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A26859 Richard Baxters answer to Dr. Edward Stillingfleet's charge of separation containing, I. some queries necessary for the understanding of his accusation, II. a reply to his letter which denyeth a solution, III. an answer to his printed sermon : humbly tendred, I. to himself, II. to the Right Honourable the Lord Mayor and the court of aldermen, III. to the readers of his accusation, the forum where we are accused.; Answer to Dr. Edward Stillingfleet's charge of separation. 1680 Baxter, Richard, 1615-1691. 1680 (1680) Wing B1183; ESTC R10441 92,845 104

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their_o endeavour_n for_o it_o be_v the_o same_o with_o th●_n church_n of_o england_n none_o that_o know_v the_o case_n will_v be_v of_o your_o mind_n 3_o if_o you_o be_v intelligible_a we_o must_v suppose_v that_o you_o cite_v they_o to_o defend_v this_o as_o the_o conclusion_n which_o you_o own_o the_o word_n tyranny_n be_v too_o harsh_a to_o be_v use_v without_o need_n but_o i_o suppose_v you_o include_v that_o the_o say_v endeavour_n for_o uniformity_n have_v no_o culpable_a severity_n in_o they_o that_o be_v that_o the_o act_n for_o uniformity_n the_o canon_n the_o execute_n of_o they_o in_o declaration_n subscription_n oath_n practice_n punishment_n corporal_a and_o spiritual_a be_v no_o sin_n but_o lawful_a in_o your_o epistle_n you_o say_v they_o be_v ill_a man_n that_o say_v this_o be_v stir_v up_o to_o persecution_n all_o that_o i_o will_v say_v be_v that_o if_o you_o own_o these_o endeavour_n for_o uniformity_n i_o do_v not_o and_o the_o judge_n be_v at_o the_o door_n §_o 68_o serm._n p._n 44._o if_o they_o form_v their_o judgement_n rather_o by_o prejudice_n and_o passion_n and_o interest_n than_o from_o the_o law_n of_o god_n or_o just_a rule_n of_o conscience_n etc._n etc._n ans_fw-fr 1._o this_o be_v true_a and_o good_a if_o we_o make_v not_o god_n law_n the_o rule_n of_o conscience_n no_o wonder_n if_o we_o err_v god_n preserve_v we_o from_o all_o corrupt_a prejudice_n passion_n interest_n and_o canon_n 2._o but_o when_o you_o compare_v our_o temptation_n from_o interest_n with_o you_o i_o hope_v you_o will_v not_o say_v as_o dr._n asheton_n that_o as_o go_v to_o the_o bar_n of_o god_n he_o undertake_v to_o make_v good_a that_o it_o be_v through_o pride_n and_o covetousness_n that_o we_o conform_v not_o that_o be_v that_o we_o choose_v the_o contempt_n of_o high_a and_o low_a and_o to_o live_v on_o alm_n and_o multitude_n in_o pinch_a poverty_n §_o 69._o serm._n p._n 46._o we_o find_v uniformity_n and_o order_n condemn_v as_o tyrannical_a till_o man_n come_v into_o power_n themselves_o and_o then_o the_o very_a same_o thing_n and_o argument_n be_v use_v and_o think_v very_o good_a and_o substantial_a which_o before_o be_v weak_a and_o sophistical_a ans_fw-fr a_o true_a and_o sad_a confession_n when_o i_o read_v your_o irenicon_n and_o this_o sermon_n i_o the_o more_o believe_v you_o therefore_o it_o have_v be_v my_o happiness_n that_o i_o be_v never_o in_o power_n no_o nor_o ever_o on_o the_o uppermost_a side_n unless_o as_o i_o be_o for_o the_o king_n i_o remember_v dr._n rieves_n tell_v we_o in_o the_o pulpit_n that_o the_o reason_n why_o we_o be_v against_o diocesan_n bishop_n be_v because_o we_o can_v not_o be_v bishop_n ourselves_o and_o many_o other_o have_v say_v the_o like_a §_o 70._o serm._n those_o that_o now_o plead_v for_o toleration_n do_v once_o think_v it_o the_o mother_n of_o confusion_n the_o nurse_n of_o atheism_n etc._n etc._n ans_fw-fr 1._o sure_o though_o you_o often_o cite_v dr._n owen_n you_o mean_v not_o the_o independent_o 2._o if_o they_o speak_v either_o for_o or_o against_o toleration_n as_o you_o do_v without_o distinction_n and_o be_v for_o all_o or_o against_o all_o and_o distinguish_v not_o the_o tolerable_a from_o the_o intolerable_a it_o be_v no_o great_a heed_n to_o be_v take_v what_o they_o say_v if_o there_o be_v but_o one_o false_a word_n impose_v on_o you_o which_o you_o can_v not_o assent_v to_o and_o on_o 2000_o such_o as_o you_o shall_v you_o be_v no_o more_o tolerate_v than_o a_o mahometan_a §_o 71._o as_o to_o your_o advice_n to_o we_o p._n 47._o 48._o 1._o do_v you_o think_v that_o because_o we_o must_v bear_v with_o much_o that_o be_v amiss_o in_o the_o church_n that_o therefore_o we_o must_v either_o consent_v to_o it_o or_o practice_v it_o and_o covenant_n against_o all_o endeavour_n of_o amend_v it_o or_o prefer_v it_o before_o better_a the_o man_n you_o talk_v of_o out_o of_o mr._n ball_n be_v near_o bremicham_n and_o be_v melancholy_a to_o a_o kind_n of_o madness_n to_o your_o second_o i_o answer_v it_o follow_v not_o that_o because_o we_o must_v not_o judge_v too_o hardly_o of_o imposition_n therefore_o we_o must_v say_v swear_v and_o do_v all_o that_o be_v now_o impose_v on_o we_o or_o that_o he_o that_o dare_v not_o do_v it_o be_v unpeaceable_a i_o will_v we_o know_v in_o what_o case_n only_o you_o will_v deny_v obedience_n and_o conformity_n yourself_o doubtful_a passage_n and_o undoubted_a evil_n somewhat_o differ_v a_o faultfinding_n disposition_n and_o the_o roman_a art_n that_o boccaline_a mention_n to_o swallow_v a_o pimpion_n have_v a_o mean_a between_o they_o papist_n socinian_o or_o any_o that_o be_v uppermost_a may_v call_v for_o conformity_n under_o the_o name_n of_o unity_n and_o peace_n to_o the_o three_o separation_n be_v not_o the_o same_o thing_n in_o the_o mouth_n of_o the_o old_a nonconformist_n as_o in_o you_o they_o take_v it_o first_o for_o unchurch_v the_o parish_n church_n 2._o or_o hold_v it_o a_o sin_n to_o communicate_v with_o they_o if_o they_o may_v be_v excuse_v as_o to_o kneel_v cross_v etc._n etc._n you_o take_v it_o for_o preach_v when_o forbid_v i_o have_v name_v to_o you_o the_o old_a nonconformist_n that_o preach_v when_o they_o can_v and_o half_a of_o they_o i_o think_v get_v into_o small_a privilege_a place_n exempt_a from_o the_o bishop_n power_n and_o there_o preach_v most_o of_o they_o without_o the_o liturgy_n and_o all_o without_o the_o ceremony_n and_o be_v not_o this_o against_o law_n sure_a bishop_n bancroft_n that_o describe_v their_o attempt_n to_o set_v up_o new_a church_n and_o discipline_n be_v not_o of_o your_o mind_n concern_v the_o nonconformist_n judgement_n we_o have_v but_o two_o in_o all_o shropshire_n and_o dr._n allestree_n when_o a_o boy_n be_v the_o catechise_v auditor_n of_o one_o of_o they_o be_v his_o next_o neighbour_n in_o a_o peculiar_a chapel_n without_o the_o liturgy_n etc._n etc._n and_o yet_o i_o think_v not_o that_o his_o father_n and_o 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