_d that_o s._n peter_n do_v intimate_v that_o some_o worship_n of_o image_n be_v right_a or_o lawful_a namely_o of_o holy_a image_n when_o as_o he_o deter_v the_o faithful_a from_o the_o unlawful_a worship_n of_o image_n for_o to_o what_o end_n shall_v he_o determinate_o point_v out_o the_o unlawful_a worship_n of_o image_n if_o he_o have_v think_v altogether_o that_o no_o image-worship_n have_v be_v lawful_a to_o which_o i_o answer_v that_o the_o doctrine_n which_o we_o teach_v of_o faith_n be_v not_o uncertain_a that_o be_v only_o that_o image_n be_v to_o be_v worship_v not_o as_o god_n nor_o as_o place_v any_o confidence_n in_o they_o now_o whether_o they_o be_v to_o be_v worship_v with_o the_o same_o act_n &_o honour_n which_o we_o give_v the_o prototype_n direct_o indirect_o to_o the_o image_n as_o our_o act_n of_o honour_n tend_v direct_o to_o the_o king_n person_n &_o indirect_o to_o his_o purple_a or_o with_o a_o inferior_a kind_n of_o worship_n tend_v direct_o to_o the_o picture_n itself_o but_o yet_o as_o it_o be_v the_o representation_n of_o such_o a_o person_n or_o with_o reference_n to_o the_o person_n represent_v be_v a_o theological_a speculation_n out_o of_o your_o element_n nor_o to_o be_v dispute_v of_o with_o a_o haeretique_n both_o may_v stand_v with_o faith_n as_o many_o thing_n more_o of_o which_o tertull._n say_v they_o may_v salua_fw-la regula_fw-la fidei_fw-la in_o quaestionem_fw-la devenire_fw-la 12._o de_fw-fr praesc_fw-la cap._n 12._o come_v into_o question_n the_o rule_n of_o faith_n be_v safe_a faith_n be_v certain_a not_o to_o be_v touch_v other_o thing_n may_v but_o you_o have_v nothing_o to_o do_v with_o they_o till_o you_o have_v faith_n but_o because_o you_o speak_v of_o the_o 2._o council_n of_o nice_a as_o if_o it_o be_v for_o you_o i_o can_v here_o omit_v to_o set_v down_o what_o it_o say_v of_o you_o and_o your_o doctrine_n for_o your_o comfort_n to_o those_o that_o use_v the_o word_n speak_v in_o scripture_n against_o idol_n against_o venerable_a image_n anathema_n or_o be_v they_o accurse_v to_o those_o that_o do_v not_o salut_v holy_a &_o venerable_a image_n anathema_n to_o those_o that_o call_v holy_a image_n idol_n anathema_n to_o those_o that_o say_v that_o christian_n come_v to_o image_n as_o to_o god_n anathema_n to_o those_o that_o say_v the_o catholic_a church_n have_v at_o some_o time_n receive_v idolatry_n anathema_n these_o be_v all_o the_o counsel_n word_n &_o curse_n of_o all_o which_o you_o can_v but_o confess_v yourself_o guilty_a &_o you_o can_v insinuate_v as_o if_o the_o council_n be_v rather_o for_o you_o then_o we_o will_v a_o man_n think_v it_o possible_a but_o beside_o whereas_o you_o say_v the_o council_n pretend_v nothing_o but_o a_o civil_a kind_n of_o embrace_v or_o kiss_v without_o any_o corporal_a submission_n unto_o the_o image_n i_o will_v know_v of_o you_o what_o it_o mean_v when_o speak_v of_o image_n it_o say_v they_o be_v to_o be_v worship_v so_o far_o ad_fw-la osculum_fw-la &_o ad_fw-la honorariam_fw-la his_fw-la adorationem_fw-la tribuendam_fw-la to_o give_v a_o kiss_n and_o honour_v adoration_n do_v not_o adoration_n include_v corporal_a submission_n and_o special_o honorary_a adoration_n neither_o do_v the_o council_n mean_v only_o a_o civil_a kind_n of_o embrace_v or_o kiss_v as_o you_o call_v it_o but_o a_o religious_a worship_n for_o it_o continual_o add_v some_o one_o or_o more_o of_o these_o epithet_n sancta_fw-la sacra_fw-la veneranda_fw-la or_o venerabilis_fw-la holy_a sacred_a venerable_a to_o the_o word_n imago_fw-la image_n when_o it_o speak_v of_o image_n but_o because_o you_o seem_v not_o to_o think_v corporal_a submission_n to_o be_v sufficient_o employ_v by_o the_o council_n either_o in_o those_o epithet_n or_o in_o the_o word_n colo_fw-la suscipio_fw-la veneror_fw-la &_o adoro_fw-la which_o go_v together_o for_o the_o most_o part_n in_o the_o subscription_n of_o the_o bishop_n in_o the_o council_n though_o among_o man_n it_o will_v be_v count_v a_o poor_a kind_n of_o worship_n or_o respect_v which_o shall_v want_v all_o corporal_a submission_n i_o will_v bring_v you_o most_o plain_a and_o express_v proof_n both_o of_o prostration_n and_o kneel_v by_o 2._o several_a relation_n or_o history_n one_o be_v this_o it_o be_v there_o relate_v how_o when_o the_o relic_n of_o s._n anastasius_n a_o monk_n &_o martyr_n be_v bring_v to_o caesarea_n the_o people_n receive_v they_o with_o great_a devotion_n &_o honour_n only_o one_o great_a lady_n will_v not_o but_o in_o her_o own_o hart_n slight_v they_o whereupon_o the_o saint_n appear_v to_o she_o in_o her_o sleep_n she_o be_v take_v with_o a_o very_a vehement_a pain_n in_o she_o back_o for_o 4._o day_n together_o till_o the_o same_o saint_n appear_v to_o she_o again_o in_o the_o same_o manner_n will_v she_o to_o go_v to_o s._n anastasius_n in_o such_o a_o place_n of_o the_o town_n where_o his_o relic_n &_o picture_n be_v keep_v she_o not_o know_v all_o this_o while_n who_o it_o be_v that_o appear_v unto_o she_o and_o so_o awake_v she_o be_v carry_v thither_o &_o as_o soon_o as_o she_o come_v in_o the_o sight_n of_o the_o picture_n she_o cry_v out_o that_o that_o be_v the_o man_n that_o in_o her_o sleep_n foretell_v she_o the_o misery_n which_o she_o be_v fall_v into_o and_o when_o she_o have_v prostrate_v herself_o upon_o the_o ground_n before_o his_o picture_n and_o weep_v and_o thereby_o appease_v the_o saint_n she_o be_v restore_v to_o her_o former_a health_n the_o other_o story_n be_v of_o s._n mary_n aegyptiaca_n her_o conversion_n &_o the_o occasion_n thereof_o and_o how_o she_o come_v into_o the_o church_n adore_v the_o cross_n &_o picture_n of_o our_o b._n lady_n whereof_o there_o be_v a_o large_a relation_n only_o this_o i_o bring_v for_o my_o purpose_n that_o she_o say_v of_o herself_o that_o upon_o her_o knee_n she_o pray_v before_o the_o picture_n of_o our_o b._n lady_n and_o there_o speak_v unto_o it_o as_o if_o she_o have_v our_o b._n lady_n present_a in_o her_o picture_n which_o her_o miraculous_a conversion_n and_o other_o effect_n which_o follow_v do_v show_v to_o be_v please_v to_o almighty_a god_n these_o 2._o story_n with_o many_o more_o be_v there_o not_o only_o relate_v but_o public_o allow_v and_o approve_v by_o the_o whole_a council_n how_o then_o can_v you_o sir_n humphrey_n say_v that_o the_o council_n pretend_v nothing_o but_o a_o civil_a embrace_n or_o kiss_v without_o any_o corporal_a submission_n to_o image_n what_o great_a submission_n can_v there_o be_v then_o kneel_v and_o prostrate_v one_o self_n upon_o the_o ground_n before_o a_o picture_n and_o speak_v and_o pray_v thereto_o but_o this_o be_v like_o the_o rest_n of_o your_o say_n 14._o now_o for_o valentia_n his_o word_n which_o you_o bring_v as_o if_o he_o do_v allow_v some_o idol-worship_n it_o be_v manifest_a by_o they_o that_o he_o do_v not_o allow_v any_o such_o but_o out_o of_o the_o word_n illicitis_fw-la simulachrorum_fw-la cultibus_fw-la in_o s._n peter_n take_v the_o word_n simulachrum_fw-la in_o a_o good_a sense_n that_o be_v for_o the_o same_o as_o imago_fw-la as_o some_o ancient_a author_n do_v and_o withal_o explicate_v his_o meaning_n in_o the_o use_n thereof_o he_o say_v it_o may_v seem_v to_o be_v gather_v out_o of_o s._n peter_n determine_v the_o word_n simulachrum_fw-la by_o the_o word_n illicitis_fw-la cultibus_fw-la that_o there_o be_v some_o good_a image-worshipp_a which_o argument_n be_v it_o good_a or_o bad_a or_o be_v his_o use_n of_o the_o word_n simulachra_fw-la for_o image_n good_a or_o bad_a it_o be_v all_o one_o for_o the_o matter_n as_o long_o as_o