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A07807 A full satisfaction concerning a double Romish iniquitie; hainous rebellion, and more then heathenish æquiuocation Containing three parts: the two former belong to the reply vpon the Moderate Answerer; the first for confirmation of the discouerie in these two points, treason and æquiuocation: the second is a iustification of Protestants, touching the same points. The third part is a large discourse confuting the reasons and grounds of other priests, both in the case of rebellion, and æquiuocation. Published by authoritie. Morton, Thomas, 1564-1659. 1606 (1606) STC 18185; ESTC S112912 216,074 250

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me to kill a fellon I denie his authoritie this is against the commission of his and my King and in this case of too peremptorie a commaund I acknowledge him no Iustice yet not absolutely no Iustice for if presently he shall commaund me to apprehend the same fellon I willingly obey him He therefore in his former commaund was as it were disjusticed onely by that act of disobedience wherein obedience to him had bene disobedience against the Crowne but yet he remained Iustice in office and therefore comanding iustly I dutifully obeyed him Thus is it in Caluins iudgement in the comparison betweene man and God If the King exalt himselfe to Gods throne then pull him downe that is do not obey yet so that we dispossesse him not of his owne throne which is Gods footstoole Therefore said Caluine In the most wicked King that is enemie to God there is by Gods ordinance an impression of maiestie which is inuiolable and his authoritie is not to be contemned This is cleare in Daniels case wherein Caluin doth insist for Daniel commaunded by the King to worship the Idoll refused cast among Lions was miraculously preserued in the end deliuered then he thus answered the King Against thee O King haue I done none iniquitie Wherein Caluine obserueth that No King ought to thinke it iniquitie to be disobeyed in that which he shall commaund contrary to God because the order of obedience to Kings beginneth at God as S. Peter saith Feare God honour the King This is the summe And is there any King which feareth God that can call this exposition rebellious For to * giue to God that which is Gods doth not depriue a King though most wicked of his due for it followeth Giue vnto Caesar that which belongeth vnto Caesar but you doe not onely take away duties belonging vnto Caesar but also take out of the way Caesar himselfe if opposite vnto your super●●itious doctrines Thus haue I satisfied according to the truth of Caluins opinion Now for his phrase The Phrase of Caluin iniuriously vrged The moderate Answerer But Caluine saith that such a King is to be berea●ed of all authoritie and not to be numbred among men but rather to be spit vpon then obeyed The Reply You haue weighed the words of Caluine in false ballances I would I could say ignorance onely and not also malicious deceit but first of ignorance For when we consider man created with a reasonable soule and after rebelling against his maker shall we not thinke him vnworthy of the name of reasonable man What is this els then that which we reade Man in honour hath no vnderstanding and is become like the beast that perisheth Shewing as ancient Fathers do comment that man by disobedience to God is degenerate frō his kind and therefore as God said for the presumption of his transgression by an Ironie Behold man is become as one of vs c. So the beasts may say in mans confusion thus Behold man is become like one of vs because he is degenerated frō the first sanctified reason for which cause our Sauior called Herod a Foxe and his owne Disciple Satan And yet in regard of their offices neither did the Apostle cease to be an Apostle nor Herod to be acknowledged King Nay Nabuchadnezzar by a sauage distraction metamorphosed into the disposition of a brute beast to liue in deserts with beasts yet lost not in the interim the right of his empire The next word of rather spitting in their faces spoken comparatiuely doth not rebelliously teach irreuerence to the maiestie of a King but only emphatically inforce a more zealous obedience vnto God as whē I say I had rather burne my hand then write any thing against my conscience I do not danger my hand but I auouch the sinceritie of my conscience Notwithstanding if the word had bin vsed simply yet could it not haue bin vnderstood literally but figuratiuely As when it is written of God that God will spue the luke-warme professor out of his mouth signifying he doth loath such Therefore you must not deale with mens speeches as Salomon teacheth men not to deale with their owne noses He that wringeth his nose too much doth fetch bloud 2. D●ceit Caluin saith say you that such a King is to be bereaued of all authoritie It is noted of Satans temptation that in alledging a text of Scripture He hath giuen his Argels charge o●er thee to keep thee in all thy wayes c. the subtile Tempter left out the words of greatest importance In al thy wayes I wil not charge you with imitation of that spirit of lying by substracting for you do but adde onely one word All bereaued of All authoritie But Caluine Abdicant se potestate bereaued of authoritie meaning only in that case of contradiction against God But this kinde of dealing is but ordinary in your moderation Thus is Caluin i●stified concerning his doctrine in him also Beza because Beza say you his successor in place succeeded him also both in opinion and practise We haue heard of their opinion Haue you any thing to except against their practise The practise of Caluin and Beza obiected by The moderate Answerer Both Beza and Ca●…n armed subiects against their Prince at Geneua and as Calu●… himselfe Doctor Su●cli●●e and the Arch-bishop of Canterburie be witnesses deposed their Soueraigne from his temporall right and euer since continue in that state of Rebellion The Reply I am sure if Caluin hath written to that effect your modesty would not haue concealed it but as the Comedian Poet maketh his parasite to speake Aequè quidquam nunc quidem ●…uen any thing so I m●y seeme to say something The booke of Doctor Sutcli●fes I could not find and I needed not seeke it for I haue con●erred herein with the master who answered me that the booke De Iure Magistratus he neuer thought to be Beza his worke and concerning the State of Geneua the Bishop thereof whom you call Prince and Gouernor of Geneua was neuer there Prince but the state of the towne was a free state of it selfe To make a question whether I should rather beleeue him or you is to doubt whether he that hath bin at Geneua or he that neuer saw it can better report the state thereof The words of Caluine his confession which should haue be●e produced are these We haue restored to the Magistrate of Geneua all the ciuill power which those false Bishops had vnder colour of liber●ie and priuiledge taken from the Magistrate and by collusion did chalenge to themselues Adde that which may be obserued the continuall contentions partly betweene the Bishops and the Dukes of Sauoy about that soueraignetie partly also of the citizens against them both An argument of no constant consent The conclusion will be that you may rather proue those Bishops to haue bene iniuriously ambitious then the citie rebellious CHAP.
Crowne The Councels answer is thus framed This is a-against the sundry Acts of Parliament remaining yet in force confirmed by the King of famous memory Henrie the eight against the letters patents of our late Soueraigne King Edward the sixt and his great seale against the consent of the most part of the noble Vniuersities of Christendome c. Wherefore you that tell vs of a statute of Legitimation as a matter euident in modestie shold not haue concealed your euidence Otherwise you know in a proposition copulatiue if but one point be true the whole is a lie Say then whereof can you accuse Cranmer Ridley and all Protestants wherein you will not make King Henrie the eight King Edward the sixt and many Parliaments guiltie I did neuer heare the whole state of any kingdome termed Traitors but by your boldnesse If you had strooke at the head of that opposition you should not haue needed to haue lopped the branches for if King Henry might haue spoken from the dead in the day of the succession of Queene Mary he would haue pleaded the cause of the opposites as Dauid did in the behalfe of his people Oues hae c. It is I these other what haue they done Notwithstanding we acknowledge her successiō iust and after the proclamation of her title shew vs what Protestant euer resisted what Minister of the Gospel in all that fierie trial did kindle the least sparke of sedition among her people Was it because they wanted hope of succession Behold there was the hand-maide of God Elizabeth their hopefull successor to the Crowne Was it for want of power why death is rightly described to be a Giant hauing a thousand hands able to giue any liuing creature his mortall wound But I abhorre to discourse of these rebellious conceits Lastly of all Protestants which were burned in Queene Maries dayes for Religion name but one that was accused of treason I require instance but in one an apparant demonstration that their Religion taught them loyall subiection The second Instance for England The moderate Answerer Sir Thomas Wyat warranted by Protestants Cleargie with diuers others in the short regiment of Queene Marie may be giuen for instance The Reply The Historie relateth the pretence of Wyat thus A Proclamation against the Queenes marriage desiring all English men to ioyne for defence of the Realme in danger to be brought into thraldome to strangers who be Spaniards The like was the Proclamation of the Duke of Suffolke Against the marriage with the Prince of Spaine Where auouching his loyaltie to the person of the Queene layed his hand on his sword saying Hee that would her any hurt I would this sword were at his heart Againe there is recorded the Oration of Queene Marie against Wyat where there is not to be found any scruple concerning the subiect of our question cause of Religion neither was there to make it more apparant any Minister of the Gospell brought in question as a commotioner in that cause Though therefore it is requisite that that which is lawfull be performed by lawfull proceedings yet if intent the subiect of this dispute might answer for Protestants accused in that name then is it plaine that it was not Religion if for Wyat and his fellowes it is as plaine it was not against the Queene or State but for both that the whole land might continue in their former subiection and that by Spanish insolencie her Highnesse preheminence and soueraignetie might not be impared Let vs heare The third Instance for England The moderate Answerer Goodman published a booke concluding it lawfull to kill Kings transgressing Gods lawes themselues and commaunding others to do the like The Reply If I should iustifie this Goodman though your examples might excuse him yet my heart shall condemne my selfe But what doe you professe to prooue All Protetestants teach Positions rebellious Prooue it Here is one Goodman who in his publike booke doeth mainetaine them I haue no other meanes to auoyde these straites which you obiect by the example of one to conclude All Protestants in England rebellious then by the example of * All the rest to answer there is but one And now let me be beholden to your moderation to remember multitudes of your Priests Iesuites Cardinals and Popes in their publike authorized bookes Bulles Decrees and now you requite mee with one But shall one dramme of drosse prooue the whole masse no golde Let vs therefore leaue this Goodman as a man who by his vnauthorized wicked and false positions hath falsified his name You proceed The fift Instance against English Protestants The moderate Answerer The English Protestants notes vpon the Bible as his Maiestie is witnesse do not disallow the killing of Princes in such case as is shewed by the booke of Conference pag. 47. The Reply It will be requisite without preiudice to the most learned and religious iudgement of his Maiestie to satisfie for two places related from that conference The first place touching the act of the midwiues of Egypt who mercifully spared the liues of the infants of the Hebrewes notwithstanding the commaundement of the King The note Their disobedience herein was lawfull but their dissembling was euill And was not this disobedience lawfull Let vs consult with the holy Ghost Heb. 11. 23. where it is written By faith Moses when he was borne was hid three moneths of his parents neither feared they the Kings commaundement The same is the case of the midwiues disobeying the commaundement of the King Now that which is noted by the Spirit of God as commendable in the parents of Moses may it be condemnable in these mercifull midwiues of the Egyptians Nay for it is also written The midwiues of Aegypt feared God and did not as the King commanded them but preserued aliue the male children and therefore God prospered them But we must discerne in this act two colours white and blacke which S. Augustine distinguisheth They did a worke of mercie in preseruing the liues of the yong babes but they did lie vnto the King for safeguard of their owne liues The first deserued prayse the other needed a Pardon Therefore this their lawfull and mercifull disobedience for preuenting the bloudie Massacre of Infants can be no president for your practises intended in malice to end in the bloud of Protestants of all sorts The other point of the note against Dissimulation doth indeed crosse your equiuocating profession but you are not to be offended with vs if we condemne that as sinfull which as S. Augustine saith needed a pardon The second place 2. Chron. 15. 16. the Text King Asa deposed Maachah his mother from her estate because she had made an Idole in a groue The note Mother or Grandmother yet herein the King shewed that he lacked zeale for she ought to haue bene burnt by the Couenant as vers 13. And by the law of God Deut. 13. but he gaue place to foolish