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to_o presbyter_n leave_v out_o take_v heed_n to_o yourselves_o and_o the_o flock_n etc._n etc._n in_o plain_a design_n to_o alter_v the_o office_n and_o parish_n church_n 10._o the_o oxford_n oath_n be_v not_o then_o impose_v to_o banish_v minister_n above_o five_o mile_n from_o all_o city_n and_o corporation_n and_o place_n where_o they_o have_v of_o late_a year_n preach_v so_o that_o their_o old_a flock_n or_o friend_n yea_o wife_n and_o child_n that_o can_v not_o follow_v they_o may_v not_o so_o much_o as_o see_v or_o hear_v such_o minister_n in_o their_o family_n or_o familiar_a converse_n that_o will_v have_v come_v to_o the_o public_a church_n and_o all_o nonconformist_a minister_n that_o take_v not_o the_o oath_n be_v thereby_o forbid_v to_o come_v to_o the_o parish_n church_n
to_o the_o anabaptist_n and_o quaker_n answ_n alas_o that_o such_o thing_n shall_v be_v the_o best_a to_o such_o a_o man_n by_o may_v go_v you_o mean_v 1._o lawful_o 2._o or_o eventual_o 3._o or_o for_o want_n of_o due_a hinder_v the_o reader_n may_v think_v that_o you_o by_o calumny_n father_n the_o first_o on_o i_o as_o if_o i_o say_v that_o so_o to_o go_v to_o the_o quaker_n be_v no_o sin_n whereas_o i_o still_o say_v that_o if_o they_o do_v but_o leave_v your_o church_n by_o any_o culpable_a error_n it_o be_v their_o sin_n 2._o and_o as_o to_o the_o event_n many_o not_o only_o may_v but_o do_v turn_v quaker_n papist_n and_o atheist_n 3._o and_o as_o to_o the_o three_o it_o be_v all_o the_o question_n here_o not_o whether_o we_o shall_v seek_v to_o save_v they_o but_o which_o be_v the_o true_a reasonable_a and_o allow_v mean_n whether_o it_o be_v the_o patron_n choose_v for_o all_o england_n the_o pastor_n to_o who_o care_n they_o must_v trust_v their_o soul_n and_o lay_v they_o in_o jail_n that_o will_v choose_v other_o or_o whether_o there_o be_v not_o a_o right_a way_n and_o again_o i_o say_v king_n and_o patron_n choose_v not_o man_n wife_n or_o physician_n or_o food_n and_o every_o man_n have_v a_o charge_n of_o his_o soul_n as_o well_o as_o of_o his_o life_n antecedent_n to_o the_o king_n or_o patron_n charge_n sect._n 6._o but_o why_o say_v he_o p._n 11._o v._n 115._o must_v the_o king_n bear_v all_o the_o blame_n if_o man_n soul_n be_v not_o provide_v for_o &_o c_o answ_n he_o that_o be_v the_o chooser_n must_v bear_v the_o blame_n the_o king_n for_o bishop_n and_o the_o patron_n for_o parish_n priest_n if_o they_o mischoose_v and_o do_v you_o think_v in_o your_o conscience_n that_o all_o the_o patron_n in_o england_n of_o so_o various_a mind_n and_o life_n be_v like_a to_o choose_v only_o such_o in_o who_o pastoral_a conduct_n all_o that_o care_n for_o their_o soul_n shall_v rest_v yea_o though_o the_o bishop_n must_v institute_n they_o as_o they_o 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they_o only_o look_v on_o those_o as_o true_a church_n which_o have_v such_o pastor_n who_o they_o approve_v answ_n equivocal_a word_n 1._o if_o they_o approve_v not_o those_o who_o they_o shall_v approve_v it_o be_v their_o sin_n 2._o approve_v be_v either_o of_o the_o necessary_n ad_fw-la esse_fw-la or_o only_o ad_fw-la melius_fw-la esse_fw-la they_o must_v not_o put_v the_o late_a for_o the_o former_a 3._o approve_v be_v by_o a_o govern_n or_o but_o a_o discern_a private_a judgement_n the_o first_o they_o have_v not_o but_o the_o late_a in_o good_a earnest_n will_v he_o have_v all_o the_o people_n take_v those_o for_o true_a pastor_n who_o they_o very_o think_v be_v none_o can_v they_o at_o once_o hold_v contradiction_n and_o if_o they_o must_v not_o judge_v as_o dissenter_n what_o mean_v mr._n dodwel_n and_o such_o man_n argument_n to_o prove_v all_o no_o minister_n that_o have_v not_o succession_n of_o episcopal_a ordination_n must_v not_o the_o people_n on_o that_o account_n disow_v they_o by_o his_o way_n sect._n 8._o p._n 119._o he_o bring_v in_o against_o we_o my_o word_n i_o take_v those_o for_o true_a church_n that_o have_v true_a pastor_n and_o those_o for_o none_o that_o have_v 1._o man_n uncapable_a of_o the_o pastoral_n office_n 2._o or_o not_o true_o call_v to_o it_o 3._o or_o that_o deny_v themselves_o the_o essential_a power_n answ_n he_o know_v that_o i_o speak_v not_o of_o equivocal_a but_o proper_a political_a church_n and_o be_v it_o possible_a that_o such_o a_o man_n shall_v dissent_v in_o this_o 1._o can_v he_o be_v a_o true_a pastor_n that_o be_v uncapable_a of_o the_o office_n shall_v i_o abuse_v time_n to_o confute_v gross_a contradiction_n or_o if_o he_o be_v a_o profess_a infidel_n can_v he_o be_v a_o christian_a pastor_n 2._o be_v a_o layman_n a_o true_a pastor_n that_o be_v not_o true_o call_v to_o it_o why_o then_o do_v they_o argue_v as_o mr._n dodwell_n or_o re-ordain_a man_n 3._o can_v a_o man_n be_v a_o pastor_n against_o 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severity_n 4._o yet_o all_o this_o be_v by_o a_o heretic_n note_v as_o a_o act_n against_o the_o church_n 5._o and_o all_o this_o be_v but_o about_o a_o patriarch_n and_o not_o a_o ordinary_a bishop_n and_o that_o at_o his_o imperial_a seat_n where_o it_o concern_v the_o emperor_n to_o have_v most_o regard_n 6._o and_o i_o tell_v you_o that_o prince_n be_v the_o judge_n who_o they_o shall_v tolerate_v whoever_o have_v the_o choice_n §_o 40._o he_o add_v when_o athanasius_n be_v restore_v constantius_n declare_v it_o be_v by_o the_o decree_n of_o the_o synod_n and_o by_o his_o consent_n answ_n 1._o if_o he_o mean_v here_o to_o intimate_v the_o exclusion_n of_o the_o people_n consent_n or_o choice_n he_o can_v scarce_o have_v name_v in_o history_n a_o instance_n more_o against_o himself_o than_o that_o of_o athanasius_n who_o thereby_o be_v bring_v in_o uphold_v and_o oft_o restore_v 2._o this_o history_n tell_v you_o the_o arian_n emperor_n be_v force_v to_o this_o consent_n to_o 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