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be_v not_o without_o suspicion_n of_o much_o levity_n and_o rashness_n in_o the_o people_n or_o unfaithfulnesse_n or_o unworthy_a walk_n in_o the_o minister_n or_o both_o and_o therefore_o ordinary_o that_o be_v frequent_a take_v in_o and_o put_v out_o again_o in_o this_o manner_n be_v as_o much_o as_o may_v be_v to_o be_v avoid_v second_o when_o such_o thing_n do_v often_o and_o frequent_o fall_v out_o it_o be_v doubtless_o a_o judgement_n of_o god_n upon_o such_o a_o people_n to_o have_v so_o many_o change_n in_o their_o minister_n as_o be_v that_o of_o which_o it_o be_v say_v three_o shepherd_n have_v i_o cut_v off_o in_o one_o month_n zach._n 11._o 8._o that_o people_n shall_v be_v so_o oft_o as_o sheep_n have_v no_o shepherd_n for_o the_o transgression_n of_o a_o land_n many_o be_v the_o prince_n thereof_o pro._n 28._o 2._o so_o in_o like_a sort_n for_o the_o transgression_n of_o a_o church_n many_o be_v the_o minister_n thereof_o we_o mean_v when_o they_o have_v many_o minister_n by_o the_o come_n in_o and_o go_v out_o of_o the_o same_o man_n or_o the_o remove_n of_o some_o and_o the_o take_n in_o of_o other_o in_o their_o room_n for_o otherwise_o it_o be_v a_o blessing_n of_o god_n when_o a_o church_n be_v furnish_v with_o variety_n of_o minister_n at_o the_o same_o time_n act_v 13._o 1._o &_o 21._o 18._o phil._n 1._o 1._o three_o yet_o this_o word_n ordinary_o do_v seem_v to_o imply_v that_o in_o your_o judgement_n sometime_o this_o may_v be_v lawful_a and_o convenient_a to_o be_v do_v now_o upon_o the_o same_o ground_n on_o which_o it_o may_v be_v do_v sometime_o upon_o the_o same_o it_o may_v be_v do_v at_o other_o time_n if_o there_o be_v just_a occasion_n three_o for_o the_o assistance_n of_o the_o minister_n of_o other_o church_n of_o which_o this_o question_n make_v mention_v if_o this_o be_v only_o by_o way_n of_o counsel_n or_o advice_n we_o know_v nothing_o unlawful_a or_o
the_o title_n of_o the_o 21._o be_v de_fw-fr paritate_fw-la ecclesiarum_fw-la where_o he_o open_v and_o explain_v and_o by_o many_o argument_n and_o testimony_n confirm_v what_o we_o hold_v of_o the_o independency_n and_o parity_n of_o church_n to_o which_o learned_a discourse_n of_o he_o we_o refer_v you_o for_o further_a satisfaction_n in_o this_o point_n we_o do_v believe_v that_o christ_n have_v ordain_v that_o there_o 15._o shall_v be_v a_o presbytery_n or_o eldership_n 1_o tim._n 4._o 14._o and_o that_o in_o every_o church_n â—it_n 1_o 5._o act_n 14._o 23._o 1_o cor._n 12._o 28._o who_o work_n be_v to_o teach_v and_o rule_v the_o church_n by_o the_o word_n and_o law_n of_o christ_n 1_o tim._n 5._o â—7_n and_o unto_o who_o so_o teach_v and_o rule_v all_o the_o people_n ought_v to_o be_v obedient_a and_o submit_v themselves_o heb._n 13._o 17._o and_o therefore_o a_o government_n mere_o popular_a or_o democraticall_a which_o divine_v and_o orthodox_n writer_n do_v so_o much_o condemn_v in_o morillius_n and_o such_o like_a be_v far_o from_o the_o practice_n of_o these_o church_n and_o we_o believe_v far_o from_o the_o mind_n of_o christ_n second_o nevertheless_o a_o government_n mere_o aristocratical_a wherein_o the_o church_n government_n be_v so_o in_o the_o hand_n of_o some_o elder_n as_o that_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o body_n be_v whole_o exclude_v from_o entermedle_v by_o way_n of_o power_n therein_o such_o a_o government_n we_o conceive_v also_o to_o be_v without_o warrant_n of_o the_o word_n and_o likewise_o to_o be_v injurious_a to_o the_o people_n as_o infringe_v that_o liberty_n which_o christ_n have_v give_v to_o they_o in_o choose_v their_o own_o officer_n in_o admit_v of_o member_n and_o censure_v of_o offender_n even_o minister_n themselves_o when_o they_o be_v such_o as_o the_o church_n of_o colosse_n must_v admonish_v archippus_n of_o his_o duty_n col._n 4._o 17._o master_n parker_n you_o know_v have_v 22._o argument_n to_o prove_v the_o superiority_n of_o the_o church_n over_o and_o above_o her_o officer_n polit._n eccles_n lib._n 3._o cap._n 12._o and_o master_n baine_n say_v if_o the_o church_n have_v power_n by_o election_n to_o choose_v a_o minister_n and_o so_o power_n of_o institute_v he_o then_o of_o destitute_v also_o instituere_fw-la &_o destituere_fw-la ejusdem_fw-la est_fw-la potestatis_fw-la diocese_n trial_o p._n 88_o and_o again_o no_o reason_n evince_v the_o pope_n though_o a_o general_a pastor_n subject_n to_o the_o censure_n of_o a_o church_n ecumenical_a but_o the_o same_o prove_v a_o diocesan_n bishop_n and_o we_o may_v add_v and_o a_o congregationall_a minister_n subject_a to_o the_o censure_n of_o the_o particular_a church_n pag._n 89._o and_o whereas_o it_o may_v be_v object_v then_o may_v sheep_n censure_v the_o shepherd_n child_n their_o father_n which_o be_v absurd_a to_o this_o he_o answer_v that_o similitude_n hold_v not_o in_o all_o thing_n natural_a parent_n be_v no_o way_n child_n nor_o in_o state_n of_o subjection_n to_o their_o child_n but_o spiritual_a father_n be_v so_o father_n that_o in_o some_o respect_n they_o be_v child_n to_o the_o whole_a church_n so_o shepherd_n be_v no_o way_n sheep_n but_o minister_n be_v in_o regard_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n 2._o parent_n and_o shepherd_n be_v absolute_o parent_n and_o shepherd_n be_v they_o good_a or_o evil_n but_o spiritual_a parent_n and_o pastor_n be_v no_o long_o so_o than_o they_o do_v according_o behave_v themselves_o p._n 89._o to_o the_o same_o purpose_n and_o more_o aâ—_n large_a be_v this_o objection_n answer_v by_o master_n parker_n polit._n eccles_n l._n 3._o c._n 12._o p._n 78._o 79._o and_o again_o if_o their_o own_o church_n have_v no_o power_n over_o they_o it_o will_v be_v hard_a to_o show_v wherein_o other_o have_v such_o power_n of_o jurisdiction_n over_o person_n who_o belong_v not_o to_o their_o own_o church_n p._n 89._o so_o that_o all_o power_n be_v not_o in_o the_o officer_n alone_o see_v the_o officer_n themselves_o if_o they_o offend_v be_v under_o the_o power_n of_o the_o church_n even_o paul_n himself_o though_o a_o extraordinary_a officer_n yet_o will_v not_o take_v upon_o he_o to_o excommunicate_v the_o incestuous_a person_n without_o the_o church_n but_o send_v to_o they_o exhort_v they_o to_o do_v it_o and_o blame_v they_o because_o they_o have_v not_o do_v it_o soon_o 1_o cor._n 5._o which_o show_v that_o the_o exercise_n of_o all_o church_n power_n of_o government_n be_v not_o in_o the_o officer_n alone_o and_o therefore_o the_o lord_n jesus_n reprove_v pergamus_n and_o thyatira_n for_o suffer_v balaamite_n nicholaitan_n and_o the_o woman_n jezebel_n among_o they_o and_o call_v on_o they_o for_o reformation_n herein_o rev._n 2._o send_v his_o epistle_n not_o only_o to_o the_o angel_n of_o those_o church_n but_o also_o to_o the_o church_n or_o whole_a congregation_n as_o appear_v rev._n 1._o 11._o and_o also_o in_o the_o conclusion_n of_o those_o epistle_n where_o the_o word_n be_v let_v he_o that_o have_v a_o ear_n hear_v what_o the_o spirit_n say_v not_o only_o to_o the_o angel_n but_o unto_o the_o church_n whereby_o it_o appear_v that_o the_o suffering_n of_o these_o corrupt_a person_n and_o practice_n be_v the_o sin_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n and_o the_o reform_v of_o they_o a_o duty_n require_v of_o they_o all_o now_o the_o reform_v of_o abuse_n in_o the_o church_n argue_v some_o exercise_n of_o church_n government_n as_o the_o suffering_n of_o they_o argue_v some_o remissness_n therein_o and_o therefore_o it_o follow_v that_o some_o exercise_n of_o church_n government_n be_v require_v of_o the_o whole_a church_n and_o not_o all_o of_o the_o angel_n alone_o sure_o it_o be_v the_o whole_a congregation_n of_o israel_n think_v it_o their_o duty_n to_o see_v to_o the_o reform_v of_o abuse_n when_o they_o appear_v to_o spring_v up_o among_o they_o as_o appear_z by_o their_o behaviour_n &_o practice_n when_o the_o two_o tribe_n and_o a_o half_a have_v set_v up_o the_o altar_n upon_o the_o bank_n of_o jordan_n jos_n 22._o for_o it_o be_v say_v that_o the_o whole_a congregation_n of_o the_o child_n of_o israel_n gather_v themselves_o together_o at_o shilo_n to_o go_v up_o to_o war_n against_o they_o v_o 12._o and_o when_o phineas_n and_o ten_o prince_n with_o he_o be_v send_v to_o expostulate_v with_o they_o about_o the_o matter_n it_o be_v the_o whole_a congregation_n that_o send_v they_o v_o 13_o 14._o and_o when_o they_o deliver_v their_o message_n they_o speak_v in_o the_o name_n of_o the_o whole_a congregation_n say_v thus_o say_v the_o whole_a congregation_n of_o the_o lord_n what_o trespass_n be_v this_o etc._n etc._n v_o 16._o which_o plain_o declare_v that_o the_o whole_a congregation_n and_o not_o the_o elder_n or_o ruler_n alone_o think_v it_o their_o duty_n to_o see_v abuse_n reform_v and_o redress_v which_o can_v not_o be_v without_o some_o exercise_n of_o government_n and_o when_o achan_n the_o son_n of_o caâ—mi_n have_v commit_v a_o trespass_n in_o the_o accurse_a thing_n â—is_fw-la 7._o it_o be_v count_v the_o sin_n of_o the_o whole_a congregation_n and_o such_o a_o sin_n as_o bring_v a_o plague_n upon_o they_o all_o for_o it_o be_v say_v the_o child_n of_o israel_n commit_v a_o trespass_n in_o the_o accurse_a thing_n v_o 1._o and_o god_n say_v to_o joshua_n not_o the_o elâ—ers_n have_v sin_v but_o israel_n have_v sin_v and_o they_o have_v transgress_v my_o covenant_n and_o they_o have_v steal_v of_o the_o accurse_a thing_n and_o put_v it_o among_o their_o own_o stuff_n v_o 11._o and_o for_o this_o wrath_n fall_v on_o all_o the_o congregation_n of_o israel_n and_o that_o man_n perish_v not_o alone_o in_o his_o iniquity_n josh_n 22._o 20._o now_o why_o shall_v not_o he_o have_v perish_v alone_o but_o wrath_n must_v fall_v upon_o they_o all_o and_o why_o shall_v his_o sin_n be_v the_o sin_n of_o all_o the_o congregation_n if_o the_o care_n of_o prevent_v it_o and_o timely_o suppress_v the_o same_o which_o can_v not_o be_v without_o some_o exercise_n of_o church_n government_n have_v not_o be_v a_o duty_n lie_v upon_o all_o the_o whole_a congregation_n but_o upon_o the_o elder_n and_o officer_n alone_o doubtless_o the_o just_a lord_n who_o say_v every_o man_n shall_v bear_v his_o own_o burden_n gal._n 6._o 5._o will_v not_o have_v bring_v wrath_n upon_o all_o the_o congregation_n for_o achans_n sin_n if_o such_o government_n as_o may_v have_v prevent_v or_o timely_o reform_v the_o same_o have_v not_o belong_v to_o the_o whole_a congregation_n but_o to_o the_o elder_n alone_o and_o before_o this_o time_n all_o the_o child_n of_o israel_n and_o not_o the_o elder_n alone_o be_v command_v to_o put_v leper_n and_o unclean_a person_n out_o of_o the_o camp_n numb_a 5._o 1_o 2._o by_o all_o which_o it_o appear_v that_o all_o exercise_n
primum_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la populus_fw-la potestatem_fw-la habens_fw-la elegendi_fw-la dignum_fw-la ministrum_fw-la habet_fw-la etiam_fw-la testae_fw-la cypriano_n potestatem_fw-la indignum_fw-la recusandi_fw-la deinde_fw-la qui_fw-la judices_fw-la sunt_fw-la censoresque_fw-la morum_fw-la in_o ecclesia_fw-la ex_fw-la officio_fw-la tenentur_fw-la redargnere_fw-la peccantem_fw-la ministrum_fw-la si_fw-la duobus_fw-la aut_fw-la tribus_fw-la testibus_fw-la fide_fw-la dignis_fw-la coram_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la dei_fw-la convictus_fw-la fuerit_fw-la tertiò_fw-la iidem_fw-la cum_fw-la consensu_fw-la &_o suffragiis_fw-la plebis_fw-la deponent_a ministrum_fw-la vel_fw-la ad_fw-la ltempus_fw-la vel_fw-la in_o universum_fw-la vel_fw-la excommunicabunt_fw-la tandem_fw-la juxta_fw-la quaitatem_fw-la peccati_fw-la vel_fw-la defectus_fw-la illius_fw-la p._n 429._o doctor_n ames_n say_v potestas_fw-la huius_fw-la disciplinae_fw-la viz._n of_o excommunication_n quoad_fw-la jus_o ipsum_fw-la pertinet_fw-la ad_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la illam_fw-la in_o communi_fw-la cujus_fw-la membrum_fw-la est_fw-la peccator_fw-la ad_fw-la illos_fw-la enim_fw-la pertinet_fw-la ejicere_fw-la ad_fw-la quos_fw-la pertinet_fw-la primò_fw-la admittere_fw-la &_o corporis_fw-la totius_fw-la interest_n ex_fw-la aequo_fw-la membrorum_fw-la conservatio_fw-la vel_fw-la amputatio_fw-la cum_fw-la ecclesiâ—_n idcirco_fw-la consensu_fw-la eoque_fw-la magistratu_fw-la non_fw-la permittente_fw-la tantum_fw-la sed_fw-la &_o approbante_fw-la &_o constituente_fw-la est_fw-la executioni_fw-la mandanda_fw-la medul_a theol._n l._n 1._o c._n 37._o sect._n 26._o last_o master_n parker_n observe_v a_o distinction_n between_o power_n and_o the_o dispence_n of_o power_n that_o the_o one_o be_v in_o the_o church_n and_o the_o other_o in_o the_o presbyter_n have_v these_o word_n neque_fw-la tamen_fw-la dispensatio_fw-la omnis_fw-la omneque_fw-la exercitum_fw-la est_fw-la penes_fw-la rectores_fw-la solos_fw-la sed_fw-la juxta_fw-la temperamentum_fw-la formae_fw-la partim_fw-la aristocratice_fw-la partim_fw-la democraticae_n de_fw-la mandaâ—ae_fw-la rectoribus_fw-la suis_fw-la ecclesiâ—_n que_fw-la ipsa_fw-la per_fw-la se_fw-la obire_fw-la satis_fw-la commodè_fw-la nequit_fw-la retinente_fw-la vero_fw-la dispensationem_fw-la illam_fw-la illudque_fw-la exercitium_fw-la quod_fw-la &_o ipsi_fw-la convenit_fw-la &_o pertinet_fw-la ad_fw-la ejus_fw-la lignitatem_fw-la authoritatem_fw-la &_o libertatem_fw-la à _fw-la christo_fw-la donatam_fw-la posit_n eccles_n l._n 3._o c._n 7._o and_o elsewhere_o he_o say_v imo_fw-la vero_fw-la est_fw-la &_o publica_fw-la clavium_fw-la tractatio_fw-la quam_fw-la plebes_fw-la christiana_n in_fw-la unum_fw-la coacta_fw-la sine_fw-la ullo_fw-la acrilegio_fw-la administrat_fw-la polit._n eccles_n l._n 3_o c._n 2_o p._n 8._o these_o testimony_n we_o think_v good_a to_o produce_v in_o this_o question_n lest_o any_o shall_v think_v that_o to_o give_v any_o church_n power_n of_o government_n to_o the_o people_n be_v some_o singular_a opinion_n of_o we_o swerve_v from_o the_o truth_n and_o disallow_v by_o orthodox_n writer_n of_o the_o reform_a church_n and_o no_o doubt_n but_o beside_o these_o here_o cite_v the_o same_o be_v teach_v by_o uther_n also_o who_o now_o we_o spare_v to_o allege_v intend_v only_a â—hese_n few_o for_o a_o taste_n instead_o of_o many_o 2._o and_o therefore_o when_o this_o question_n demand_v whether_o we_o give_v the_o exercise_n of_o all_o church_n power_n of_o government_n to_o the_o whole_a congregation_n or_o to_o the_o presbyter_n thereof_o alone_o our_o answer_n be_v neither_o thus_o nor_o so_o neither_o all_o to_o â—he_v people_n exclude_v the_o presbytery_n nor_o all_o to_o the_o presbytery_n exclude_v the_o people_n for_o this_o be_v to_o make_v the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n either_o mere_o democraticall_a or_o mere_o aristocratical_a neither_o of_o which_o we_o believe_v it_o ought_v to_o be_v 3._o whereas_o this_o 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iste_fw-la ordinationis_fw-la quatenus_fw-la necessarius_fw-la est_fw-la ad_fw-la ministri_fw-la constitutionem_fw-la in_o tali_fw-la casu_fw-la potest_fw-la legitimè_fw-la exerceri_fw-la bellarm_n enervat_fw-la lib._n 3._o de_fw-la clericis_fw-la cap._n 2_o de_fw-la ordinatione_fw-la and_o again_o a_o little_a after_o episcopos_fw-la veros_fw-la à _fw-la veris_fw-la episcopis_fw-la ordinariè_fw-la dicimus_fw-la ordinandâ—s_fw-la esse_fw-la sed_fw-la nomine_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la cui_fw-la ordinantur_fw-la and_o again_o a_o little_a after_o potestas_fw-la ordinandi_fw-la est_fw-la aliquâ—_n modo_fw-la originaliter_fw-la in_o tota_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la sicut_fw-la potestas_fw-la videndi_fw-la originaliter_fw-la est_fw-la in_o toto_fw-la animali_fw-la quamvis_fw-la formaliter_fw-la &_o subjectiuè_fw-la sit_fw-la in_o oculo_fw-la tantùm_fw-la tum_fw-la etiam_fw-la ordinationis_fw-la exercitium_fw-la pendet_fw-la à _fw-la tota_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la sicut_fw-la actus_fw-la videndi_fw-la 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