voluntarily Sir Hugh Cholmley deposed Sir Hugh Cholmley That of those who staid with my Lord Strafford and joyned in the latter Petition they took a Note of above twenty that the Countrey had an opinion of that they were Papists or men affected that way but whether convict or not he could not tell After some little time of Recollection the Earl made his Defence The Earl's Defence That as to the Petition whereas they were to meet together and he having some poor Interest in the Countrey and not being made acquainted with the drawing of it but it was done privately he appeals to their Lordships whether he who was made a Stranger to the beginning of it should be over officious to serve them in the Conclusion he acknowledges he did disadvise the Clause about Petitioning for a Parliament not out of aversion to Parliaments for he told them at the meeting of the Great Council his Majesty would be pleased to call a Parliament and that their Petition would neither further nor hinder it and therefore might be forborn and the King left free in his Acts of Grace to his People that he might have all the Honour of it to himself and it should proceed from his own Goodness and Royal Breast not as advised to it by any others thereby to apply the Affections and Gratitude of the People to his Majesty As to the second Message and raising a Tax without lawful Warrant he said That on Debate of the business of 200 present not above 3 or 4 Dissented but that they did totally lay aside the Petition and gave him Commission to signifie to his Majesty how willing they were to contribute a Months pay to the Train Bands which he did faithfully deliver and named divers who gave their consent who were free from the imputation of Popery as any in the County To this Sir Paul Neal was Examined Sir Paul Neal. Who attested it was according to the Account his Lordship had given that if he thinks 200 Gentlemen Except 4 or 5 he dares swear not 10 the whole Vote of the Company was that it should be delivered according to the substance of the Petition the last Clause left out Sir Edward Osborn averred Sir Edward Osborn That all but about Ten did consent to a Months pay and to leave out the Clause and not above 4 or 5 Gentlemen opened their mouths against this consent in words their hearts he knows not Sir William Pennyman attested the same Sir William Pennyman And that divers who had set their hands to the Petition did retract it himself for one and several Members of the House whom he would name if their Lordships thought fit but it was waved and as Sir Edward Osborn said before the Crowd was so great that at the delivery of the Message by my Lord to the King he could not come near to hear whence my Lord observed it was not done in a Corner when Persons of their quality could not come near Sir William Savil attested the same Sir Will. Savil. In effect as to retracting the Petition the number of Dissenters and that my Lord delivered it in his hearing faithfully to his Majesty and with much more advantage then the Petition was drawn and that he believes verily a months pay was the intention of them all and where he lived it was paid very willingly and no complaints of want of Money Sir William Pennyman Sir Edward Osborn attested to that point Sir Edward Rhodes attested much to the same purpose Sir Ed. Rhodes And that the Hall being appointed for the place of Debate of this Affair My Lord Strafford took notice that he was not fairly dealt with to have a Petition drawn without his consent and the business concluded before the time and out of the place appointed and that of 3000 Gentlemen he thinks not so many as 20 did disassent Sir Thomas Danby attested the same Sir Tho. Danby only upon Mr. Maynard's question Whether two Soldiers were not hang'd for mutinying for want of pay which they would not have done if they had been well paid Sir Thomas answered he could not speak to that without prejudice to himself he being questioned for hanging men by Martial Law Sir George Wentworth of Woolley attested the same As to retracting the Petition Sir George Wentworth and my Lords delivering it by word of mouth c. My Lord then proceeded to the matter of Sir William Pennyman's Warrant and declared That upon the complaint of those who maintained the 2 Regiments at Yarum and Richmondshire desiring that common Justice might be done in the common misfortune he did divers of the Lords being at Rippon humbly present to the King and great Council of Peers at York That it was Justice and Reason that the rest of the Countrey should contribute towards the Charge for the common benefit or else successively relieve those Regiments this he moving his Majesty was pleased to assent and gave direction he should proceed upon which he said Then if my Lords approve of it I shall see it done accordingly That divers of the Lords said Yes and he took it for granted but understanding that some of their Lordships at Rippon were dissatisfied that it was said to be the Act of the Great Council the last day they met he gave an account of it and moved the King to know whether the Warrant should be recalled and some Lords saying the Great Council had no power to Levy money to which he answered the Warrant was not to levy money but to enjoyn the Parties to do their Duties or pay the money at which time the King was pleased to Command him to go on and no person spake to the contrary which he took for consent that all he got by it was to have his own Tenants charged who otherwise would not have paid a Farthing and that it was done for the ease of the Countrey and so taken it being much more for their Ease to pay that money then to relieve those Regiments some of them being to march 70 Miles Sir Edward Osborn Sir William Pennyman and Mr. Roger Strickland attested this and that by all parties it was look't upon as an Ease and Benefit As for Sir Edward Osborn 's Warrant and Mr. Yoward 's and the Musketteers he made no Warrant gave no directions But he conceives he hath done nothing but what he was impow red by his Commission a Clause of which was For the better Execution of this our Commission We do further give and grant to you full power and Authority from time to time and at all times at your discretion to command and require of and from all our Lieutenants and Deputy-Lieutenants in our several Counties of this our Realm and Dominion of Wales and of and from every or any of them to send to you or such place as you shall appoint such number of able men for War as well Horsemen as Foot-men in
leave to tell you what we might have shown and are ready to show we could have made it express and proved it by Notes taken by Secretary Vane the 5th of May when the words were spoken which Notes should have been proved if we had proceeded on the Three and twentieth Article to corroborate the Testimony of Mr. Secretary Vane and that by two Witnesses We could likewise have shown how we came to the knowledg of it it being by means unknown to Mr. Secretary Vane and have made him an upright Counsellor and Witness but we shall prove his intentions to bring in the Irish Army another way when I come to open my own course and method My Lords he pretends these words were spoken the 5th of May but when they were testified by Mr. Treasurer he did not speak of the 5th of May and yet now my Lord remembers the day and I wonder how he came to the knowledge of the day unless he likewise remembred the words But that my Lord observes is That being spoken then how should he perswade the King that he had an Army in Ireland when in truth he had none there for the Army was not on foot till a month after This my Lords is plainly answered and if he had thought of his own answer he had answered himself for he tells you That in April before he had taken a course for the levying of the Army he had nominated the Officers giving direction for raising it and the day of the Rendezvous of the Army was appointed the 18th of May. And so in his own answer he makes an answer to the objection and the objection is taken away out of his own confession From that Article he falls to the Seven and twentieth Article whereby he stands charged with Levying Money by force upon the King's People in Yorkshire he is pleased to observe that all the proof for the maintenance of that Article is only the levying of Money by four Soldiers by Sergeant-Major Yaworth where he is pleased to disdain the War because it was so weak yet it was too strong for them God help them that were forced upon pain of life to pay it And whereas he pretends the Warrant was not from him I shall reserve that till I come to the Article and when I come to the proofs I believe it will remain fixed upon him And there he left his Statute-Treason and now he falls to the second kind of Treason and that was the introductive or constructive Treason He begins with the Third Article that is concerning some words that he should be charged to have spoken in Ireland and I shall desire that your Lordships would be pleased to look upon your Notes how he answers that Article My Lords says he I am charged to say that Ireland was a Conquered Nation and that their Charters were nothing worth and bind the King no further than he pleaseth therefore I am a Traytor because I speak the Truth There was his Answer in his Collection And for their Charters he says He might very well say so for he intended it no otherwise but according to the validity of them for they were several ways questionable and ought not to bind unless they were good in Law But if you look upon his Arguments he hath like a cunning Orator omitted the principal part of the Article and that is That Ireland is a Conquered Nation and they were to be governed as the King pleaseth the King might do with them what he list this he omits although they be proved by three Witnesses and are appliable to his intentions fully yet he could make use of so much as makes for him and leaves out the rest like your Lordships know whom Then he descends to the Fourth Article and this concerns some words he should speak upon an occasion betwixt him and my Lord of Cork that he should tell my Lord of Cork He would have neither Law nor Lawyers dispute or question his Orders And upon another occasion That he would make my Lord of Cork and all Ireland know That all Acts of State which are Acts of Council there made should be as binding as any Act of Parliament This he said was proved but by one Witness and I extreamly marvel to hear him say so for the latter words we proved by four or five or six Witnesses that is That he would have Acts of State as binding as Acts of Parliament Whereas he sayes these are all the words produced against him in the time of Seven Years Government there your Lordships have heard of many words and if we would trouble your Lordships further in this kind we could prove such words spoken as often almost as he remained dayes in Ireland that is for the mis-recital The other part two Witnesses proved but the residue That they must expect Law from the King as a Conqueror That Acts of State should be equal to Acts of Parliament and when an Act of Parliament would not pass he would make it good by an Act of State These speeches at other times were proved by five Witnesses Then he falls back to the Second Article touching the words That the King 's little finger should be heavier than the loins of the Law My Lords These words were proved expresly by five Witnesses to be by him spoken and if he had produced five hundred that had said he did not speak them they had not been equivalent to disprove five but he produces none Sir William Pennyman repeats other words and inverts them and none but he Another party a Minister reports a report that he heard concerning these words but my Lord he saith the occasion of the speaking of them was not mentioned Truly perhaps it might be the forgetfulness of my Lord's memory but let me put him in mind and your Lordships remember that the occasion was exprest by one and that is Sir David Fowles that he laying a Command upon Sir David to Repair a Bridge and calling him to an account why it was not repaired Sir David Fowles told him he could not do it by Law And therefore omitting it my Lord said to him Sir some are all for Law and Lawyers but you shall know that the King 's little finger will be heavier than the loins of the Law Here is the occasion though he would have another business the Knighting Money to be the occasion From the Second he falls to the Three and twentieth Article that is concerning words that he should counsel His Majesty that he might use His Prerogative as he pleased but in saying there was no proof offered he here begins to fall upon the other fallacy that is to pull things asunder whereas we produce them together and would make that which is a Fagot to be but a single Stick but under favour when I come with your Lordships patience to open the force of the proofs and put them together he shall find contrary to his expectation that they are fully
Majesty's said Letters or the said Act of State and not otherwise The Commons not being satisfied with these Sober and Calm Resolutions of the Judges fell to Voting their own Sense and to make Declarations of the Law upon their former Queries as followeth Questions propounded in Parliament And Declarations of the Law thereupon in Parliament Quest 1. The Declaration of the Commons in Ireland upon the Queries propounded to the Judges WHether the Subjects of this Kingdom be a Free People and to be Governed only by the Common Laws of England and Statutes of Force in this Kingdom Declarat The Subjects of this his Majesties Kingdom of Ireland are a free People and to be Governed only according the Common Law of England and Statutes made and established by Parliament in this Kingdom of Ireland and according to the Lawful Customs used in the same 2. Quest Whether the Judges of this Land do take the Oath of Judges And if so Whether under pretext of any Act of State Proclamation Writ Letter or Direction under the Seal or Privy Seal Signet or Letter or other Commandment from the Lord Lieutenant Lord Deputy Justice Justices or other Chief Governor or Governors of this Kingdom they may hinder stay or delay the Suit of any Subject or his Judgment or Execution thereupon If so in what Cases And whether if they do hinder stay or delay such Suit or Judgment or Execution thereupon what Punishment do they incur for their deviation and transgression therein Declarat That Judges in Ireland ought to take the Oath of the Justices or Judges declared and established in several Parliaments of Force in this Kingdom and the said Judges or any of them by Color or under Pretext of any Act of State or Proclamation or under Color or Protext of any Writ Letter or Direction under the Great Seal Privy Seal or Privy Signet from the King 's Most Excellent Majesty or by Color or Pretext of any Letter or Commandment from the Chief Governor or Governors of this Kingdom ought not to hinder or delay the Suit of any Subject or his Judgment or Execution thereupon and if any Letters Writs or Commands come from his Majesty or from any other or for any other Cause to the Justices or to the other deputed to do the Law and right according to the Usage of the Realm in disturbance of the Law or of the Execution of the same or of Right to the Party the Justices and others aforesaid ought to proceed and hold their Courts and Processes where the Pleas and Matters be depending before them as if no such Letters Writs or Commandments were come to them And in case any Judge or Judges Justice or Justices be found in default therein he or they so found in default ought to incur and undergo due Punishment according to the Law and former Declarations and Provisions in Parliament in that Case made and of Force in this Kingdom or as shall be Ordered Adjudged or Declared in Parliament And the Barons of the Exchequer Justices of the Assize and Goal-delivery if they be found in default as aforesaid It is hereby declared That they ought to undergo the Punishment aforesaid 3. Quest Whether the Kings Majesties Privy Council either with the Chief Governor or Governors of this Kingdom or without him or them be a Place of Judicature by the Commons Laws and wherein Causes between Party and Party for Debts Trespasses Accompts Possessions or Title of Lands or any of them or which of them may be heard and determined and of what Civil Causes they have Jurisdiction and by what Law And of what Force is their Order or Decree in such Cases or any of them Declarat The Council Table of this Realm either with the Chief Governor or Governors or without the Chief Governor or Governors is no Judicatory wherein any Action Real Personal Popular or Mixt or any Suit in the Nature of the said Actions or any of them can or ought to be Commenced Heard or Determined and all Proceedings at the Council Table in any Suit in the nature of any of the said Actions are void especially Causes particularly provided for by express Acts of Parliament of Force in this Kingdom only excepted 4. Quest The Like of the Chief Governor alone Declarat The Proceedings before the Chief Governor or Governors alone in any Action Real Personal Popular or Mixt or in any Suit in the Nature of any of the said Actions are Coram non Judice and void 5. Quest Whether Grants of Monopolies be warranted by the Law and of what and in what Cases and how and where and by whom are the pretended Transgressors against such Grants punishable and whether by Fine Mutilation of Members Imprisonment Loss and Forfeiture of Goods or otherwise and which of them Declarat All Grants of Monopolies are contrary to the Laws of this Realm and therefore void and no Subject of the said Realm ought to be Fined Imprisoned or otherwise Punished for exercising or using the Lawful Liberty of a Subject contrary to such Grants 6. Quest In what Cases the Lord Lieutenant Lord Deputy or other Chief Governor or Governors of this Kingdom and Council may punish by Fine Imprisonment Mutilation of Members Pillory or otherwise And whether they may Sentence any to such the same or the like punishment for infringing the Commands of or concerning any Proclamation of and concerning Monopolies and what punishment do they incur that Vote for the same Declarat The Lord Lieutenant Lord Deputy or other Chief Governor or Governors and Council of this Realm or any of them ought not to imprison any of his Majesties Subjects but only in Cases where the Common Laws or Statutes of the Realm do inable and warrant them so to do and they ought not to Fine or to Consure any Subject in mutilation of Member standing on the Pillory or other shameful Punishment in any Case at the Council Table and no Subject ought to be Imprisoned Fined or otherwise Punished for Infringing any Commands or Proclamation for the support or Countenance of Monopolies and if in any Case any Person or Persons shall be committed by the Command or Warrant of the Chief Governor or Governors and Privy Council of this Realm or any of them That in every such Case every Person or Persons so Committed restrained of his or their Liberty or suffering Imprisonment upon Demand or Motion made by his or their Counsel or other imployed by him or them for that purpose unto the Judges of the Court of Kings-Bench or Common-Pleas in open Court shall without delay upon any Pretence whatsoever for the ordinary Fees usually paid for the same have forthwith granted unto him or them a Writ or Writs of Habeas Corpus to be directed generally unto all and every Sheriff Goaler Minister Officer or other Person in whose Custody the Party or Parties so Committed or Restrained shall be shall at the Return of the said Writ or Writs and
That Mr. Hugh Benson shall be forthwith sent for as a Delinquent by the Serjeant at Arms attending on this House After which it was Ordered Captain of Hurst Castle Summoned That the Lord Gorge who is Governor of Hurst Castle be forthwith Summoned to appear here to give an Account why he suffered that Castle to go to decay A Complaint was exhibited by the Resident of Florence Resident of Florence complains of his House being broken c. against May and Newton two Persons imployed to apprehend Priests for violently contrary to the Law of Nations breaking open his Doors and taking and committing his Domestick Servants to Prison Whereupon it was Ordered That the said May and Newton be Summoned to give an Account of that Action and that the said Persons Imprisoned be set at Liberty the Resident passing his Word for their forth-coming Then certain Interrogatories to be administred to Owen O Connelly Interrogatories for the further Examination of Connelly were read as follows 1 What ground had you to Suspect that the Papists had any Design upon the State of Ireland 2 What have you heard any Priests or others say concerning the promoting of the Romish Religion 3 What Discourse have you had with Hugh Ogh Mac-Mohan concerning any such Design in Ireland 4 Have you heard of any Design in England or Scotland of the like Nature what is it you have heard Declare your whole Knowledg The Design of which Questions as plainly appears by the very Words of them were purposely to draw out something from him which might give color to the pretended Calumnies against the King or Queen or both of them as being some way or other concerned in promoting Popery and the Rebellion in Ireland as they had upon all Occasions insinuated the King to have been privy and Consenting to the Design of bringing up the Army and the Conspiracy in Scotland pretended against Hamilton Argyle and others And indeed the Faction laid hold upon all Occasions which were in the least capable of an Improvement to the Defamation of his Majesty and to rob him of the Affections of his People by whispering such Surmises as might beget and confirm those useful Fears and Jealousies of Popery and Arbitrary Power which were to be the Engines by which their wicked and mischievous Designs were to be effected and accomplished After this Sir Thomas Widdrington Reports further of the Conference The Report of the Conferrence about the Prince and Queen concerning the Prince and Queen That the Earl of Holland said he had according to the Commands of both Houses waited upon her Majesty and presented her with the Reasons of both Houses why they desired that the Prince should reside at Richmond 1. Because that he lost much opportunity in improving himself in his Learning and Study by being at Oatlands 2. Next though the Parliament doth not think her Majesty would intimate any thing to him concerning her Religion yet there were many about her which might prepare him with those impressions in his Religion which mightsit upon him many Years after 3. That in this time so full of danger for we hear of new Treasons every day that the Prince might be more Secure and yet his Lordship said he acquainted the Queen That it was not the Intentions of the Two Houses of Parliament that the Prince should not at all wait upon her Majesty but might come when her Majesty was desirous to see him but yet that his place of Residence might be at Richmond for otherwise his Governor could not take that Charge over Him as was required by the Parliament nor be answerable for such Servants as were about him His Lordship was pleased further to say That Her Majesty gave this Answer THat She gave the Parliament Thanks for their Care of her Son The Queens Answer the Occasion wherefore Her Majesty sent for him was to Celebrate the Birth-Day of one of his Sisters but that the Prince should be presently sent back to Richmond And Her Majesty said She did make no doubt but upon the King's Return the Parliament will Express the like Care both of the Kings Honor and Safety Mr. Whitlock further Reported That the Lord Chamberlain said at the Conference That he had taken care for a Guard That many of them complained of standing upon their Guard 24 Hours without Relief and some of the Captains neglect to come and that therefore Order should be taken therein A Message was brought from the House of Commons by Arthur Goodwin Esquire to let their Lordships know Wednesday Novemb. 3. A Message from the Commons about Phillips the Priest That he was Commanded to give their Lordships Thanks from the House of Commons for their Care and Honour of Religion in committing Robert Phillips the Priest unto the Tower desiring that he may not be released from his Imprisonment without they be made acquainted with it and that their Lordships would give Directions that none may speak with him at the Tower but in the presence of some of the Keepers Whereupon the Lords made an Order accordingly The Lord Privy Seal Reported The Report about Borrowing 50000 l. of the City That Yesterday the Committees of both Houses in the Name of the Parliament went to the City to propound the Borrowing of 50000 l. for the Irish Affairs He said They gave the City a full relation of the State and Condition of Ireland now is in it being the Case of Religion That they were much moved at the Relation and the Committees then told the Three Wants which the Council of Ireland desires to be speedily furnished with or else that Kingdom will be in danger to be lost which are Men Arms and Money His Lordship said the Committee told them the Parliament required nothing of them but the Loan of Money which should be Secured to them by Act of Parliament with advantage to themselves with Interest Vpon this the Major and Aldermen with the Common Council presently retired to consult among themselves till it was very late and so the Committees left them The next Morning the Recorder came to the Lords of the Councel at Whitehall and declared That he had Command from the Major and Aldermen and Common Council of the City to inform their Lordships first by way of Protestation That so great Sums of Money were drawn from them lately that they were hardly able to Supply this Occasion Yet such is their Zeal to this Cause that they will do their best Endeavours therein 2. He delivered by way of Plea from the City That Protections were so frequent that unless the Parliament did take some Course therein they shall not be able to do the Parliament that Service they desire in this kind because it decayes their Trading Mr. Recorder further declared That the City had formerly lent 50000 l. upon the Request of the Great Council at York which was due the 22d. of October last which yet is not paid
which time they met and concluded of an Order to Adjourn the House till Tuesday the 11th of January 1641. And in the mean time appointed a Committee of the House of Commons to Sit in London to consider of the Safety of the King Kingdom and Parliament and of repairing of the Priviledges of Parliament so highly broken Which Meeting hath produced several Orders and Decalrations for maintaining the Priviledges of Parliament which are to be reported to the House and there to have its force But for the Safety of the Kingdom and City which they conceived to be in Imminent danger the Committee for Irish Affairs of the House of Commons propounded the consideration thereof to the Committee of the Lords House for Irish Affairs who sate likewise in London who in regard the King had denyed both Houses a Guard to protect them and in regard such an Hostile Plot was intended as was apparently proved declared their Opinion That whereas the King and Parliament was in so great danger that in that Case the Sheriffs of London and Middlesex ought to come with the Posse Comitatus to the Parliament to defend the King and Parliament To which Opinion the Committee of the House of Commons assented which was communicated to the Lord Mayor Aldermen and Common Councel of London and they delivered their Opinions herein and expressed their forwardness hereunto This Breach of Priviledg of Parliament begot much discontent in the Parliament and People and the more in regard by special Command the Articles against Master Pym and the rest were Printed and the same published by Sir William Killegrew and Sir William Flemyn and delivered in his Majesties Name as they falsely pretended to the Four Inns of Court to the end to make these persons the more odious to them and the Kingdom And in regard the consequence of admitting this Accusation in this manner against these five persons is a president to take away the whole House of Commons at a breath under pretence of High Treason if as God forbid an Accusation of this Nature should be hereafter and considering that to this very day 11 Januar. 1641. no Articles of Impeachment is come into the House of Commons by the King's Attorney or otherwise or from the Lords House if any be there against them till which time that it come from thence by Messengers of their own if there first depending the House cannot legally take notice thereof This and many other Reasons made the House of Commons to insist upon it besides the great merit of these persons whom as the House hath declared though as dear as their Lives unto them they will deliver over unto a Tryal so as his Majesty will proceed against them in a Legal way either at the Kings-Bench or in Parliament and produce any Subject in England that will stand to make good the Accusation and in case they fail to make it good that his Majesty will let them be forth-coming and also to discover those wicked Counsels that have advised him to this course that they may be brought to condigne punishment The City and People in the adjacent Parts are so much moved in this business and fearing some suddain Execution may be done upon the Parliament both the House of Peers and House of Commons and the Lords of the Privy Councel having declared that this Act of his majesties without their Advice and against the Priviledges of Parliament That they yesterday declared That Eight Companies of the Trayned Bands with 8. Pieces of Ordnance and divers Horsemen mounted shall Guard the Committees of the House of Peers and Commons from Grocers-Hall in London to Westminster And the Sea Captains Masters of Ships and Marriners with small Barges and Long-Boats sufficiently Mann'd and Armed with Murderers Rablets Faulchion and Minion with Musquet and Half-Pikes to the number of 2000 persons have engaged themselves to Guard the Parliament by Water The Trayned Bands in Southwark have offered themselves to secure all the other side of the Water and the Apprentices tendred their Services to attend the Parliament to the number of Ten Thousand with Warlike Weapons but those the Parliament enjoyned to stay at home And lastly the Watermen tendred their Barges for more Safety to carry the Parliament-men by Water All which to the great admiration of all the Beholders put in Execution this day And that which is most considerable 4000 Horsemen are come to the House of Commons this day except some of them which lay at Vxbridge and places thereabouts with a Petition in the Name of the whole County of Buckingham That Mr. Hampden their Knight of the Shire may receive his Tryal and not lie under the name of High Treason and cannot obtain a Legal way of Tryal and that if he acquit himself as no good men make doubt of Justice in a high measure may be done upon the false informers of his Majesty how near or how great soever They being confident that it is but design of the Popish Party to put an interruption in the Proceedings of Parliament that no Relief may be sent to Ireland but that more Protestant Blood may be shed there and that all Acts made this Parliament may be avoided under pretence of no Free Parliament And lastly to force a Breach of this Parliament by an untimely Adjournment or fayl of meeting through fear of danger By this it will be easy to observe how the People were deluded and inflamed into those Heats and Commotions which cast this Nation so dear and by what wayes the popular Poison and and Contagion spread it self far and wyde so as to become almost an Epidemical Disease throughout the Kingdom and will plainly demonstrate how dangerous a Tool the Press is when the Hand of Faction And now let us take a view of their Actions and how they demeaned themselves having got the Bishops cooped into the Tower and the King out of the Town Tuesday Jan. 11. and themselves triumphantly replaced at Westminster The Lord Lieutenant of Ireland Reported That the Lords Committees for the Irish Affairs have met in London with the Committee of the House of Commons and have agreed upon some Resolutions concerning the Affairs of Ireland 1. That 2500 l. out of the Loan Money be forthwith delivered to Sir Job Harvey and Sir John Nulls who have undertaken to return it to Chester for the Paying and Transporting the 300. Men now there to Dublin 2. That 3000 l. more be paid to them they having undertaken to give Credit to Mr. Walter Frost Commissary for the Victuals The Committee of the House of Commons told the Lords Committees likewise That they were now at the bottom of their Purses and for-as-much as the necessity of providing Money and of the Supply for the present relief of Ireland requireth the Consideration of both Houses of Parliament and for-as-much as they cannot sit in safety without strong and sufficient Guards from the City of London and adjacent Parts they desire
things as may advance the King's Service and that from them it passes to the Lord Keeper or Chancellor That he gave no Directions about it nor was any proof offered that he did as to the Execution he never did Act nor stay a minute as President after that Commission granted which appears by the Date which was 21 March 8 Car. and he went towards Ireland July following and being neither privy to the taking out the Commission nor Execution he appealed to their Lordships and the Gentlemen of the House of Commons Whether he could be Criminal That if there be an Error in a Judge so that he gives a Sentence otherwise than a man of better Vnderstanding conceives Reason for there is no cause it should be heightned to a Treason to take from him his Life and Honor merely because he was no wiser That what Mr. John Gore speaks to is not in his Charge That to what Musgrave deposeth he can say nothing but by way of Divination that he is but a single Witness speaks not to the Charge that what he sayes will hardly convince a man of a Trespass it being Grounded on a Rule in our Law Boni Judicis est ampliare Jurisdictionem as far as in Reason and Justice they may As to Thorp's Testimony which he speaks to was before the Commission 8 13 Car. and so is not within the Charge This he proved Witnesses for the Earl Slingsby Railton and Little that from July 8. 1633. he was out of England and returned not till 1639. by Mr. Slingsby his Secretary Mr. Railton and Mr. Tho. Little but not upon Oath To this the Managers rejoyned That whereas he said the Charge is not Treason if the Fact appear satisfaction will in good time be given That though this particular is not Treason yet all the parts of it amount to the subversion of the Laws of the Kingdom that is prest as Treason and this as an Evidence Then they fell upon that Expression in the charge Art 2. that at a Publick Assizes he should say That some of the Justices were all for Law and nothing would please them but Law but they should find that the King 's little finger should be heavier than the Loins of the Law This they indeavoured to prove Witnesses William Long Sir Thomas Leyton Marmaduke Potter Mr. William Long deposed That he heard him say the words Sir Thomas Leyton deposed the same and the deposition of Marmaduke Potter deceased since his Examination was read being to the same words To this he answered He could not possibly be guilty of the words as laid in the Charge which sayes it was August after the 21 March 8 Car. at what time he was in Ireland but he would not stand upon Niceties that truth might appear that the words he spoke were That the little finger of the Law was heavier then the King's Loins which agrees with the eccasion for Sir Thomas Leyton Sherriff Levying with great rigor some Knighthood-Money which was paid before but by some Error above sent down again upon which he desired Sir Thomas to return the Money and he would see him discharged in the Exchequer it being so great an Injustice to the Persons and to satisfie the Country he told them the Commission was of Grace and Favour applying those words before recited that none of the Witnesses took notice of the Occasion Dr. Duncomb being demanded what he knew deposed for the Earl Witnesses Dr. Duncomb for the Earl Sir William Pennyman That Sir Edward Stanhope told him in the presence of divers that my Lord had said That speaking of the Prerogative as easier then the Common Law he heard him use the words before recited But Sir William Pennyman positively averred it to be as my Lord had declared at which the managers took great Exception saying He did his duty well being a Member not to inform the House before The Earl desired he might not be prejudiced for his Testimony professing he would put himself upon God's Mercy and not make use of any member of either House though his principal Witnesses were of them rather than be guilty of the Injustice of overthrowing another to save himself Then Sir David Fowles was offered as a Witness but my Lord excepted against him being then a Prisoner in the Fleet at my Lord's Suit But he was over-ruled the Evidence being for the King He deposed positively That he heard the words but the occasion he did not remember but being interrogated as to the occasion a little after he answered That before my Lord went to Ireland he made a Speech to the Countrey and desired them to go on in their Service and to break out in these words which as it contradicted the former Evidence as to the Occasion so he contradicted himself saying but just before he could not well remember the Occasion Sir William Ingram deposed the words but could not remember the Occasion To this the Earl replied That admitting the words spoken Sir William Ingram yet they were not Treason and referred that as a point of Law in due time to be argued by his Councel and the Managers adding they had proved the Fact the Court adjourned This day they proceeded to the Third Article Thursday March 26. The Fourth Day That the Earl should say That Ireland was a Conquered Kingdom and the King might do with them what he pleased That the Charters of Dublin were nothing worth and did bind the King no further than he pleased The Earl moved that he might add something material to what was spoken yesterday the Manager opposed it as contrary to Order The Earl said it was a Court of Honour and a Rule to it self alledging the disadvantage of suddain Answers but it was denied him Then he moved the Witnesses might not stand with the Committee but apart as in other Courts which was also denied Robert Kennyday was produced Robert Kennyday but the Earl objected against him as a person Sentenced for Misdemeanors in his Office of Remembrancer saying It was his great Misfortune that all that have suffered under the King's Justice in his Ministry are ready to be Witnesses against him But the Manager replied If he was guilty of Extortion yet not of Perjury So he was sworn and deposed positively that he heard the words Sept. 30. 1633 spoken at the Presenting a New Mayor of Dublin The Earl of Cork was sworn against whom the Earl Excepted Richard Earl of Cork in regard of an Information against him which under his hand and Seal he had confessed and acknowledged himself in the King's Mercy for which he might be supposed to be displeased at him for something done in that Cause To this it was said the reflection was unfit the Earl of Cork being a Privy-Councellor so he was admitted He said he came over with a Resolution not to complain and left his Papers behind him that he might have no temptation to it but
Rectory of which he had been possessed as Tenant to the Crown 35 Years that taking out Writs to arrest Gwyn the Earl bad him recal them or he would clap him in the Castle and that he would not have his Orders disputed by Law nor Lawyers that he desired Gwyn being Poor he might give security which the Earl said was just and that it should be so entred in his Order but that Sir Paul Davis told him that my Lord Strafford found fault with it and struck it out with his own hand that making a Lease to an Incumbent contrary to an Act of State that no Lease should be longer then the Incumbent's Life and being prosecuted for it the Earl told him an Act of State should be as binding as an Act of Parliament John Waldron deposed the same in the Case of a Lease between the Merchants of Galloway and some others John Waldron John Kay Lord Killmallock Sir Pierce Crosby John Kay deposed the same the Lord Killmallock deposed the same and that Sir George Radcliff my Lord Strafford's Eccho an occasion of throwing out a Bill making its Felony to have Powder without licence said the same Sir Pierce Crosby deposed the same To this the Earl answered The Earl's Defence That the Council Board of Ireland was a Court of Record that it was so in favour of the English Protestants and Clergy This he proved by the Lord Dillon in the Lord Chichester's and Lord Grandison's time Lord Dillon that the Acts of State were by the Judges reputed as Laws of the Land for the present and proceeded by Arrest Imprisonment and Fines upon contempt Sir Adam Loftus which Sir Adam Loftus confirmed Then the Order which my Lord of Cork mentioned was read attested and acknowledged to be Sir Paul Davis his hand where it appeared the Clause my Lord Cork said was struck out was standing still only my Lord Cork was limited to prosecute within a Year So what was objected about Gwyn he said he was unknown to him but produced a Certificate from the University of Dublin That he was a Master of Arts of 12 or 14 Years standing adding That my Lord of Cork must be an Excellent Schollar under whom his Groom had so much profited For the Words spoken to the Earl of Cork though he had so quick a memory as to swear them roundly as laid in the charge to a syllable yet they carry their own Contradiction the Order produced referring him to the Law at the highest if the words were spoken they are but indiscreet and it was severe to be punished for being no wiser than God Almighty had made him that my Lord is but a single Witness and he is not prosecuted according to 1 E. 6. cap. 12. That the other Witnesses are Extrajudicial proving words spoken in other places and times then he is charged withal and yet that the words may bear a fair interpretation for that the King being the Law-giver which he hoped none would deny without the Crime of Treason the King's sentence is a Law in matters not determined by Act of Parliament that Prerogative is a part of the Fundamental Law as well as the Property of the Subject That he had alwayes wished for an harmony between them and that they might keep in their wonted Channel if either of them rise above their due heights nothing could be expected but subversion of the Common-wealth either by Tyranny or Rebellion That prerogative was like the First liberty of the subject like the 2d Table either both or neither can be preserved That Prerogative as long as it goes not against the Law of the Land is the Law of the Land and binding being made to prevent a temporary mischief before an Act of Parliament can give Remedy He excepted against the Lord Killmallock 's swearing Sir George Ratcliff to be his Eccho it being impossible to swear his thoughts Against Mr. Hoy and Sir Pierce Crosby as persons concerned against him in point of Interest and to Mr. Waldron 's That the circumstance qualifies the Words it being according to a Statute directing that Leases should not be made without reserving the Moiety of the yearly value After which the Manager replyed That this Article proved the Earl of Strafford's intention to subvert the Government that whereas he saies they are not prosecuted in time the Effects continue to this day and they prosecute him Flagrante Crimine that threatning the Earl of Cork was Arbitrary Government that he hath made it a habit to speake such words as appears by the several times that he himself had confessed the words that when things are rejected in Parliament they are not to be supplied by an Act of State Then they desired to Examin another witness Roger Lotts Witness which the Earl excepting against as not regular the Lords adjourned to their House to consider of it and returning he was admitted and deposed concerning the Bill for Powder without Licence to Felony the Earl told them He would make it an Act of State and that should be as Good To which the Earl replied It was done by Command and for reasons of State not fit to be made publick to keep Powder out of unsafe hands but did not conduce to his acquittal or Condemnation Upon Saturday March 27. Saturday March 27. The 6th day Artic. 5. they proceeded to the Sentencing the Lord Mountnorris at a Council of War thereby Exercising a Tyrannical Power over a Peer of the Realm of Ireland c. First the Sentence was read reciting the King's Letter which commanded a Council of War to sit upon the Lord Mountnorris being a Captain for inciting Revenge against the Lord Deputy-General of his Majesties Army The Lord Mountnorris deposed That he was called to a Council of War Lord Mountnorris Witness charged to have spoken words to this purpose That being told a Kinsman of his had hurt the Lord-Deputies Foot having the Gout he should say Perhaps it was done in Revenge of that publick affront that my Lord Deputy did me formerly but I have a Brother that would not have taken such a Revenge that he was required instantly to confess or deny the Charge that he desired time to answer but was denied as also to produce witnesses to disprove the Lord Moor and Sir Robert Loftus who upon Oath had affirmed it that thereupon in half an Hour Sentence was Pronounced against him by Sir Charles Coot Provost Marshal That the Lord-Deputy in scorn told him That he might proceed to Execution but he would Supplicate his Majestie for his Life and rather lose his Hand then he should lose his Head that he was committed to Prison December the 12th and bailed out the 18th the Physitians making Oath he was in danger of his life the High oppression and Injustice having thrown him into a desperate sickness committed again Apr. the 11th let out May the 2d by reason of Sickness recommitted the 30th of January following
think fit and to direct a Course for the Licensing the Sale thereof to the best improvement yet so as to take care to prevent the bringing in Vnsound Tobacco Then he offered the Contract of Carpenter Bartholomew Peatly and others for 11 Years at 5000 l. the first 5 Years and 10000 l. the Six last freed from Custom and paying only 3 d. Impost In which he did nothing but with the assistance of the Council there That there was an Act of Parliament in agitation to settle it in the Crown That he always judged a Proclamation Lawful till a Parliament confirms it As to the Punishments they were for Perjury and in terrorem and where it is objected That it is not sold at Reasonable Rates the Contractors are to Justifie themselves and he doubts not but they can That to the vast profit of 100000 l. it is admirable for at his coming away the Contractors were 6000 l. out of purse and for his gains by the Customs he dealt freely they were about 4 5 or 6000 l. per annum better then the Rent which he thinks is not considerable in the Charge of Treason He told their Lordships that he could not give a particular account the Ministers had been so dealt withal laid in prison and abused if you will speak of a Tyrannical and Arbitrary way of Government At which Expression exceptions were taken but he explained it of Ireland not of things here for which he produced two Orders for the seizure of his Goods concluding it was at worst but a Monopoly and that he never heard was judged Treason To which Mr. Maynard replied Managers Reply That this was no good service to His Majesty that when the Commons shall desire something may be done therefore any thing may be done and that it was never their Intention to put such Cruelties upon the Subject that his Majesties Letter was upon misinformation that if it had been so a Monopoly set up in England could not justifie the setting up one in Ireland that his Crime was the greater by endeavouring to justifie it under a name so Sacred as his Majestie 's That though a Proclamation hath a Temporary Power yet not to take away the Goods of the Subject This Day the 13th Article was read Article 13. Thursday April 1. Article was read wherein the Earl of Strafford was Charged with putting the Natives of Ireland upon working of Flax in a way unknown to them and seizing their Goods upon pretence of their disobeying his Orders to his own Vse whereby Thousands were undone To prove this his Proclamations were read as also a Warrant to one Benjamin Croky and his Deputy Witnesses Benjamin Croky Sir John Clotworthy to seize all Yarn made contrary to Proclamation To this Benjamin Croky sworn deposed That he did seize Yarn and it was taken from him by one Joseph Carpenter who converted it to my Lord's Looms Sir John Clotworthy deposed That he saw the Proclamation and Warrant being a Justice of Peace and Examined several People who were abused which Examinations he sent to the Lord-Deputy for which he was severely threatned and hardly Escaped being sent for by a Serjeant at Arms that upon these Proclamations the Markets were deserted and they sold it privately to avoid seizure thereupon the Officers came to him for assistance and threatned the Constables and broke open Chests that he took away the Yarn from them and restored it to the Proprietors That this made great Disorders and many People were starved losing all they had provided for their half Years Rent The Lord Ranulagh deposed That at Athlone Complaints were made to him of one Dennis who had seized a great quantity of Yarn that conceiving it an abuse he sent a Gentleman to inform the Lord Deputy to whose Intention he thought this proceeding not agreeable and that my Lord withdrew the Warrants Then part of the Remonstrance of the Commons in Ireland was read shewing That the Pursivants by seizing the Yarn destroyed the Market that the Merchants meeting the People at private Houses they way-layd them and took away their Yarn and Cloth seizing on all not leaving the poor people so much as to cover their nakedness That they took away their Iron Pots upon a pretence of another Proclamation and by this cruelty exceeding Pharoah their poor Children were forced to eat Grass with the Beasts where they lay down and died by Thousands as will be proved by 20 Thousand That the Judges procured the Lord Lieutenant to Recall the aforesaid Proclamations Mr. Fitzgarret deposed Mr. Fitzgarret That Yarn and Cloth were the staple Commodities of Ulster that the Proclamation and Execution of it impoverished that whole Province That the Officers used extreme cruelty and that one Dr. Cook told him he thought in his Conscience many Thousands were Famished To this the Earl answered The Earl's Defence Here was something like oppression but nothing like Treason That the Intention of these Proclamations was the Improvement of the Manufacture for the good of the Kingdom and to take away abuses That however the Proclamations are not his single acts but of the Deputy and Council That he conceives they had Power to bring them to the English Customs as in other Cases of drawing by the Horse tails burning the straw to get out the Corn and such Irish Customs That his principal design was to prevent the prejudice of the Woollen Manufacture of England the Wool of Ireland increasing and he thought to set up the Linnen Trade would advance Ireland and not prejudice the clothing Trade of England That he lost 3000 l. by attempting it that he cannot be accountable for the abuses of the Officers of whom Croky was the chief now a Witness against him as my Lord Ranulagh has informed their Lordships That he cannot conceive so many Thousands should be starved by his Looms when the whole yearly value came not to above 16 or 1700 l. He is sorry for that Remonstrance of the Commons thinking he had merited a better opinion from that Kingdom and having a little fortune there honestly got could not but wish well to it and he hoped when misinformations were cleared still to regain their good esteem where to the best of his Conscience he had done Justice and deserved well That Mr. Fitzgarret speaks by Report which is no proof and the Commons Remonstrance being but a Charge and not upon Oath he conceives cannot be the proof of a Charge concluding as he began That there might be oppression in the Execution but nothing of Treason in himself or the rest of the Council Mr. Maynard replyed That he was still striking the same string Managers reply no Treason though a high and wilful overthrow of the fundamental Rules of Justice in the Kingdom was evident that a good intention is no excuse to the taking away mens Goods and applying them to his own Vse that the good Company he speaks of is only to
say he is not the only person that deserves punishment and he is the less innocent for misguiding and drawing others into such Actions That he that Commands is more guilty then he that Executes He sayes it was recalled after two years this was the Effect of the tumults and this so that it seems he could go no further and so he left off That its likely the Commons Remonstrance went upon good information and that all he said did not amount to an Excuse having no command as in the Case of the Tobacco Mr. Glyn added That my Lord confessing he lost 3000 l. convinces the point he denyes which was that it was not to advance Trade but for his own profit though it proved not so which the Earl Explained that he made Cloth 6 or 7 years and the Cloth it self not the Yarn was worth 1700 l. per annum for the Yarn was not worth 400 l. and in that time he might very well lose 3000 l. The 14 Article was for the present laid aside Article 15. and they proceeded to the 15th His labouring to subvert the Established Laws and introduce an Arbitrary and Tyrannical Power passing by the first part Mr Palmer who managed the Evidence insisted upon the 2d part of laying Souldiers by Warrant upon Offenders which warrant was given to one Savil a Serjeant at Arms. Mr. Savil being sworn produced a Copy of the Warrant Witness Mr. Savile against which the Earl excepted saying The Original ought to be produced his Life and Honour depending upon his Trial and that it were Treason Savile Swears to justifie himself he being the Person that executed this Treason Mr. Maynard said That if in a Letter one command Treason if the Letter be burnt the Treason cannot be proved if the Original must only prove it The Lord Clare demanded of Savil How they came by the Copy He answered He knew not but that one William Somer Secretary to the Lord Ranulagh had a Copy of it to which he set his hand in order to save a Soldier who had taken two Pewter-Dishes and was like to suffer unless he had a Copy of the Warrant and that this was a true Copy Upon which the House of Lords adjourned and at their return adjudged it should not be read in regard it was not attested So they proceeded to prove the effects of the Warrant To which Savil Deposed That by virtue of this Warrant Soldiers were laid upon delinquents who disobey orders abscond or are rescued from the Pursevants That the Soldiers go with Arms and have Meat and Drink from the Partie they lie on That he had laid Soldiers upon one Francis Ditton one Conolly and Luke Borne who could not be brought in by any other means That his warrant was general the Soldiers foot the number left to his discretion that my Lord never spake to him about complaints made of him that the Secretaries would demand why he did not put the Warrant in execution he said they were poor men Patrick Gough but it never came to my Lord's hands that he knows the greatest number laid was 5 and an Officer Patrick Gaugh deposed he had seen the Warrant Signed Wentworth on the top and a Seal to it that the Execution was a constant Course for contempt that the Soldiers were insolent that lying upon one Bern they took other mens Cattel Burnt part of his House sold his Corn to buy Beer but there was no such liberty given by the Warrant Richard Welsh deposed to the same effect Rich. Welsh of Soldiers laid upon one Francis Dillon Patrick Clear deposed Patrick Clear That Soldiers were laid upon one Agnes White being 80 years Old but upon affidavit of dissability to appear after a Month taken off Nicholas Ardagh deposed to the same effect Nich. Ardagh for debt upon a Paper-Petition Edmond Bern confirmed the Insolence of the Soldiers Edmond Bern. that he was forced to flie into Holland and lost 500 l. by this means Robert Kennedy deposed the same as to Bern Rob. Kenedy but that my Lord was gone to England that he did not see the Warrant but wondred at the Course it having never been done so before the Lord Strafford 's time Mr. Robert Little Little attested for the Earl that He never made any Warrant to Pigot or to Savil nor entred them in his Book or ever saw such Warrant or Entrie The Lord Ranulagh deposed Lord Ranulagh That he had heard something of it upon complaint of one Davis that by combination of the Serjeant and his Adversary he had Soldiers laid upon him which he told the said Lord Ranulagh was by a Warrant Dormant from the Lord-Deputy Wansford That formerly it had been used to lay Soldiers on the relievers of Rebels and for non-payment of Contribution-money but not in a Civil way between Party and Party and upon the Earl's motion he confessed that as a Captain he levied the Rent due to the Exchequer for his Pay by his Soldiers as had been Customary That in King Jame 's time 1628. the Gentlemen of Ireland got leave of the King that for non-payment of Rents or Contribution Soldiers might lie upon the defaulters Mr. Palmer concluded That this was an Act of Hostility by 25 Ed. 3. levying War against our Sovereign Lord the King within His Realm and by the 18 H. 6. cap. 3. made at Dublin in which are these words An Act c. It is agreed and Established That no Lord or any other of what condition soever he be shall bring or lead from henceforth Hoblers Kern or Hooded-men neither English Rebels nor Irish Enemies nor any other People nor Horse to lye on Horseback or Foot to lye on the King's People but on their own cost without consent And if any do so he shall be adjudged as a Traitor After a little time to peruse his Notes the Earl made his Defence The Earl's Defence He desired their Lordships to remember his Witnesses were to come out of Ireland That his time had been so short that he could have none but such as came accidentally That the Customs of Ireland differ from those of England that it had been the Ordinary practice of the Deputy and Council before his time to assess Soldiers not only on the party but his kndred without levying War Lord Dillon That these were ordinary Fellows and to shew what was meant by Rebels in Ireland the Lord Dillon Examined attested That such as having committed Felony or some unjustifiable Act and withdraw into the Woods if upon Proclamation they come not in are reputed Rebels and Traitors Sir Arthur Tyrringham averred That the practice was such in the Lord Faulkland 's time and that such as come not in upon Proclamation John Conley are reputed Rebels John Conley attested That in the Lords Faulkland Grandison and Chichester's times the King 's Rents were collected by Horse-men Henry Dillon who laid upon them
till they were paid Henry Dillon affirmed That in my Lord of Cork's Tyrringham and Lord of Ely's time he had Warrants from them and the Council to gather money by laying Soldiers till it was paid Sir Arthur Tyrringham averred That by Warrant from the Lord Faulkland he had laid Soldiers upon a Debtor Lord Ranulagh till the Debt was paid but does not know whether it was the King's Debt Lord Ranulagh attested that it was the practice of the Lord of Cork and Ely to give Acquittances out of the Exchequer to Captains who if the money was not paid assessed Soldiers on the defaulters Then the Earl offered to prove That it was the desire of the Gentry themselves it might be so in the Lord Faulkland 's time but it was by Mr. Palmer agreed him from whence my Lord inferred That it disabled the first part of the Killing Charge That he should Traiterously and wickedly devise to subdue the Subjects of that Realm by levying Money on them The Earl then desired the 2d Article of the Lord Faulkland's Instructions might be read which was in haec verba For the Collecting of our Rents in cases of default that 1. a summoning Process shall Issue 2. The Pursivant sent 3. If this be not sufficient in case the same be not levyed then our Vice-Treasurer by Warrant of our Deputy and Council shall appoint a competent number of Soldiers of the next Garrison to be aiding to collect the Rents at the Charge of the Parties complained of having care that no man be burdened with a greater number of Soldiers than the Service shall necessarily require At Mr. Palmer's desire the first Article was read viz At the humble Request of Our Subjects We are graciously pleased to direct for the better preservation and ease of Our Subjects the Soldiers shall be called in c. and from what had been proved the Earl inferred That it could not be High-Treason for the King's Service to follow the King's direction and the constant practise of his Predecessors that he brought not the Custom in but found it there and that by Proclamation under the hands of the whole Council it was done for the Ease of the Countrey To the Testimony of Berne and Kenedy of the abuse of the Soldiers 1. he was not then in Ireland 2. he denies he ever gave Pigot such a Warrant and there is no proof of it That Pigot 's threatning Clear with a Warrant is no argument men often threaten most when they have least to shew Kennedy sayes he never saw the Warrant Savil 's Warrant is not produced that this great and mighty War on the King and his Subjects is one of the poorest Wars in Christendome for last Summer one sayes he knew Soldiers laid on one man that it was never complained of all the time he was in Ireland that the Warrant was to procure obedience to all the King's Courts Savil. and to secure the King 's Right He desired Savil might be demanded whether the Warrant granted him was not agreeable to former Precedents who affirmed his Predecessor told him he had received such a Warrant from the Lord Faulkland to sess Soldiers on the Land of Sir Thomas Fitzgerrard Henry Dillon attested Dillon that the Serjeant at Arms was an Officer as well to the Exchequer as Chancery and the last process is Attachment by the Serjeant as well between man and man as for the King Here Mr. Palmer speaking something which my Lord looked upon as an Interruption he desired no hasty words might be misinterpreted he speaking for his Life and Family and that the Gentlemen would do well not to put him out of his way but let him speak those few poor things he can for himself He then added that some wayes he is more qualified then an ordinary Person having the Honour to be his Majestie 's Deputy that by his Commission he was to govern according to the Customs of the Realm and this was Customary by all the former Governours that had it been Levying War there is a Statute 10 H. 6. c 17. Enacting That there shall be no War or Peace in the Land without the Deputie's Licence but all War or Peace to be made by the Lieutenant for the time being And as to the Stat. 18 H. 6. c. 3. That no Lord or other shall charge the King's Subjects c. 1. He hath heard it said that the King cannot be concluded in any Statute unless he be particularly named and consequently not his Chief Governour 2. He shall not lead or bring He hath done neither the Serjeant did it though under his Warrant 3. It speaks of bringing English Rebels or Irish Enemies c. But such are not the King's Soldiers sent to apprehend refractory Persons and for the King's Honour and Service 4. Practice is the best interpreter of Laws and notwithstanding this Statute the Governours have alwayes assessed Soldiers That it would be a hard Case that such an Old Law should be started contrary to Practice to destroy him and his Posterity but he believes he shall prove that Statute Repealed First By the 8 Ed. 4. c. 1. which Enacts That from the Sixth of March then next all Acts made within the Kingdom of England shall be in force in Ireland from the said time This therefore ratifies the Statute of 25 Ed. 3. which is the Statute of Treason and the Statute of 1 H. 4. which sayes nothing shall be Treason but what is within the Statute of 25 of Ed. 3. which repeals the 18 of H. 6. Secondly By the 10 H. 7. c. 29. whereby all the Statutes made in England before that time are made Laws in Ireland and all Laws contrary to these Laws are repealed but the Law urged is against 25 Ed. 3. 1 H. 4. and consequently repealed Next he produced a Statute of 11 Eliz. c. 7. for taking away Captains Ships and that none of the Great Men shall make War or Peace c. Sess nor lead the People without the Great Seal or Warrant from the Lord Deputy so that here is a power in the Deputy to assess c. without being a Traytor That to the Clause of 25 Ed. 3. if any man levy War against the King in his Realm or adhere to his Enemies c. he appeals to their Lordships as in their own Case whether 2 or 3 poor Soldiers sent to bring an Offender liable to the King's Justice can by any construction be levying War against the King and his People or rather for the Honour and Authority and Justice of the King and not adhering to his Enemies but this point of Law he desired to refer to his Council to urge for him with more advantage than he could himself being out of his profession To this Mr. Palmer replyed That there can be no Custom or legal usage Managers reply contrary to an Act of Parliament that those usages were by consent but this of my Lord 's against
between Residence and Restraint to complain to his Majesty that if the Laws of England and Ireland as his Lordship sayes be the same the Passage is open by 4 Jacob. which Repeals 5 Rich. 2. unless the King by Proclamation or a Ne Exeat Regno on special Causes lay a restraint That to the Lord Esmond 's Commission if there was one that Record ought to be produced That for the Lord Roche there was an Information but that was ceased before the denial of the Licence That the true reason why Mac-Carty was denied licence was that he should not complain of his Suit which he said Mr. Little confessed upon taking his Petition as was deposed upon Oath by one John Meaugh John Meaugh And as to Parry 's Sentence it declares something said to be the Cause but not the whole To his last that this is not Treason though they are not individual Treasons yet they are the multiplication of acts of Arbitrary Power and his obtaining power to hinder Subjects access to his Majesty is taking such a Soveraign Power that Non sentit parem nec superiorem Mr. Maynard added That they laid the stress upon this that it was to prevent Complaints of his injustice to his Majesty and that his intention might make that ill which in it self was not so To which Mr. Glyn supplyed That his Design was introducing a Tyrannical Government and before he goes about his work he puts off all means of Redress The 17th and 18th Articles being for the present waved Mr. Artic. 19. Whitlock proceeded to the 19th Article shewing That as he had Exercised Tyrannical Power over the Lives Liberties and Estates of the Irish so over the Consciences of the Scottish Subjects in Ireland by a new Oath and that he said he would root out the Scottish Nation if he returned to Ireland To prove this Sir James Montgomery was sworn who deposed Sir James Montgomery That the Lord-Deputy sent for most of the principal of the Scottish Nation to Dublin by Letters and being come the Lord Viscount Montgomery being indisposed with a Cold the Lord came to his Lodgings where they were to attend him he communicated to them the disorders of Scotland and wished them to do something to vindicate themselves from being of the Confederacy that then the Bishops of Down and Raffo proposed the joyning in a lawful Oath as the others had in an unlawfull and to Petition the Lord-Deputy for it the Bishop of Down offered to draw it but my Lord put it upon the Bishop of Raffo that he took the Liberty to tell his Lordship it was amiss to consider of it To which he replyed Sir James you may go home and Petition or not Petition if you will but if you do not or who do not or to that purpose shall do worse That 2 Petitions were drawn one down right railing the other bitter enough and when it was desired to be softned answer was made the Lord-Deputy had seen it and did approve it that with little alteration the Petition was Signed and Delivered an Oath was framed which my Lord himself administred to them that Commissions came down immediately to administer it to all men and women above 16 years of Age and certifie the names of refusers that many fled out of the Countrey some absconded others were apprehended and he thinks censured some left their Corn on the Ground but being asked about the Papists he did not hear that the Oath was tendred to them or that they were called Then the Oath was Read which see before in the beginning of these Collections Maxwell Sir John Clotworthy Mr. Maxwell sworn deposed to the same Effect Then Sir John Clotworthy sworn deposed That upon the imposing it being a Commissioner he knew multitudes fled left their Corn on the Ground Cattle and Dwellings Richard Salmon deposed Rich. Salmon a School-master That at the Proceedings against Mr. Stuart he being willing to take the first part of the Oath as to Allegiance and Supremacy but the later part as to Ecclesiastical Duties he durst not my Lord told him they had other Oaths for that but this was for both and those who were obedient to Ecclesiastical Orders he would lay his hand under their Feet to do them good but whosoever would resist he would prosecute to the blood That my Lord said further They had made him forget himself by putting him into some passion That they were Traitors and Rebels and that if his Majesty would Honour him so much as to send him back again he would eradicate Root and Branch of all that Nation out of the Kingdom of Ireland saving the Lords and others that had taken the Oath That Mr. Steward was Fined 5000 his Wife 5000 his 2 Daughters 3000 l. a piece and James Gray 3000 as he remembers That Gray was not worth 100 l. Mr. Stuart maintaining him in Prison John Loftus sworn John Loftus deposed to the Fines and the words about the Scottish Nation Mr. Whitlock Summed up the Evidence concluding This was to take a Power far above Law to bind their Consciences that it shewed my Lord's Intention to alter Laws with all his Force and Cruelty The Earl then made his Defence The Earl's Desence That their Lordships and particularly the Lord Steward who was General of the Army against the Scots knew the posture of the King's affairs their fears of the Scots in Ireland and their Confederacy with the Covenanters one being condemned and Executed for Plotting to deliver Knockfergus to a Great man in Scotland To prevent this Lord Dillon there was a debate of Council-Board which was attested by the Lord Dillon and that the whole proceeding about the Oath was concluded on as necessary for the preservation of the State Sir Philip Manwaring and Sir Adam Loftus affirmed the same Sir Philip Manwarin Sir Adam Loftus and that none of the Gentlemen who took the Oath appeared refractory My Lord added They did it chearfully save only Sir James Montgomery which he remembers to their Honour that there being an Expression in the Petition Offering their Lives and Fortunes for vindicating the Regal Power which he said might be turned too strictly upon them he qualified it with these words In equal manner and measure with other his Majestie 's Subjects which as my Lord Montgomery will he is assured justifie were put in by him The Petition and the Act of State were then read being to this Effect By the Lord-Deputy and Council WENTWORTH Where We have lately made an Act of Council in these words WHereas divers Lords Spiritual and Temporal Knights The Act of State and Petition about the Oath in Ireland and others inhabiting in this Kingdom have lately exhibited a Petition to Vs in these words following To the Right Honourable the Lord Deputy and Council c. The Humble Petition of c. The Petition recites The horror apprehended by the Petitioners His Majesties
in his Examination denies absolutely his hearing any such words he sayes indeed he conceives there was intended some Extraordinary wayes of raising money which my Lord Strafford sayes was meant of borrowing 3 or 400000 l. my Lord Marquess Hamilton remembers no such words Then he desired the Lord Treasurer might be examined who averred he never heard my Lord Strafford speak any such words The Lord Cottington averred the same only he heard my Lord Strafford say The Parliament had not provided for the King or had left the King without money which was no more then truth And to the extraordinary wayes That my Lord said the King ought to seek all due and legal wayes and use his Prerogative Castè Candidè and so my Lord concluded That Mr. Secretarie's at most was but a single Testimony of Words which by the before recited Statute requires two sufficient Lawful Witnesses or the voluntary confession of the Party He desired that the Antecedents and Consequents of his words might be taken together and that being spoken of a Case of extreme necessity and the King 's using his Power candidè caste and they would not with those restrictions and limitations with which he spake them he hoped appear so criminal And forthis purpose he desired the Earl of Northumberland's Examination might be read which was That he heard the Earl of Strafford often say That that Power was to be used Candidè Castè and an account thereof should be given to the Parliament that they might see it was only so used That further the Earl of Strafford said That the Kingdom could not be happy but by good agreement between the King and his People in Parliament The Marquess of Hamilton also being Examined attested the same and that heard him speak those words both before and after the Parliament and that it was upon the Occasion of his informing the King that the Scottish Army would certainly invade England Lord Goring and Sir Thomas German attested to the same Effect Lord Treasurer said he remembered the words but not the particular occasion He then added That as this was his meaning so it was cleared to be so by the subsequent Actions for nothing had been done upon it against the Laws and Customs of the Realm that these words were spoken in full Council where he was upon Oath to speak his Conscience and had he not done so he must have been perjured and if he must be either perjured to God or a Traytor to man he had learnt to fear him who can destroy both Soul and Body and not Man who can only kill the Body That it was but his Opinion if held pertinaciously may make a man a Heretick not a Traytor yet he was not pertinacious he pressed it no further nor was any thing done upon it He further desired their Lordships to consider the great Trusts and Thoughts they were born and bred to for the weighty imployments of the Kingdom but this would disable and discourage men from that service if a Councellor delivering his Opinion shall upon mistaking or not knowing the Law be brought into Question for his Life and Honour and Posterity and that few Wise and Noble Persons would upon such unsafe terms adventure to be Counsellors to the King humbly beseeching their Lordships to think of him so as not to bring an inconvenience upon themselves and Posterity To this Mr. Whitlock replyed That whereas my Lord Excuses his words as being only concurrent with the Vote of Council it is evident some were of another Opinion Managers reply That whereas he sayes he therefore gave advice conceiving the Scots Demands strook at the Root of Government it is plain they did not being since by Royal Assent made Acts of Parliament in Scotland it was his Resolution his Advice there should be an Offensive War For staying the Ships they will not insist upon it For his saying The King 's helping himself was a Natural Motion to do it against the Will of the Subjects was a Violent Motion and his Lordships Design and for helping the King in other wayes if the Parliament were Dissolved he was willing it should be so by proposing Supplies before Redress of Grievances and before a Resolution Whether they would give to inform against the Parliament by mis-information and for the Parliament of Irelands Resolution and Declaration it was by his procurement being Chief Governor there And for Vsing the Army against England admitting the primary Intention were to land them in Scotland but when the Army was landed his Intentions might change and it seems it was by his labouring to perswade the King to make Vse of it to reduce this Kingdom That no Answer was given by my Lord to those words That the King was not to be Mastered by the frowardness of his People c. That notwithstanding the Stat. of Ed. 6. it is High Treason to advise the Destruction of the King and though the words in themselves are not Treason yet as they declare an Intention of Subverting the Laws and Government of the Kingdom they are That Mr. Treasurer swears the words affirmatively and that others did not hear disproves not his Testimony but comparing all together it appears his Intention was to bring in that Army to reduce this Kingdom That His Majesty must not be mastered implyes he must master them and that by the force of others and to compel the Subjects to submit to an Arbitrary Power That nothing was done upon those Councels is no Excuse to him it is an Obligation to the Subjects to Love and Honour the King for rejecting them but yet some things were done which my Lord will never be able to justifie concluding That this was not only Crimen laesae Majestatis but also Reipublicae Mr. Maynard seconded Mr. Whitlock observing That my Lord had taken such a course to weaken the Testimonies that allowing it nothing will be so strong but he will take off the strength of it and that is by taking them in pieces and then saying they are but single Evidence whereas it is Evident that upon all occasions he spoke such words if his Adverbs Candidè Castè must be applyed to what is lawful they were needless and truly he may say it was done Cautè thô not Castè The Case comes to this There was a Parliament Sitting a little before he casts out words about raising Money which must be made good by Adverbs Money must be raised in an Extraordinary way the Parliament is broken a Necessity made and Soldiers must be brought in to make good these wayes take these asunder and my Lord will make it a good Action but taken together they make good the Charge and that though Treason is not in his words but in his wicked Counsels Mr. Glyn took up the Bucklers and added That he had ascended the Throne and by ill Counsels endeavoured to infuse his Venom into the King's Person and to Corrupt the Fountain but
in Charity it is a supposition not to be supposed no nor in Reason that they will go against the Light of their understanding The holiness of their Calling their Knowledge their Freedoms from Passions and Affections to which Youth is very obnoxious their vicinity to the Gates of Death which though not shut to any yet always stand wide open to old Age these My Lords will surely make them Steer aright But of matter of Fact there is no disputation some of them have done ill Crimine ab uno disce omnes is a Poetical not a Logical Argument Some of the Judges have done so some of the Magistrates and Officers and shall there be therefore neither Judge Magistrate nor Officer more A personal Crime goes not beyond the Person that commits it nor can anothers Fault be mine Offence If they have contracted any Filth or Corruption through their own or the Vice of the Times cleanse and purge them thorowly But still remember the great difference between Reformation and Extirpation And be pleased to think of your Triennial Bill which will save you this labour for the time to come fear of punishment will keep them in order if they should not themselves through the love of Vertue I have now My Lords according to my poor Ability both shewed the Conveniences and answered those Inconveniencies that seem to make against them I should now propose those that make for them As their falling into a Condition worse then Slaves not represented by any and then the dangers and inconveniences that may happen to your Lordships but I have done this heretofore and will not offer your Lordships Cramben bis coctam In the Commons House the Affair of the Captives at Algiers fell under debate and produced these following Votes Resolved Votes about the Captives at Algiers c. That his Majesty be moved to send at the Charges of the Merchants some fit person to the Grand Seignior to demand the English Captives in Algiers and other the Turkish Dominions Resolved c. That in some convenient time a Fleet of Twenty Ships and Pinnaces be sent to Algiers to assail the Town and their Ships if the Captives be not delivered upon the demand of them Resolved c. That the Book of Rates being setled One per Cent. be laid upon Trade over and above the Sums in the Book to be collected and imployed by Commissioners to be appointed by the Parliament for this special Vse and continue so long as the Parliament shall think fit A Message was brought to the Lords by Mr. Conference about the Scots Secretary Vane to let their Lordships know that the Select Committee of their House have Reported what was yesterday done at the meeting with the Select Committee of Lords Thereupon the House of Commons having taken the business into Consideration have Resolved c. That the whole Arrear of 120000 l. be presently paid to the Scots out of which the due Debts of the Counties are to be deducted and for the Brotherly assistance of 300000 l. it shall be setled and secured by the Kingdom to them Resolved c. That if the deductions may withdraw more Moneys than the Scots can spare from the Disbanding then the whole 120000 l. shall be allowed them for the Disbanding and the Debt of the Counties be taken upon the Kingdom for the present and be first paid out of the Brotherly assistance Resolved c. That when the Treaty shall be fully Concluded and Publick Faith given for Peace and Security for Mony both the Armies may be Disbanded by degrees as mony shall come in Resolved c. That the Committee shall have power to present these Heads to the Lords Commissioners to treat with the Scots Likewise the House of Commons desired that a meeting might be between the Lords Commissioners and the Scots Commissioners this Afternoon at four of the Clock and propound these Resolutions unto them All which the Lords assented to Saturday May 22. Monday May 24. Money borrowed of the City desired to be continued Votes about the Bishops Bill in the Lords House The greatest part of this day was spent by the Commons in the Debate of the Scottish Articles Fifty Thousand Pounds and Sixty Thousand Pounds formerly lent by the City was this day desired to be continued a Year and a half longer with promise to be repaid out of the four hundred thousand pounds voted to be raised for payment of the debts of the Kingdom The Bill concerning the Bishops was this day Debated in the House of Lords and after a long and serious Debate the House was Reassumed and it was Resolved upon the Question That the Arch-Bishops and Bishops shall have Suffrage and Voice in the House of Peers in Parliament Resolved c. That the Arch-Bishops and Bishops shall not have Suffrage and Voice in the Court of Star-Chamber when they are called Upon the further Debate of the Bill about Bishops it was this day further Resolved c. That no Arch-Bishop or Bishop or other Person in Holy Orders shall be Justices of the Peace Resolved c. That no Arch-Bishop or Bishop nor other Persons in Holy Orders shall be of the Privy Council to the King or to his Successors The Commons fell this day upon consideration of the Customers but before they came to any Vote Mr. Pym made a motion for them offering a Hundred Thousand Pounds composition Tuesday May 25. Customers offer 100000 l. For an Act of Oblivion provided they might have an Act of Oblivion but the proposition being rejected by the House it was Voted Resolved c. That all Collections of any Sums of Mony by colour of Subsidies Imposts or Aids upon any Merchandize whatever not granted by Parliament are against the Law and Liberties of the Subject Resolved c. That all such persons as have Collected any such Sums of Mony under colour of Subsidy Imposts or Aid upon any Merchandise whatever not granted by assent in Parliament are Delinquents The Complaint of the Vintners against Alderman Abel Wednesday May 26. The Vintners Case against Abel and Kilvert and Mr. Kilvert for taking one peny per Quart upon all French Wines and two pence per Quart upon Spanish Wines was this day debated in the House of Commons and upon the Debate voted Illegal and a Bill Ordered to be brought in against the said Alderman Abel and Mr. Kilvert The Customers Sir Paul Pindar The Customers Petition for an Act of Oblivion and to pay 150000 l. in a Month. Sir Abraham Daws Sir John Worstenholm and Sir John Jacob Petitioned the House for an Act of Oblivion whereupon it was Resolved c. That one hundred and fifty thousand pound offered by the Petitioners in satisfaction of their Delinquency to the Common-wealth shall be accepted they paying the Mony within one Month as was expressed in their Petition and an Act of Oblivion to be passed according to certain Limitations made in
existit at quod in Recordo illo in nullo est errat ' Ide◠Consideratum est quod judicium predictum in omnibus affirmetur in omnibus suo robore effectu stet remanet dicta Causa pro Errore superius assignat ' aut allegat ' in aliquo non obstante super quo Record processum predict ' necnon process ' predict ' Curia Parliamenti ibidem in premissis habit ' è predict ' Curia Parliamenti coram Domino Rege ubicunque c. per predict ' Cur ' Parliamenti Remittentur ac predictus Carolus in Curia Domini Regis coram ipso Rege habeat Executionem judicii predicti versus prefatum Thomam juxta formam effectum judicii illius predict ' Breve de Errore super ' inde non obstante Subscribed by the Clerk of the Parliament and delivered to the Defendant in the Writ of Error 29 May 1641. to be remitted into the King's-Bench that Execution may be had upon the Judgment Mr. Monday May 31. Bills for taking away the Court of Sear-Chamber and regulating the Council Board ingrosted Tuesday June 1. Votes about the Petty Farmers of the Customs Prideaux reports the Bill for taking away the Jurisdiction of the Court of Star-Chamber as being contrary to Law and tending to the bringing in of Arbitrary Government as also a Bill for regulating the proceedings of the Council-Board upon which they were ordered to be ingrossed The House fell this day upon the business of the petty Farmers of the Customs Sir Nicholas Crisp Sir John Nulls Sir John Harrison c. and upon the Debate it was Resolved c. That the Petty Farmers of the Customs taking above three pence in the pound of Merchants Strangers and others of the King's Subjects more then by Law allowed is Illegal Resolved month June 1641. c. That the said Petty Farmers for taking above the said three pence in the pound are Delinquents Resolved c. That the said Petty Farmers are for the said offence liable and ought to make restitution Notwithstanding which in favour of Sir John Harrison Resolved That Sir John Harrison a Member of the House in regard of his great service in advancing fourty thousand pounds shall not be prejudiced as to his sitting in the House Sir John Strangeways moved in the behalf of himself and the 59 that Voted against the Bill of Attainder of Thomas Earl of Strafford that there might be some order taken for their security for that they went in fear of their Lives daily affronts and great abuses being put upon them by licentious people who resorted about the Parliament House But these mighty asserters of the Priviledges of Parliament one of the greatest whereof is freedom of Speech and liberty to Vote according to a Man's Conscience thought not fit in this Case to assert their Priviledge but to leave these worthy Gentlemen at the mercy of the Rabble who were by no means to be disobliged there being further occasion to make use of their Tumultuary Insolence in order to their thorough Reformation This day Mr. Tayler presented his Petition Wednesday June 2. desiring to be restored upon his submission but it was rejected A Debate arising about ways for raising of Mony a Motion was made Motion to bring in Plate to be Coined That in regard Mony could not be procured so suddenly as the present necessity of Affairs required there might be some Expedient thought on to bring in the Plate of the Kingdom to the Mint and it was referred to a Committee to consider of it and what way it might be done The Bill for Regulating the Clerks of the Market being Reported Bill for the Clerk of the Market ingrossed Thursday June 3. Report of the Conference with the Lords about the Bishops Bill was Ordered to be Ingrossed Mr. Pierrepoint Reports the Conference with the Lords concerning the Bill for disabling Bishops to Vote in the House of Peers That their Lordships conceive that the Commons understand not unlawfulness to have any Votes there to mean to be contrary to any Law but of convenience or inconvenience because if they had thought it absolutely unlawful they would not have made Exception of the Vniversities and of such of the Nobility as should happen to be in Holy Orders And for the Bishops Right to Sit and Vote in Parliament their Lordships conceive that both by the Common Law Statutes and constant practice there is no question of it As for inconveniencies their Lordships did not yet Vnderstand any such that might induce them to deprive the Bishops and their Successors of the Right of voting in Parliament but if there be such which they yet know not they will be willing to hear them and take it into Consideration For their Votes in the Star-Chamber Council Table or any Office in Secular Affairs they have fully consented to the desires of the Commons Their Lordships have Excepted the Dean of Westminster as being a Corporation confirmed by Act of Parliament Sexto Eliz. As also that of Durham Ely and Hexam and the several Jurisdictions of those Bishops to keep Courts-Baron there by their Stewards c. And all other Courts Executed by Temporal Officers which their Lordships conceive not to be contrary to this Bill After which the Bill for disarming Recusants being reported Bill for Disarming Recusants ingrossed Bill against New Canons Read first time was ordered to be ingrossed Then a Bill for the making void of certain Canons and Constitutions Ecclesiastical lately made and for the punishment of such Prelates and others as were the framers and makers of them was read the first time The House then Entred upon the consideration of the Scottish Articles some of which were assented to Sir Thomas Widdrington reports the Case of Sir John Corbet Friday June 4th Report of Sir John Corbet's Case upon which these Votes passed Resolved c. That the Imposition of 30 l. per annum laid upon the Subjects of the County of Salop for the Muster Masters Fee by the Earl of Bridgwater Lord Lieutenant of that County is an Illegal Charge and against the Petition of Right and that it is high presumption for a Subject to impose any Tax upon the Subject and that the taking it is at Extortion against the Right of the Subject Resolved c. That the Attachment from the Council Board by which Sir John Corbet was committed was an Illegal Warrant Resolved c. That Sir John Corbet ought to have Reparation for his unjust vexation and imprisonment Resolved c. That the Earl of Bridgwater ought to make Sir John Corbet reparation Resolved c. That the House thinks sit that the Attorney General take the Information in the Star-Chamber against Sir John Corbet off the File and that he take some Course that the Bond which he entred into to attend the Suit at the Hearing be delivered unto him Resolved c. That the Lords
the Commons House Thursday June 17. by which it will appear at what a Rate the Reformation was to be purchased when the first Account Run so high  l. It appeared that there was due to the Kings Army The State of the Account of the Armies 462050 There hath been paid to the Kings Army 150000 Rests due to the Kings Army 312050 There is due to the Scottish Army 216750 Due to the Scots for Shipping 4000 Total due to the Scots 220750 There hath been paid to the Scots 105000 Rests due to the Scots 115750 Total due to English and Scots 427800 Brotherly Assistance to be paid presently 80000 To pay this there is in View  Due from the Customers upon Composition 150000 Due from the Petty-Customers Composition 15000 From the City promised to be Lent 40000 Total 205000 To be provided more 302800 Off the Old Subsidies 300000 New Subsidies 400000 Customers 165000 Total raised and to be raised 865000 The Debate about the Poll-Bill was this Day agitated in the House of Commons whereupon it was agreed Friday June 18. That every Duke shall pay 100 pounds Every Marquess 80 pounds Votes and Rates of the Poll-Bill Every Earl 60 pounds Every Viscount 50 pounds Every Lord 40 pounds Every Bishop 60 pounds Every Dean 40 pounds Every Canon Residentiary 20 pounds Every Prebendary 10 pounds Every Rector for 100 l. per annum 5 pounds Every Baronet and Knight of the Bath 30 pounds Every Knight 20 pounds Every Esquire 10 pounds Every Gentleman of 100 l. per annum 5 pounds Aldermen of London the same Rate with Knights And for other Persons all above the Age of 16 Years Except such as receive Alms to pay 12 pence per pole Recusants of all Ranks to pay double Lord Mayor of London 40 pounds Aldermen Knights 20 pounds Aldermen Deputies 15 pounds Common Council men 5 pounds Master and Wardens of the 12 Companies 10 pounds Every one of the Livery 5 pounds Master and Wardens of the other Companies and such as have fined for Master or Wardens 5 pounds Every one of the Livery 50 shillings Every Freeman of the 12 Companies 20 shillings Every Freeman of the other Companies except Porters and Watermen 20 shillings Every Merchant Stranger being a Knight 40 pounds Every Merchant Stranger at Sea 10 pounds At Land 5 pounds English Merchants in Land not Free 5 pounds Factors 40 shillings Handicrafts-men Strangers 2 shillings per pole If House-Keeper or Papist 4 shillings Widows according to the Degrees of their Husbands Serjeants at Law 20 pounds Kings Serjeants 25 pounds King Queen and Princes Council 20 pounds Dr. of Law and Physick 10 pounds If Papists 20 pounds Arch-Deacons 15 pounds Chancellors and Commissaries 15 pounds Every man of 100 pounds 5 pounds Every man of 50 l. per annum 50 shillings Every one that can dispend 20 pounds per annum 5 shillings Saturday June 19. Bill against Pluralities and Non-residence passed the Commons The Bill against Pluralities and Non-Residence was this day read the third time in the Commons House and being passed was carried up to the Lords for their Assent By this Act it was provided That whosoever had two Livings should before the 21 of September next following resign one of them And that if any Clergy-man should be absent at any time 60 days from his Living he should ipso facto forfeit it A Message was brought from the House of Commons by John Hampden Esq The Bill a-against Pluralities brought up to the Lords who brought up a Bill which had passed the House of Commons Entituled An Act against the enjoyment of Pluralities of Benefices by Spiritual Persons and Non-residence And desires that their Lordships would give such dispatch to the Three Bills lately sent up 1. Concerning the Star-Chamber and the Privy Council 2. Concerning the High Commission Court The Third Concerning disarming of Recusants as may stand with their Lordships conveniency Upon which the said Bill was read the first time Bill against Ship-Money read a second time The Bill of Tonnage and Poundage passed the Lords House The Bill against Ship-mony was also read a second time This day was read the third time the Bill Entituled An Act of a Subsidy granted to the King of Tonnage and Poundage and other Sums of Mony payable upon Merchandzie Exported and Imported And being put to the Question it was Resolved Nemine Contradicente to pass as a Law and the L. Great Chamberlain L. Steward L. Chamberlain E. Holland were appointed from this House to move his Maiesty to appoint a time to give his Royal Assent This day Colonel Goring was again Examined by the House upon several Interrogatories Monday June 21. Goring further Examined upon which he deposed That Sir John Suckling first told him of that design about the middle of Lent last and that afterwards meeting with Mr. Jermyn he desired that he would meet him at White-hill on the Queens side for that he was to speak with her Majesty and would confer with him concerning the Army where meeting at the Queens drawing Chamber her Majesty told him the King would speak with him whereupon meeting with the King his Majesty told him that he was minded to set his Army into a good Posture being advised thereto by my Lord of Bristol as he said and his Majesty then commanded him to joyn with Mr. Percy and some others in that business Now because hereafter when the Faction flew out into open Rebellion they did endeavour to improve this into a scandal against the King as if he were in the design to bring up the Army against the Parliament thereby to render him odious to his Subjects and especially the Nonconformists who made the House of Commons their great Idol the Reader is desired to compare this Passage of Goring's Deposition wherein he tacitly seems to bring the King in as the Author of his entring into the Confederacy whereas in that first confession of his he gives an account that he fell in among them upon the account of the Discourse of endeavouring the redress of the Grievances of the Army and that thereupon finding them full of discontents and as he thought entring upon Resolutions of dangerous Consequence to the Common-wealth and his Majesties safety he continued his Correspondency with them and took the Oath of Secrecy purposely with an intention to disclose the matters and discover them to the Parliament in proof of which original intention of his Confederating with them he tells us He had before-hand provided for his own security by imparting the matter to some great Lords telling them that in a little time he should have occasion as he thought to acquaint them further with some things of great importance The House was this day Resolved into a Grand Committee of the whole House upon the Debate of the Root and Branch Bill Monday June 21. upon which occasion Sir Edward Deering made this following Speech as I find
Interpreters both Antient and Later expounded to be the Bishops of those Cities 6. Eusebius and other Ecclesiastical Writers affirm none contradicting them that the Apostles themselves chose James Bishop of Jerusalem and that in all the Apostolique Sees there succeeded Bishops which continued in all the Christian World and no other Government heard of in the Church for 1500 Years and more then by the Bishops and the Canons of Councils both General and Provincial which consisted of Bishops 7. That so many Acts of Parliament and Laws of the Kingdom and Statutes of Colledges of both Vniversities have relation to Bishops that the removing of them especially there having been never no other Government settled in this Kingdom will breed and make Confusion and no Reformation but rather a Deformation in the Church yet it were to be wished That in some things our Government might be reduced to the Constitutions and Practice of the Primitive Church especially in these Particulars 1. That Bishops did ordinarily and constantly Preach either in the Metropolitan Church or in the Parochial Church in their Visitations 2. That they might not Ordain any Ministers without the Consent of 3. or 4. at the least Grave and Learned Presbyters 3. That they might not suspend any Minister ab Officio et Beneficio at their Pleasures by their sole Authority but only with a necessary Consent of some Assistants and that for such Causes and Crimes only as the ancient Canons or the Laws of the Kingdom appointed 4. That none may be Excommunicated but by the Bishop himself with the Consent of the Pastor whose Parish the Delinquent dwelleth in and that for heynous and scandalous Crimes joyned with obstinate and wilful Contempts of the Churches Authority and that for non-Appearances or Ordinances upon ordinary occasions some Lesser punishments might be inflicted and that approved by Law 5. That Bishops might not demand Benevolence for the Clergy nor exact Allowance for their Dyet at the Visitations nor suffer their Servants to exact undue Fees at Ordinations and Institutions 6. That Bishops and Chancellors and Officials may be subject to the Censures of Provincial Synods and Convocations A Bill was Read the first and second time for the speedy raising Mony for Disbanding the Armies Tuesday June 22. Disbanding Bill read twice and Committed to a Committee of the whole House A most Excellent Petition from the University of Oxon for the retaining and Establishing of Episcopacy but alas they did but surdis Canere these Serpents were not to be charmed by their Sovereign much less by the Muses though they could have charmed ten thousand times more powerfully and wisely than they did However it will be for their Immortal Glory That in the worst of Times and even when the Storm was in its most blustring Rage they durst oppose the Tempest and Defend the Truth The Petition was as follows To the High and Honourable Court of Parliament The Humble Petition of the University of Oxford Sheweth THAT whereas the Vniversity hath been informed of several Petitions concerning the present Government of this Church The Petition of the University of Oxon for Episcopacy June 22. 1641. and maintenance of the Clergy which have of late been exhibited to this Honourable Assembly We could not but think our Selves bound in Duty to God and this whole Nation in charity to our Selves and Successors who have and are like to have more than ordinary interest in any Resolution that shall be taken concerning Church-Affairs in all humility to desire the continuance of that Form of Government which is now Established here and hath been preserved in some of the Eastern and Western Churches in a continued Succession of Bishops down from the very Apostles to this present time the like whereof cannot be affirmed of any other Form of Government in any Church Upon which Consideration and such other Motives as have been already represented to this Honourable Parliament from other Persons and Places with whom we concur in behalf of Episcopacy We earnestly desire That you would Protect that Ancient and Apostolical Order from Ruine or Diminution And become farther Suiters for the Continuance of those Pious Foundations of Cathedral Churches with their Lands and Revenues As dedicate to the Service and Honour of God soon after the plantation of Christianity in the English Nation As thought fit and Useful to be preserved for that end when the Nurseries of Superstition were demolished and so continued in the last and best Times since the Blessed Reformation under King Edw. 6. Q. Elizabeth and King James Princes Renowned through the World for their Piety and Wisdome As approved and confirmed by the Laws of this Land Ancient and Modern As the principal outward Motive and Encouragement of all Students especially in Divinity and the fittest Reward of some deep and eminent Scholars As producing or nourishing in all Ages many Godly and Learned Men who have most strongly asserted the Truth of that Religion we profess against the many fierce Oppositions of our Adversaries of Rome As affording a competent Portion in an ingenuous way to many Younger Brothers of good Parentage who devote themselves to the Ministery of the Gospel As the only means of Subsistence to a multitude of Officers and other Ministers who with their Families depend upon them and are wholly maintained by them As the main Authors or Upholders of divers Schools Hospitals High-wayes Bridges and other Publique and Pious Works As special Causes of much Profit and Advantage to those Cities where they are situate not only by relieving their Poor and keeping convenient Hospitality but by occasioning a frequent resort of Strangers from other Parts to the great benefit of all Tradesmen and most Inhabitants in those places As the goodly Monuments of our Predecessors Piety and present Honour of this Kingdom in the Eye of Forreign Nations As the chief Support of many Thousand Families of the Laity who enjoy fair Estates from them in a free way As yielding a constant and ample Revenue to the Crown And as by which many of the Learned Professours in our Vniversity are maintained The Subversion or Alienation whereof must as we conceive not only be attended with such consequences as will redound to the scandal of many well affected to our Religion but open the mouths of our Adversaries and of Posterity against us and is likely in time to draw after it harder conditions upon a considerable part of the Laity an universal cheapness and contempt upon the Clergy a lamentable drooping and defection of Industry and Knowledg in the Vniversities which is easie to foresee but will be hard to remedy May it therefore please this Honourable Assembly upon these and such other Considerations as Your great Wisdomes shall suggest to take such Pious Care for the Continuance of these Religious Houses and their Revenues according to the best Intentions of their Founders as may be to the most furtherance of God's Glory and Service the Honour
Members and Assistants of this House as they shall nominate may be Examined Whereupon it was Ordered That this House will joyn with the House of Commons in this Message Ordered That the same deputed Lords do take the Examination of Witnesses upon Oath in the Cause concerning the Arch-Bishop of Canterbury as were deputed in the Earl of Strafford 's and the same Oath to be Administred and the same Course to be observed in the rest of the Particulars Ordered That the now Earl of Bedford shall be added to the Deputed Lords in his Father's room and Mr. Attorney General and Mr. Serjeant Glanvile are appointed to write down the Examinations This afternoon A standing Order of the House it being a considerable time before there were Forty Members to make a House it was Ordered That so soon as the House Sits and that the Serjeant comes to any Committee then Sitting to signifie to them that the House is Sitting that the Chair-man shall immediately come away to attend the Service of the House Ordered That the Committee for the Bishop of Bath and Wells sit to morrow in the Afternoon at Two of the Clock in the Dutchy Chamber The Case of one Mr. Smith a Minister Votes in the Case of Mr. Smith a suspended Minister formerly suspended by Sir John Lamb being reported to the House it was Resolved c. That Mr. Smith was illegally suspended by Sir John Lamb and that Sir John Lamb ought to give him reparation and satisfaction for his damages sustain'd by that Suspension Mr. Hide reports the Articles against Sir John Bramston Knight Mr. Hide Reports the Articles against Lord Chief Justice Bramston The Controversy between the Lord Major and Commonalty of London about Election of one Sheriff heard Lord Chief Justice of the King's-Bench All which being singly Voted together with the Title were ordered to be ingrossed in order to their being carried up to the Lords Upon the opening of the Cause between the Lord Mayor and Aldermen and the Commonalty of London concerning the Election of one of the Sheriffs which formerly hath been chosen by the Lord Mayor and presented to the Commonalty on Midsummer-day for their Confirmation and likewise the differences concerning the Nomination and Election of other Officers now in question between the said Lord Mayor and the Commonalty the Lord Mayor alledging the said Sheriff and Officers to be Nominated and Confirmed by him according to the constant practice of the said City for 300 years last past without any contradiction or gain-saying But the Commonalty alledging on the behalf of the Commons that they had interest in the said Nomination and Elections It was thereupon Ordered by the Lords in Parliament That the said Lord Mayor shall call a Common-Hall on Friday 2 July 1641. Which Common-Hall is to consist of the Masters and Wardens and Livery-men of the several Companies of London and no other And that the Commonalty are then to Assemble in a peaceable and quiet manner to settle and compose the Dfferences between the said Lord Mayor and themselves if they can if not then to make choice of Six discreet persons of the said Commonalty to treat and debate this business between them and settle and compose all differences among themselves between this and Friday come seven-night being the Ninth of July 1641. But in case the said Differences cannot be composed then the pleasure of the House is that the said Cause shall be heard in open House at the Bar on the said Ninth of July And that in the mean time the said Persons so chosen as aforesaid shall have free liberty by themselves their Council and others that they shall employ to View and Transcribe such and so much of the Charters of the said City Acts of Common Council Books of Entries of Elections and Accompts and all such other Acts and Records as shall or may concernt the said Causes in Question and that all Clerks and others in whose Custody the said Instruments are shall be assisting to the said Searchers And lastly that if the Cause shall come before the Lords in Parliament that then the said six Persons so chosen as aforesaid shall attend the same before their Lordships Thus Early did the Faction grasp at every thing of Power and Authority and the Common-Halls indeavouring to divert the Lord Mayor of his Priviledges was but a fore-runner that the House of Commons would do the same and set up the Popular Authority above that of their Soveraign Lord the King of whom the Lord Mayor was the immediate Representative Then the Earl of Bristol Reported to the House The Earl of Bristol's Report of the Scots Commissioners Answer about the staying the Kings Journey June 29. 1641. That the Lords Commissioners had met with the Commissioners of Scotland and delivered unto them the Paper concerning the time of his Majesties Journey into Scotland Which was read in haec verba Viz. His Majesty hath Commanded us to let you know That whereas he hath been Petitioned by both Houses of Parliament for some stay of his Journey to Scotland until the Armies be Disbanded and that divers other things for the Peace and Good of this Kingdom be setled And whereas his Majesty doth acknowledg himself ingaged by his Promise and by his Letters as likewise by his late Proclamation declaring his Resolution to be present at the Holding of the Parliament in Scotland at the day in the Proclamation limited his Majesty being desirous to give Satisfaction to the Parliaments of both Kingdoms hath Commanded Us to declare unto you the Desire of the Parliament of England and to Treat with you how his Going may be best Fitted and Accommodated to the Convenience of both Kingdoms and the Desire of both Parliaments Then was read the Scottish Commissioners Answer hereunto which follows We do with all Thankfulness acknowledg his Majesties Royal and Tender Care of Settling the Affairs of his Ancient and Native Kingdome of Scotland and the Constancy of his Resolution according to his Royal Promise and Proclamation to be present at the Day appointed Our Affection also toward the Settling of the Affairs of England and the Desires of the Houses of Parliament that his Majesties Journey to Scotland may be stayed for some time to that Effect do so far prevail with us that we shall deal most Earnestly with the Parliament of Scotland That they Adjourn their Meeting till the 5th of August or if they shall find that a new Adjournment of the Parliament after so many Prorogations be so prejudicial to the present Condition of the Affairs of that Kingdom that it cannot be granted We will Endeavour That they may in their Meetings be only Exercised in preparing Matters for the Parliament and that they determine nothing nor make any Act till the day Designed for his Majesties coming But withall we must signifie That the present Constitution of that Kingdom for want of Councel Session and other Courts of
Clerks under his Hand they could not judg of it till they had resorted to his Book where their Orders and their Votes are entred month July 1641. where they found their Votes concerning their late Protestation taken both by your Lordships and them and they found the contents of this Paper to agree in terminis with what is entred in their Clerks Book Then they called to mind what had passed in the House upon that occasion when those resolutions of theirs were Voted How they had considered of that Protestation that it bound all men to defend the Religion here Established c. This they conceived to be a true Test of every good Subject a Shibboleth to distinguish the Ephramites from the Gileadites that whosoever was well affected in Religion and to the good of the Common-wealth would make this Protestation and on the other side who would not make it was not well affected And such a man they held it their duties in discharge of the trust reposed in them by the whole Body of the Kingdom all the Commons of England who have sent them out as so many Sentinels to watch for them to give them notice of the good or the evil Friends or Enemies coming towards them they held it I say their duties to declare their Opinions that such a Man was not their Friend was unfit to bear Office either in Church or State and therefore they passed this Vote that it is a thing fit and necessary to be done by them and for such they do avow it And besides they thought it fit to give an account to those who had employed them the several Counties and Burroughs that sent them to give them a mark by which they might know who were good men lovers of their Countrey fit to be intrusted with Offices with the oversight of any part of Church or State and therefore they gave order this Vote should be sent down unto all the parts of this Kingdom And lastly that it might be done speedily and not stay the Writing out of so many Copies they gave order it should be Printed and be attested under the Clerks Hand with order c. The Copies of which three orders your Lordships have in this Printed Paper which the Commons assembled in Parliament have Commanded me to signifie unto your Lordships and that the passing of these Votes they do own they do avow they do justifie Mr. Serjeant Wild Reports from the Committee for the Impeachment of the Bishops for the New Canons c. But the further consideration of it was deferred till the next day and the House entred upon the further Debate of the Bill for abolishing Episcopacy Two Private Bills one for Mr. Byarley the other for Sir Alexander Denton were passed the House of Lords this Day Then a Letter dated the 27th of _____ 1641 was read Exceptions taken at a Letter from the Speaker of the Lords House in Ireland to the Speaker of the Lords House in England sent from the Speaker of the Lords House in Ireland to the Speaker of the Lords House in England and because the House conceived this Letter entrenched upon the Jurisdiction and Priviledge of this House therefore it is Ordered That the L Chamberlain E. March and E. Bristol Viscount Say and Seal do attend the King and shew him this Letter and desire him from this House that he will be pleased to make stay of the passing of those Acts of Grace and Favor that are in Treaty concerning the Kingdom of Ireland until this Business be determined in this House and further humbly to desire that the Levying of the 14 thousand Soldiers in Ireland may be stayed if it be not already done Then these Lords L. Privy Seal E. Bath E. Southampton Episcopus Lincoln were appointed to have power from this House to search Records Wednesday August 5. and Presidents concerning Ireland's dependency upon this Kingdom and to report the same to this House The House of Commons was informed that the E. of Warwick hath paid the Scots 50000 l. and will have to morrow 52300 l. more ready for them which is all the Arrear that is due to them Serjeant Wild Reports the remaining part of the impeachment of the Bishops concerning the New Canons which being read and assented to was immediately engrossed and by him sent up to the Lords where he delivered it in this manner at the Bar of the Lords House My Lords THe Knights The Impeachment of the Bishops for the New Canons Oath Aug. 4. 1641. Citizens and Burgesses of the Commons House of Parliament being sensible of the great infelicities and troubles which the Common-wealth hath sustained by the exorbitant courses of the Bishops and knowing well that the Wise man saith That if Sentence be not speedily executed against an evil Work the Hearts of the Sons of Men are set upon further mischief The timely redress whereof doth better become the Wisdom of Parliament then a too late woful repentance have commanded me to represent unto your Lordships That Walter Bishop of Winchester Robert Bishop of Coventrey and Lichfield Godrey Bishop of Gloucester Joseph Bishop of Exceter John Bishop of Asaph William Bishop of Bath and Wells George Bishop of Hereford Matthew Bishop of Ely William Bishop of Bangor Robert Bishop of Bristol John Bishop of Rochester John Bishop of Peterborough Morgan Bishop of Landaff together with William Arch-Bishop of Canterbury and others of the Clergy of that Province at a Convocation or Synod for the same Province begun at London in the year 1640 did contrive make and promulge several Constitutions and Canons Ecclesiastical containing in them divers matters contrary to the Kings Prerogative To the Fundamental Laws and Statutes of the Realm To the Rights of Parliament To the Propriety and Liberty of the Subjects and matters tending to Sedition and of dangerous consequence And to add the more weight and efficacy to this their monstrous design They did at the same Synod under a Specious and fair Title grant a Benevolence or Contribution to His Majesty to be paid by the Clergy of that Province contrary to Law It rested not there for though this had been enough to have affrighted and terrified the Kings People with strange apprehensions and fears yet that these might not seem to be contrivances of the Brain or Fancies only they were put in execution and were executed upon divers with animosity and rigour to the great oppression of the Clergy of this Realm and other His Majesties Subjects and in contempt of the King and of the Law Whether these Persons my Lords that are culpable of these offences shall be thought fit to have an Interest in the Legislative power your Lordships wisdom and justice is able to judg But for these matters and things the Knights Citizens and Burgesses of the Commons House in Parliament in the name of themselves and of all the Commons of England do Impeach the said Bishops before named of the Crime
Parliament Assembled not for any Doubt or Ambiguity which may be conceived or thought of for or concerning the Premisses nor of the ensuing Questions But for the manifestation and declaration of the Clear Truth and of the said Laws and Statutes already planted and for many Ages past settled in this Kingdom the said Knights Citizens and Burgesses do therefore pray That the House of the Lords may be pleased to Command the Judges of this Kingdom forthwith to declare in Writing their Resolutions of and unto the ensuing Questions and subscribe to the same Quest 1. WHether the Subjects of this Kingdom be a Free People and to be Governed only by the Common Laws of England and Statutes of Force in this Kingdom 2. Whether the Judges of this Land do take the Oath of Judges And if so Whether under pretext of any Act of State Proclamation Writ Letter or Direction under the Great or Privy Seal or Privy Signet or Letter or other Commandment from the Lord Lieutenant Lord Deputy Justice Justices or other Governor or Governors of this Kingdom they may hinder stay or delay the Suit of any Subject or his Judgment or Execution thereupon If so in what Cases And whether if they do hinder stay or delay such Suit Judgment or Execution thereupon what Punishment did they incur for their deviation or transgression therein 3. Whether the Kings Majesties Privy Council either with the Chief Governor or Governors of this Kingdom or without him or them be a Place of Judicature by the Common Laws and wherein Causes between Party and Party for Debts Trespasses Accompts Possessions or Title of Lands or any of them And which of them may be heard and determined and of what Civil Causes they have Jurisdiction and by what Law And of what Force is their Order or Decree in such Cases or any of them 4. The Like of the Chief Governor alone 5. Whether Grants of Monopolies be warranted by the Law and of what and in what Cases and how and where and by whom are the pretended Transgressors against such Grants punishable and whether by Fine Mutilation of Members Imprisonment Loss and Forfeiture of Goods or otherwise and which of them 6. In what Cases the Lord Lieutenant Lord Deputy or other Chief Governor or Governors of this Kingdom and Council may punish by Fine Imprisonment Mutilation of Members Pillory or otherwise And whether they may Sentence any to such the same or the like punishment for infringing the Commands of or concerning any Proclamation of and concerning Monopolies and what punishment do they incur that Vote for them 7. Of what Force is an Act of State or Proclamation in this Kingdom to bind the Liberties Goods Possessions or Inheritance of the Natives thereof whether or any of them can alter the Common Law or the Infringers of them loose their Goods Chattels or Leases or forfeit the same by Infringing any such Act of State or Proclamation or both And what punishment do the sworn Judges of the Law that are Privy Councellors incur that Vote for such Act and Execution thereof 8. Are the Subjects of this Kingdom subject to the Martial Law And whether any man in time of Peace no Enemy being in the Field with Banners displayed can be Sentenced to death If so by whom and in what Cases If not What Punishments do they incur that in time of Peace execute Martial Law 9. Whether Voluntary Oaths taken freely before Arbitrators for Affirmance or Disaffirmance of any thing or for the true performance of any thing be punishable in the Castle-Chamber or any other Court and why and wherefore 10. Why and by what Law or by what Rule of Policy is it that none is admitted to Reducement of Fines or other Penalties in the Castle-Chamber or Council Table untill he confess the Offence for which he is Censured when as Revera he might be innocent thereof tho suborned Proofs or Circumstances might induce the Censure 11. Whether the Judges of the Kings-Bench or any other Judge of Gaol-Delivery or of any other Court and by what Law do or can deny Copies of Indictment of Felony or Treason to the Parties accused contrary to Law 12. What Power have the Barons of the Court of Exchequer to raise the Respite of Homage arbitrarily to what Rate they please to what Value they may raise it by what Law they may distinguish between the Respit of Homage upon the diversity of the true value of the Fees when as Escuage is the same for great and small Fees and are apportionable by Parliament 13. Whether it be Censurable in the Subjects of this Kingdom to repair into England to appeal to his Majesty for Redress of Injuries or other Lawful Occasions If so why and in what Condition of Persons and by what Law 14. Whether Deans or other Dignitaries of Cathedral Churches be properly and de Mero jure Donative by the King and not Elective or Collative If so Why and by what Law And whether the Confirmation of a Dean de Facto of the Bishops Grant be good or valid in Law or no If not by what Law 15. Whether the issuing of Quo Warranto's out of the Kings-Bench or Exchequer against Boroughs that antiently and recently sent Burgesses to the Parliament to shew Cause why they sent Burgesses to the Parliament be Legal If not what punishment ought to be inflicted upon those that are or have been the Occasioners Procurers and Judges of and in such Quo Warranto's 16. By what Law are Jurors that give Verdict according to their Conscience and are the sole Judges of the Fact Censured in the Castle-Chamber in great Fines and sometime Pillored with loss of Ears and bored through the Tongue and marked sometimes in the Forehead with an Hot Iron and other like Infamous Punishments 17. By what Law are men Censurable in the Castle-Chamber with the Mutilation of Members or any other Brand of Infamy and in what Cases and what punishment in each Case there is due without Respect to the quality of the Person or Persons 18. Whether in the Censure in the Castle-Chamber Regard be to be had to the words of the Great Charter viz. Salvo Contenemento c. 19. Whether if one that steals a Sheep or commits any other Felony and after flyeth the Course of Justice or lyeth in Woods or Mountains upon his keeping be a Traytor If not whether a Proclamation can make him so 20. Whether the Testimony or Evidence of Rebels Traytors Protected Thieves or other infamous Persons be good Evidence in Law to be pressed upon the Tryals of Men for their Lives or whether the Judge or Jurors ought to be Judge of the matter in Fact 21. By what Law are Fairs and Markets to be held in Capite when no other express Tenure is mentioned in his Majesties Letters Patents or Grants of the same Fairs and Markets Altho the Rent or Yearly Sum be reserved thereout 22. Whether it stands with the Integrity of the
come in further Agitation and discussion in this Honourable House 9. Lastly The Judges Opinions are not usually call'd upon in Parliament but when upon Debate great and difficult Points in Law do arise where this most Honourable doth think fit to Command their Opinions but no Resolutions do belong unto the said Judges in Parliament but unto your Lordships yet in the Front and Preamble of the said Questions the Resolution of the said Questions by the Judges is forthwith desired to be required by your Lordships in Writing Although the first Question Viz. Whether the Subjects of this Kingdom c. be positively resolved by the Preamble to the said Questions in which it is likewise declared That the said Judges Answers thereunto are not desired For any Doubt or Ambiguity which may be conceived or thought of for or concerning the Premisses nor of the said Questions but for Manifestation and Declaration of a clear Truth and of the Laws and Statutes already planted and setled in this Kingdom And they conceive it is impossible to make any Manifestation or Declaration of Law or Statutes which may hold or be useful upon such general Questions as most of these are namely by what Laws in what Cases of what Power of what Force How Where and Why by Whom Wherefore what punishment by what Rule of Policy in what Condition of Persons In regard that the next succeeding Judges may be of another Opinion and that a Circumstance may alter the Reason of the Law in many particular Cases which the Wit of Man is not able to foresee or give a general Rule in And they say That to give any satisfaction to your Lordships or the Honourable House of Commons would make up a great Volume and require far more time then your Lordships have afforded unto the said Judges considering their great Toyl in the Circuits the last long Vacation their other Employments in the Common-wealth at their daily Attendance on your Lordships in Parliaments and in ordering Courts of Justice and yet lest they may seem to come any way short in performance of that Duty which they confess to be due unto your Lordships or be wanting in promoting and advancing the Good of the Common-wealth which they believe to be aimed at by the said Questions though it may seem to draw Damage or Prejudice upon their Particulars They do in all humbleness present unto your Lordships the ensuing Answers unto the said Questions which is as much as by their Oaths or in their Duty they owe unto His Sacred Majesty before his Princely pleasure be therein signified they can answer thereunto TO the First they Answer That the Subjects of this Kingdom are a Free People and are for the general to be Govern'd only by the Common Laws of England and Statutes of Force in this Kingdom yet they say That as in England many Statutes are grown obsolete and out of use and some particular Ancient Laws as well in Criminal as Civil Causes have been changed by Interpretation of the Judges there as they found it most agreeable for the general Good of the Common-wealth and as the Times did require it so our Predecessors the Judges of this Kingdom as the Necessity of the Times did move them did declare the Law in some particular Cases otherwise then the same is practised in England which the now Judges cannot alter without apparent diminution of a great part of His Majesties standing Revenue and opening a Gap for the shaking and questioning the Estates of many of His Majesties Subjects and the overthrowing of several Judgments Orders and Decrees which depend thereupon For Example If it be found by Office of Record sufficient for Form That a Man was killed in actual Rebellion and at the time of his Death he was seised of Lands Hereditaments Goods or Chattels by the constant Declaration of Law and Practise in former times here the Crown was Intitled to such Lands Goods and Chattels and many Mens Estates depend thereupon and yet the Law is not so taken in England So If one or more commit Felony and then stand out upon his or their keeping and he or they will not submit themselves to be tryed by the Law but being in that Case do rob or spoil and terrifie His Majesties People whereby the Country is disquieted This by the constant Opinion of our Predecessors in this Kingdom hath been adjudged a Levying of War within the Statute of 25 E. 3. and so consequently Treason Also by the common received Opinion and Practice of this Kingdom the Wife is to have a Third of all the Goods and Chattels and Credits of her Husband the Debts being paid although he dispose of all by his Will from her And yet the constant Practise is otherwise in England And other Instances of that kind might be made so that that word Only must receive a benign Exposition before the first Question can receive a general Answer in the Affirmative Secondly Many Causes of great Weight and Consequence in this Kingdom are to be Decreed and Ordered by Equity in the proper Courts of Equity and in Course of State at the Council Board and by particular Customes not contrary to Law for which the Common Law and Statutes of Force in this Kingdom gave no Remedy Thirdly There are several other Laws of Force in England and Ireland so far as they have been received which though some would have to be part of the Common Law of England yet we find them particularly distinguished from it in our Printed Books and Parliament Rolls in England As Lex Consuetudo Parliamenti jura Belli Ecclesiastical or Canon Law in certain Cases Civil Law in some Cases not only in Ecclesiastical Courts but in the Courts of Constable and Marshal and of the Admiralty and upon particular occasions in other Courts Lex Mercatoria c. 2. To the Second they say That the Judges of this Kingdom do take the Oath of Judges which Oath is specified amongst the Statutes in 18 E. 3. And is afterwards explained by the Stat. of 20 E. 3. And that they may not stay hinder or delay the Suit of any Subject or his Judgment or Execution thereupon otherwise than according to the Law and Course of the Court when they Sit under pretence of any Act of State Proclamation Writ Letter or Direction under the Great or Privy Seal or Privy Signet or Letter or other Commandment Lord Lieutenant Lord Deputy Justice Justices or other Chief Governors of this Kingdom most of which doth appear by their Oath expressed in the Statutes and the Statute of 20 E. 3. c. 8. And the Statute of 20 E. 3. c. 2. as to the Barons of the Exchequer And that as they know no Punishments due to Judges for their Deviations and Transgressions without other Aggravation so they know no punishment laid down by any Law against them for their Deviations and Transgressions in hindering staying or delaying of Justice contrary to their said Oath
according to the Command thereof upon due and convenient notice thereof given to him at the Charge of the Party or Parties who requireth or procureth such Writ or Writs and upon Security by his or their own Bond or Bonds given to pay the Charge of carrying back the Prisoner or Prisoners if he or they shall be commanded by the Court to which he or they shall be brought as in like Cases has been used such Charges of bringing up and carrying back the Prisoner or Prisoners to be always ordered by the Court if any Difference shall arise there about bringing or cause to be brought the Body or Bodies of the said Party or Parties so committed or restrained unto and before the Judges and Justices of the said Court from whence the same Writ or Writs shall issue in open Court and shall then likewise certify the true Cause of such his or their Deteinors or Imprisonment and thereupon the Court after such Return made and delivered in open Court shall proceed to examine and determine whether the Cause of such Commitment appearing upon the said Return be just and legal or not and shall thereupon do what to Justice shall appertain either by Delivering Bailing or remanding the Prisoner or Prisoners 7. Quest Of what Force is an Act of State or Proclamation in this Kingdom to bind the Liberty Goods Possessions or Inheritance of the Natives thereof whether they or any of them can alter the Common Law or the Infringers of them loose their Goods Chattels or Leases or forfeit the same by Infringing any such Act of State Proclamation or both And what punishment do the sworn Judges of the Law that are Privy Councellors incur that Vote for such Acts and Execution thereof Declarat An Act of State or Proclamation in this Kingdom cannot bind the Liberty Inheritance Possession or Goods of the Subjects of the said Kingdom nor alter the Common Law and the Infringers of any such Act of State or Proclamation ought not to forfeit Lands Leases Goods or Chattels for the infringing of any such Act of State or Proclamation and the Judges of the Law who do vote for such Acts of State or Proclamation are punishable as Breakers and Violators of their Oaths of Judges 8. Quest Are the Subjects of this Kingdom subject to the Martial Law And whether any man in the time of Peace no Enemy being in the Field with Banners displayed can be Sentenced to death If so by whom and in what Cases If not What Punishments do they incur that in time of Peace execute Martial Law Declarat No Subject of this Kingdom ought to be Sentenced to Death or Executed by Marshal Law in time of Peace and if any Subject be so Sentenced or Executed by Marshal Law in time of Peace the Authors and Actors of any such Sentence or Execution are punishable by the Law of the Land for their so doing as Doers of their own Wrong and contrary to the said Law of the Land 9. Quest Whether Volantary Oaths taken freely before Arbitrators for Affirmance or Disaffirmance of any thing or for the true performance of any thing be punishable in the Castle-Chamber or any other Court and why and wherefore Declarat No Man ought to be punished in the Castle-Chamber or any other Court for taking a Voluntary Oath before Arbitrators for affirmance or disaffirmance of any Thing or the true Performance of any thing in Civil Causes nor are the Arbitrators before such Voluntary Oath shall be taken Punishble 10. Quest Why and by what Law or by what Rule of Policy is it that none is admitted to Reducement of Fines and other Penalty in the Castle-Chamber or Council Table untill he confess the Offence for which he is Censured when as Revera he might be innocent thereof tho suborned Proofs or Circumstance might induce a Censure Declarat By the Laws and Statutes of the Realm no Man is bound or ought to be compelled to acknowledg the Offence laid to his Charge or the justness of any Censure past against him in the Castle-Chamber or at the Council Table nor ought to be deteined in Prison or abridged of his Liberty or the Reducement of his Fine stayed or delayed until he doth acknowledg such Offence or the justness of such Censure And it is further declared That no such inforced or wrested Confession or Acknowledgment can or ought to debar or hinder any Subject from his Bill of Reversal or Review of any Sentence or Decree past or conceived against him in the Castle-Chamber or in any other Court 11. Quest Whether the Judges of the Kings-Bench or any other Judges of Goal-Delivery or of any other Court and by what Law do or can deny the Copies of Indictments of Felony or Treason to the Parties accused contrary to the Law Declarat The Judges of the Kings-Bench or Justices of Goal-Delivery or the Judges of any other Court ought not to deny Copies of Indictments of Felony or Treason to the Parties indicted 12. Quest What Power have the Barons of the Court of Exchequer to raise the Respite of Homage arbitrarily to what Rate they please to what Value they may raise it by what Law they distinguish between the Respit of Homage upon the diversity of the true value of the Fees when as Escuage is the same for great and small Fees and are apportionable by Parliament Declarat The Barons of the Exchequer ought to raise the Respite of Homage above the usual Rates appearing in and by the Course and Precedents of the Court continued until the year of our Lord God 1637 and the raising thereof since that time was Arbitrary and against the Law And the Barons of the Exchequer ought not to distinguish between the Respite of Homage upon any diversity of the true values of the Knight's Fees 13. Quest Whether it be Censurable in the Subjects of this Kingdom to repair into England to appeal to his Majesty for Redress of Injuries or for other Lawful Occasions If so for why and in what Condition of Persons and by what Law Declarat The Subjects of this Kingdom may lawfully repair into England to appeal to his Majesty for Redress of Injuries and for other their Lawful Occasions and for their so doing ought not to be punished or questioned upon the Statute of 5 R. 2. nor by any other Law or Statute of Force in this Kingdom eminent Officers and Ministers of State Commanders and Soldiers of his Majesties Army the Judges and Ministers of his Majesties Courts of Justice and of his Highness Revenue and Customs whose Attendance is necessarily requisite by the Laws and Statutes of the Realm only excepted 14. Quest Whether Deans or other Dignitaries of Cathedral Churches be properly and de Mero jure Donative by the King and not Elective or Collative If so Why and by what Law And whether the Confirmation of a Dean de Facto of the Bishops Grant be good or valid in Law and no If not by what Law
and Boats they have to Transport Men in and what Number of Men they are able to send over if need he and they find that they are able to Land a considerable number of Men in the North of Ireland and that with more speed and less charge then it can be done from any other part of the Kings Dominions and their Highlanders are conceived proper to fight with the Irish in their own Kind and Country amongst Hills and Boggs An Information was given in by one Col. Hunkes That two disbanded Troopers Moor and Mac-Miller had listed about 40 Men who were lodged near the Iron Gate of the Tower in St. Katharines and that one Bourk an Irish-man of Lincolns-Inn paid them 14 d. per diem that according to the Order of the House he had taken care to disarm them Whereupon Bourk being sent for and Examined confessed that he was an Irish-man and a Roman Catholique That he did this to advance his Fortunes being to Command them in the Service of the King of Spain against Portugal That he received Money from the Spanish Ambassador to pay them and that he did it upon the Order of the House of Commons dated the 26th of October last which gave Licence to Transport the disbanded Soldiers It appearing to the Lords that the Order did Expresly prohibit the Transporting of any of the Kings Subjects Natives of England or Ireland Bourk was committed to the Custody of the Gentleman Usher during the Pleasure of the House Moor and Mac-Miller were for a former misdemeanor in abusing the Lord General Sir John Conyers and assaulting and sending a Challenge to one Captain Trist committed before to Newgate Hereupon Order was sent to the Constable of the Tower to keep diligent Watch for the Safeguard of it The Justices of the Peace for Middlesex and the City of Westminster were also Ordered to make speedy and diligent search in and about the Suburbs of London and Westminster What Irish are residing in their several Jurisdictions and to cause their Names to be taken and return them into this House and to cause strong and good Guards to be set upon such as they find to be dangerous and suspected Persons untill the pleasure of this House be further known Directed To William Roberts John Hooker and Thomas Shepherd Justices of the Peace for Middlesex Upon the reading the Petition of the Bishops that are Impeached Council assigned to the Impeached Bishops shewing That the Councel that was assigned them by this House refuse to be of Council for them because they being Commoners are involved in all the Acts and Votes of the House of Commons Hereupon it was Ordered That Serjeant Jermin Mr. Hern Mr. Chute and Mr. Hales be sent for to give their Answers herein Order of the Lords to expel all Romish Recusants out of the Inns of Court and Chancery It was also this day Ordered by the Lords in Parliament That the Treasurers Recorders Readers and Benchers of the Societies of the four Inns of Court shall make or cause to be made diligent Search and Examination whether there be any Recusants of any Nation whatsoever admitted into their several Houses or into the Inns of Chancery belonging thereunto or live within the same Houses And if upon search any shall be found that they be forthwith dismissed and expelled out of the said Houses And it is further Ordered That no Romish Recusant shall hereafter be admitted into any the said Inns of Court or Inns of Chancery upon any pretences whatsoever Directed To the Treasurers Readers and Benchers of the Society of the Inner-Temple To the Treasurers c. of Grayes-Inn To the Treasurers c. of the Middle Temple To the Treasurers c. of Lincolns-Inn In the Commons House it was likewise Ordered Order of the Commons to tender the Oaths of Alleglance and Supremacy to Irish Recusants and others in the Inns of Court Order of the Commons to Examine all Irish endeavouring to pass over into Preland That the Oaths of Allegiance and Supremacy shall be tendred to the Irish Gentlemen and such others as are suspected for Recusants as are within the Inns of Court that are Students there and that the Lord Keeper shall be desired to award a Commission to that purpose to the Benchers of the several Inns of Court respectively It was also Ordered That all suspected Persons Irish and others that do endeavour to pass over into Ireland shall be Examined by the Mayor or other Officers of the several Ports where they endeavour to take Shipping upon such Instructions as they shall receive from this House and that the said Officers do tender unto all such persons the Oaths of Allegiance and Supremacy and to Convict such according to Law An Information was this day given in to the Commons against one Mr. Carter a School-Master at High-gate for words spoken by him Viz. Chamberlain an Informer That Mr. Carter said That they were mad that would read the Order of the House of Commons of the 8th of September concerning Innovations And for the Protestation there were none but fools had taken it Whereupon Mr. Green who was also present said he had taken it Carter replied It was for want of information and he would maintain that it was against Reason Justice and Law and whereas said he it is to maintain the Priviledge of Parliament no Justice of Peace nor Constable but had as much priviledge as they had And said further That it was against the King and State I answered him Are you wiser than two Kingdoms for the Scots have taken it likewise What do you talk said he of a Company of Rebels and Rascals the Parliament hath dishonoured the King and Kingdom by making a Peace with them Upon which complaint it was Ordered That Carter should immediately be taken into Custody by the Sergeant at Arms. By which passage the Reader may plainly see the Genius of those times and of those Men who verified the saying of the Poet Nec Hospes ab Hospite tutus No person could in common discourse have the freedom of conversation but was in danger of these Zealous Informers who made it their business to run with informations to the House of Commons against such as durst oppose their Votes and Arbitrary Orders Tuesday Novemb. 9. Serjeant Jermin Mr. Chute and Mr. Hales appeared this day before the Lords and declared themselves willing to be of Council with the Lords the Bishops in the Impeachment brought up from the House of Commons The Bishops to answer their Impeachment upon Friday November 12. as they were formerly assigned by the House Whereupon it was Ordered That the Bishops that are impeached shall put in their Answers to the said Impeachment on Friday Morning next and that the Bill concerning the Bishops Votes shall be deferred until then Upon report of the Lords Committees for the Irish Affairs Earl of Leicester scruples raising men without the Kings Commission that
so impudent as to tell his Majesty that we have done nothing for him As to the Second Branch of this slander we acknowledge with much thankfulness that his Majesty hath passed more good Bills to the advantage of the Subjects then have been in many ages but withal we cannot forget that these venemous Councils did manifest themselves in some endeavours to hinder these good Acts and for both Houses of Parliament we may with truth and modesty say thus much That we have ever been careful not to desire any thing that should weaken the Crown either in just profit or useful power The Triennial Parliament for the matter of it doth not extend to so much as by Law we ought to have required there being two Statutes still in force for a Parliament to be once a year and for the manner of it it is in the Kings Power that it shall never take effect if he by a timely Summons shall prevent any other way of assembling In the Bill for continuance of this present Parliament there seems to be some restraint of the Royal Power in dissolving of Parliaments not to take it out of the Crown but to suspend the execution of it for this time and occasion only which was so necessary for the Kings own security and the publick Peace that without it we could not have undertaken any of these great charges but must have left both the Armies to disorder and confusion and the whole Kingdom to Blood and Rapine The Star-Chamber was much more fruitful in Oppression then in profit the great Fines being for the most part given away and the rest stalled at long times The Fines of the High Commission were in themselves unjust and seldome or never came into the Kings Purse These four Bills are particularly and more specially instanced in the rest there will not be found so much as a shadow of prejudice to the Crown They have sought to diminish our reputation with the people and to bring them out of love with Parliaments the aspersions which they have attempted this way have been such as these that we have spent much time and done little especially in those Grievances which concern Religion That the Parliament is a burthen to the Kingdom by the abundance of Protections which hinder Justice and Trade and by many Subsidies granted much more heavy then any they formerly endured to which there is a ready Answer if the time spent in this Parliament be considered in relation backward to the long growth and deep root of those Grievances which we have removed to the powerful supports of those Delinquents which we have persued to the great necessities and other charges of the Commonwealth for which we have provided or if it be considered in relation forward to many advantages which not only the present but future Ages are like to reap by the good Laws and other Proceedings in this Parliament we doubt not but it will be thought by all indifferent judgments that our time hath been much better imployed then in a far greater proportion of time in many former Parliaments put together and the charges which have been laid upon the Subject and the other inconveniencies which they have born will seem very light in respect of the benefit they have had and may receive And for the matter of Protections the Parliament is so sensible of it that therein they intend to give them whatsoever ease may stand with Honour and Justice and are in a way of passing a Bill to give them satisfaction They have sought by many subtile practices to cause Jealousies and divisions betwixt us and our Brethren of Scotland by slandering their proceedings and intentions towards us and by secret endeavours to instigate and incense them and us one against another They have had such a Party of Bishops and Popish Lords in the House of Peers as hath caused much opposition and delay in the Prosecution of Delinquents and hindred the Proceedings of divers good Bills passed in the Commons House concerning the reformation of sundry great abuses and corruptions both in Church and State They have laboured to seduce and corrupt some of the Commons House to draw them into Conspiracies and Combinations against the Liberty of the Parliament And by their instruments and Agents they have attempted to disaffect and discontent his Majesties Army and to engage it for the maintenance of their wicked and Traiterous Designs the keeping up of Bishops in Votes and Functions and by force to compel the Parliament to order limit and dispose their proceedings in such manner as might best concur with the intentions of this dangerous and potent Faction And when one mischievous Design and Attempt of theirs to bring on the Army against the Parliament and the City of London had been discovered and prevented they presently undertook another of the same damnable Nature with this Addition to it to endeavour to make the Scottish Army neutral whil'st the English Army which they had laboured to corrupt and invenome against us by their false and slanderous suggestions should execute their Malice to the subversion of our Religion and the dissolution of our Government Thus they have been continually practising to disturb the Peace and Plotting the Destruction even of all the Kings Dominions and have employed their Emissaries and Agents in them all for the promoting of their Devilish Designs which the vigilancy of those who were well affected hath still discovered and defeated before they were ripe for Execution in England and Scotland only in Ireland which was farther off they have had time and opportunity to mould and prepare their work and had brought it to that perfection that they had possessed themselves of that whole Kingdom totally subverted the Government of it rooted out Religion and destroyed all the Protestants whom the conscience of their duty to God their King and Country would not have permitted to joyn with them if by Gods wonderful providence their main enterprize upon the City and Castle of Dublin had not been detected and prevented upon the very Eve before it should have been executed Notwithstanding they have in other parts of that Kingdom broken out into open Rebellion surprized Towns and Castles Committed Murders Rapes and other Villanies and shaken off all bonds of obedience to his Majesty and the Laws of the Realm and in general have kindled such a fire as nothing but God's Infinite Blessing upon the wisdom and endeavours of this State will be able to quench it and certainly had not God in his great Mercy unto this Land discovered and confounded their former Designs we had been the Prologue to this Tragedy in Ireland and had by this time been made the lamentable spectacle of Misery and Confusion And now what hope have we but in God when as the only means of our subsistence and Power of Reformation is under him in the Parliament but what can we the Commons without the conjunction of the House of Lords and what
left that Nation a most peaceable and contented People So that although I have a little misreckoned in Time yet I was not deceived in My End But if I have deceived your expectations a little in the time of My return yet I am assured that My expectation is as much and more deceived in the condition wherein I hoped to have found some businesses at My return For since that before My going I setled the Liberties of My Subjects and gave the Law a free and orderly Course I expected to have found My People reaping the Fruits of these benefits by living in quietness and satisfaction of mind But instead of this I find them disturbed with Jealousies Frights and Alarms of dangerous Designs and Plots in Consequence of which Guards have been set to defend both Houses I say not this as in doubt that My Subjects Affections are any way lessened to Me in this time of My absence for I cannot but remember to My great comfort the joyful reception I had now at my Entry into London but rather as I hope that My presence will easily disperse these Fears For I bring as perfect and true Affections to My People as ever Prince did or as good Subjects can possibly desire And I am so far from repenting Me of any Act I have done this Session for the good of My People that I protest if it were to do again I would do it and will yet grant what else can be justly desired for satisfaction in point of Liberties or in maintenance of the True Religion that is here Established Now I have but one particular to recommend unto you at this time it is Ireland for which though I doubt not your care yet methinks the preparations for it go but slowly on The occasion is the fitter for Me now to mention it because of the Arrival of two Lords from Scotland who come instructed from My Council there who now by Act of Parliament have full Power for that purpose to Answer that Demand which it pleased both Houses to make of Me by way of Petition that met Me at Berwick and which the Duke of Richmond sent back by My Command to my Scotch Council Therefore My desire is That both Houses would appoint a Select Committee to end this business with these Noblemen I must conclude in telling you That I seek My Peoples Happyness For their Flourishing is My greatest Glory and their Affections My greatest Strength The King having Ended his Speech he departed and the Commons returned to their House Bishop of Hereford excused from paying some part of his Pol-mony Upon the Petition of the Bishop of Hereford It was Ordered That he having paid 60 l. for Poll-money shall be freed from any further Payments for the same and shall not pay after the Rate of Tenths because he is freed from paying of Tenths under the Great Seal of England and that upon good and valuable Considerations divers Mannors having been taken from the Bishoprick of Hereford in the beginning of the Reign of Queen Elizabeth Judges Report the Statutes in force against Riots Routs c. The Lord Chief Justice of the Kings-Bench Reported That the Judges have considered the Laws and Statutes of this Kingdom for preventing of Riots Routs and unlawful Assemblies and they are of Opinion That the best way is to issue forth Writs according to the Statute of 2 H. 5. cap. 8. Which Statute was presently read and it was Ordered That the Lord Keeper should forthwith issue forth Writs to the Sheriffs and Justices of the Peace of the City of London and the Counties of Middlesex and Surrey and to the Justices of the Peace of the City of Westminster according to the aforesaid Statute concerning Riots Routs c. and the Judges to be advised withall for the Form of the said Writs But the Tumults found too much Countenance among the Faction in the Commons House The Tumults incouraged by the Faction of the Commons where they were indeed promoted and incouraged as is Evident by the adjournment of the consideration of them this day in their House that having been yesterday ordered to be debated and so they were adjourned de die in diem which plainly manifests the tenderness they had for the Bioters and the Use they intended to make of these Tumultuous and Unlawful Assemblies which was to Terrifie the Lords to a compliance with their desires in cutting off a Limb from the Body of their House by Excluding the Bishops as before they had by the same Method prevailed in passing the Bill to cut off the Wise and Noble Head of the Earl of Strafford Sir Ralph Hopton Reported The Report how the King received the Petition and Declaration That last Night in the Evening the Committee appointed to attend His Majesty with the Petition of the House of Commons and the Declaration annexed came to Hampton-Court and Sir Richard Wiâ—n I may name him upon this Occasion gave his Majesty Notice of our being there and within a quarter of an hour the King sent a Gentleman to call us in with Directions that none should come in but the Committee alone who did all of them present themselves upon their Knees and my self in obedience to the Order of the House in the Absence of * Sir Ed. Deering upon whom they had imposed this ingrateful Task he being now fallen into their displeasure another designed for that Service did begin to read the Petition kneeling but his Majesty would not permit us to kneel but commanded us all to rise and so read it the first Observation His Majesty made was at that part of the Petition that charges the Malignant Party with the design to change Religion To which His Majesty said with a great deal of fervency The Devil take him whomsoever he be that had a Design to change Religion I then proceeded and when I came to that part of the Petition for reserving the disposal of the Lands of the Rebels in Ireland c. his Majesty was pleased to say We must not dispose of the Bears Skin till he be dead After the Petition was read his Majesty desired to ask us some Questions we answered We had no Commission to speak any thing concerning this business Then said he you may speak as particular men and said Doth the House intend to publish this Declaration * And yet it was carried before against Printing it but by 124 to 101 Votes upon Munday 22 No. We answered We could give no Answer unto it Well then said He I suppose you do not now Expect an Answer unto so long a Petition And this let me tell you I have left Scotland well and in Peace they are all satisfied with me and I with them and thô I staid longer there than I Expected yet I think if I had not gone you had not been rid so soon of the Armies I shall give you an Answer to this business with as much
against the Peace and the Crown and Dignity of their Sovereign Lord the King have Assembled by thousands under Pretence of Petitioning against Bishops Evil Counsellors c. as now they did Saturday Decemb. 11. The Lord Keeper this Day signified to the House of Lords That His Majesty had Commanded him to deliver this Message to both Houses That whereas formerly he had acquainted both Houses with the Desire of the French Ambassador That eight Romish Priâ—sts convicted at the Sessions might be Reprieved and Banished at this time because it may concern the Business of Ireland and that his Majesty had desired the Advice of both Houses therein of which his Majesty hath not yet received any Answer His Majesty therefore puts the House in mind thereof and desires an Answer in regard that on Munday next is the Day for Executing of those that are convicted which are seven Priests one of the eight being acquitted upon the Tryal Upon which the Lords sent a Message by Sir Edward Leech and Dr. Bennet to desire a Conference concerning this Matter to which the Commons returned Answer That they will send an Answer by Messengers of their own in convenient time The Bill Intituled The Bill for relief of Captives at Algiers passed the Lords House The Bishops by their Councel adhere to their Plea and Demurrer An Act for the Relief of the Captives taken by Turkish Moorish and other Pirates and to prevent the taking of others in time to come being read a third time and put to the Question It was Resolved To pass as a Law This Day being appointed for the 13 Bishops that are Impeached by the House of Commons for making the Canons and Constitutions and for Granting a Benevolence contrary to Law to make their Answers to the Impeachment their Councel were called in and the Impeachment was read Then the Lord Keeper demanded of them Whether the Bishops will abide by their Plea and Demurrer or make their Answers The Councel Answered That the 12 Bishops do resolve to adhere to their former Plea and Demurrer only they have waved one Branch of their Demurrer which was to the generality of the Charge which appears to be particular Hereupon the Councel withdrew and the House Ordered That the Lords the Bishops that are Impeached shall be heard by their Councel on Monday next touching the Maintaining of their Plea and Demurrer and that the House of Commons have Notice herein that they or some of their Members whom they shall appoint may be present if they please And to this purpose a Conference was sent to be desired by Serjeant Whitfield and Serjeant Glanvile Then the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland produced a Paper which was given by the Scots Commissioners to the English which being read was in these words OVt of the Sense of our Duty we owe unto his Majesty and the true Affection which the Kingdom of Scotland bears to the Kingdom of England We are willing to contribute our best Assistance for the speedy Relief of those distressed Parts of Ireland that lye nearest us Therefore in the Name of the Kingdom of Scotland we make Offer of 10000 Men for that Service which is conceived to be the least Number can be for secureing themselves and reducing the Rebels in the North of Ireland to the due Obedience of his Majesty and the Crown of England This Offer is upon such particular Conditions as in the Progress of this Treaty we shall agree upon which may be for the Honor of our Nation and the Safety and Good of the Army imployed in the Service This being done the Lord Lieutenant declared That his Majesty being made acquainted with this Proposition was willing they should Treat for 10000 Men the House assented to give Power to the Commissioners to Treat accordingly The Commons fell this Day upon the Matter of the Guards and the Justices of the Peace for Middlesex being called in and demanded by what Warrant or Authority they caused those Guards to be set they made Answer That what they had done in this Matter was in Obedience to his Majesties Warrant to them directed Then the Under-Sheriff was called in and Examined also concerning the setting of the Guards who affirmed That the Writ was granted forth by direction of the House of Lords and with the Advice of the Judges They being withdrawn upon the Debate of the Matter the storm for the present fell only upon Mr. Long who had signed the Warrant for the Guards Mr. Long a Justice of the Peace sent to the Tower about the setting of a Guard without the Consent of the Parliament and the Question being put Whether Mr. Long should be put out of the Commission of the Peace The House was divided upon it with the No were 94 with the Yea 90 so it passed in the Negative and he was by the Vote of the House sent to the Tower For that He the said Mr. Long in his Warrant had exceeded the Authority given him by the Writ and had directed Constables and Sitting the Parliament had sent down Armed Men to the Parliament never acquainting the Parliament with it A Committee was also appointed to Examine the business concerning the raising and sending armed men to the Pallace at Westminster The Message from the Lords about the King's desire to know the Answer of the Parliament concerning Banishing the Condemned Priests at the Request of the French Embassador was read and it was singly Voted upon these following Resolved That Hamon Jo. Rivers alias Abbot Walth Coleman Priests voted to be Executed and Turnor Priests shall be put to Execution according to the Laws Sir Phillip Stapleton Reported That the Scots Commissioners had shewed their Authority to Treat to Assist us with 10000 Men upon such Conditions as should be agreed We told them Vpon this Proposition we could not Treat with them for that our Commission was only to Treat for 5000 Men They wished us to acquaint the King with it so according to our Duty we waited on his Majesty who Expressed a great deal of Desire and Affection in the furthering of this business and said he had referred it to the Parliament and would grant a Commission to treat with them for 10000 Men. Whereupon the House assented to it A Petition of some Aldermen and Common Council-men and Subsidy Men of the Factious part of the City of London and Suburbs was this day presented to the House of Commons which being read the Petitioners were called in and Mr. Speaker in the Name and by the Order of the House acquainted them That the House took their Petition in good part and returned them Thanks for their Respects to this House and readiness to supply the Publique and that in convenient time the House will take their Petition into Consideration Some of them then desired they might have leave to speak something to the House whereupon they were ordered to withdraw and the House upon the Debate having resolved
Haman when he would in one day cut off all the Jewish Nation and have the King intend a Favour to him The King propounds a question What shall be done to the man whom the King will Honour Haman thought in his heart Whom will the King Honour but my self And so my Lord of Strafford having raised this Army it was set up by him and if such a Counsel as this was entertained into whose hands should it be put here were Haman 's thoughts who should have the Power of it but he that hath inspired it and since maintained it Truly My Lords it was a desperate Counsel and methinks the Counsel of Achitophel might have been compared to it for when he had stirred up the Rebellion of Absolom against his Father he perswades Absolom to that which might breed an irreconcilable hatred between them Yet a Father and a Son might be reconciled But he that adheres to the Son in this case might not so easily forgive Therefore this Lord falls upon a Counsel which he thought would never be forgiven A Counsel of irreconcilable difference to subdue us by Force and Power and takes away all possibility of Addressing our Complaints to the King as he had done from those of Ireland when he not only forestalls their Complaints but by a Proclamation takes order that none should come over too without his Licence which was in effect that none should complain of his Oppression without his good liking Some violent Speeches he uses suitable to these Counsels That no good would be done upon the Aldermen till they were hanged That the French King employed Commissaries to looke into mens Estates which will be insisted upon in their proper place Next he levied eight pence a day for maintenance of the Trained-Soldiers against the Will of the Country which he said was done by the consent of the Lords of the great Councel which we know is untrue And we shall prove it untrue in the other part where he says it was done freely by consent of the Gentlemen of the Country Most of them that did consent were his own Friends and Papists But the Petition of the Country as to that part of it that concerns a Parliament he rejected because he would have no Parliament And he prefers another in the name of the Country and that he calls The Petition of the Country And now I shall apply my self to the proofs and shall take care to offer nothing but what will fall out to be proved And shall first apply my self to the first Article concerning the Commission for the North parts where an Arbitrary Power was thereby granted as is used in the Star-Chamber and Chancery In the opening of it first we shall produce the Commission of 8 Car. and that of 13 differs but little from it We shall shew that these Clauses were procured by him to be inferted upon occasion of a Gentlemans Sir Thomas Gore being Fined in the Court of Star-Chamber there and his being Arrested by a Warrant from my Lord Wentworth here in London We do not go about to prove that he solicited for this Commission but that he expressed his desire of it and upon that it was granted We shall prove that it was executed in this high manner that when Prohibitions have been taken out he hath punished the parties some he hath threatned Nay Money hath been given to those that were Defendants in the Prohibition And we shall offer this too The Judge is dead before whom it was but upon occasion of a Prohibition he went to a Judge a Reverend and Just man Mr. Justice Hutton what was said privately between them we cannot tell but we shall prove that Mr. Justice Hutton complained with Tears in his Eyes how that Lord used him about a Prohibition And so we shall leave this Article with this We shall not go about to prove Decrees for which he might have Colour but for these Clauses he could have no Colour they never being in any Commission before Then the first Article of the Charge was read to which the Reader for avoiding Repetition is referred The Commission granted 21 March 8 Car. to act according to Course of Star-Chamber was read and they insisted upon the 19th Article where it was provided Fines imposed should not be less than those by Act of Parliament upon Article 23. for Injunctions to stay proceedings in any Court at Common Law Article 28. for the Power of the Serjeant at Arms to attach in any place in the Realm of England 29 Article That no Prohibitions should lie in the Courts at Westminster To these John Gower deposed John Gower That his Father was Arrested in London appealed to the Council pleaded the Precincts of the Court did not Extend so far that the Earl fell on his Knees and besought the King That if his Instructions would not reach to bring in a Delinquent that should step over the Water he might leave the Service Evers Gort and lay his Bones in his own Cottage Evers Gore swore to the same effect John Musgrave deposed a Prohibition in the Case of Musgrave and Vaux John Musgrave which the Lord President said he would not obey F. Thorp deposed That my Lord told him he was one that opposed him F. Thorp that he should hereafter hear further from him That his Lordship put him out of the Commission of the Peace but he could not say he punished him for the Prohibition That he durst not move for any Prohibitions knowing well the price of my Lord Strafford 's displeasure That for saying in the Traverse of an Indictment That the bare Indictment was no Evidence to the Petit Jury and that he appealed to the Judges he was sent for by a Pursevant and that my Lord told him he would teach him to know there were other men for him to complain to viz. the President and Council That for this opposing the Jurisdiction of the Court at York he was bound to the Behaviour and forced to make submission at the Sessions Then my Lord was called upon for his answer he desired a little time to retire to rest and peruse his Notes which the Managers opposed but the Lords allowed him to do it at the Barr. After a little Respite he made his Defence He said there was a great difference between Treasons and Misdemeanors that there was nothing in this that can be Treason and that if a Thousand Misdemeanors will not make one Felony 28 Misdemeanors could not be heightned into Treason That if his Accusations be not Treason he ought to be admitted Councel that he had no leave to summon a Witness till Friday last which was a little severe however he answered That as to the Instructions and Commission he did not procure them or knew any thing of them that the Commission was renewed of Course Sir Arthur Ingram going out and Sir John Melton succeeding as Secretary That the the King's Councel of the Fee offer such