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An apology for Congregational divines against the charge of ... : under which head are published amicable letters between the author and a conformist / by a Presbyterian : also a speech delivered at Turners-Hall, April 29 : where Mr. Keith, a reformed Quaker ... required Mr. Penn, Mr. Elwood ... to appear ... by Trepidantium Malleus ...
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Trepidantium Malleus.
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discovery Now you think you have hit it and stopt our Mouths 1 I am glad you are not yet come so far as to say God loves their Sins 2. But the strain of Scripture is Gods hating the wicked not their wickedness that they are Enemies c. 3. So God hateth the Sins of the Elect after Conversion as well as before and if no more was meant then hating their Sins God might say I be said as truly to hate them after Conversion as before Cp. But doth not God Love them as his Creatures Ct. Yes and so he doth the Non-elect and if you please you may say the Devils themselves what is that to our purpose Cp. I could bring you good Authors that thus assert Ct. Yes jnst as Colonel Danvers would meddle openly with Divines work who citing the Magdeburgensian History about Baptism mentioning a place where they were said to confess Sin when baptized Hence drew this Inference They knew nothing of Infant-Baptism for Infants could not confess Sin when the next Words prove they baptized Infants Nisi propter aetatem loqui non poterant What shall we call this So is it as false That the old Waldenses were against Infant-baptism tho the Papist charged them so they not baptising their Children sometimes so soon as they they sometimes wanting an Administrater their Preachers being abroad For Perin who wrote the best History of them tells us these words in their Confession of Faith and Catechism and for this reason we baptize Infants The learnedst Anabaptist once in England told me he advised the Colonel to confess this Fault and that he replied No I will do as Mr. Baxter when a thing is out make the best of it But where did Mr. B. so grosly corrupt History I am sure my Lord Lambert when he heard of the Book said Had Mrs. Danvers wrote a Book on that Subject he had not wondered but thought him unfit for it But by such ungodly Tricks and Cheats he made many go down into the Water he had his end and that was enough Mr. Tombs and my Lord Laurence took no such base Methods yet I grant a very few not many seem to say what you plead Cp. Return then to the Scriptures Ct. He that believeth in him is not condemned but he that believeth not is condemned already 1 John 8. Are not they Sons Children of God so by Adoption How then before sure you dream not as yet of an Eternal Adoption 1 Cor. 6.11 He shews they were not justified before Such were some of you 26 Acts 18. They are turned from Satan to God that they might receive Remission of Sin The Doctors Story of the Deer-stealer and such nasty Comparisons as Having a Knife in thy Hand to cut the Throat of Christ are loathsome And that I may appear impartially it was bad in Dr. Twisse to say God could not be such a Fool As in Parker to say an Almighty D. Or Twisse again As we cut the Throats of Fowls for our pleasure so c. Cp. You say we are justified by Faith we say freely without it and Beza puts the Point at the end of Justified 5 Rom. 15. being justified by Faith we have Peace with God But the Stream of the Chapter proves our reading and other places 3 Rom. 20.28 30. Therefore we conclude a Man is justified by Faith without the Deeds of the Law He justifieth the Circumcision by Faith and Uncircumcision through Faith if we have by Faith Peace with God is not this what you will not always grant Cp. But is not a Sinner as a Sinner justified and pardoned sure you will not deny this Ct. Sure I will deny it A Quatenus ad omne valet consequentia then would every Sinner be justified and pardoned for all Men are such It is the believing Sinner that is justified the repenting Sinner that is pardoned Cp. But we are grosly belyed As if we made our selves the Subjects of Christs Mediatorial Righteousness Ct. Your Adversary did not say it plainly but thought it the Consequence of your Doctrine tho I wish he had let it alone seeing you are irreconcilable about it Cp. Well Man is in no Sense justified by Works it is meer Popery Texpect no such thing Ct. I believe we may think you are no Papist you think not to be saved by good works for none do you do Read Was not Abraham justified by Works when he offered up Isaac on the Altar 2 James 21.25 Was not Rahab justified by Works when she received the Spies So that saith James a Man is justisied by Works and not by Faith only 24. ver Cp. But Luther called this Epistle the Strawy one and said Homo non justificatur ex operibus ut delirat Jacobus Ct. Whether Luther continued in that mind I know not The Learned Whitaker proves against this Charge of the Papist many of the Ancients not accounted Hereticks denied this Epistle And Willet as I remember in his Synopsis proves the same this was therefore Luther's Error Man is justified declaratively before Men Shew me thy Faith without thy Works I will shew thee my Faith by my Works 18. verse 22. Faith wrought with his Works not his Works with his Faith As the Body v. 26. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 without the Breath is dead so Faith without Works ik dead also The breath maketh not Man alive but proves him so They who plead for a Faith that worketh not are a scandal to the Protestant Religion James describes Religion from its Effects 1 Jam. 27. Pure Religion is to visit Fatherless c. having to deal with the Libertines or right Antinomians of that Age. Dr. Tully hath proved well that there is a declarative Justification 1. Coram hominibus 2. Coram Angelis 3. Coram ipso Deo Hereby I know thou fearest God 22 Gen. 12. God knew it sure before but Abraham gave another Proof of it before God This is evident was not the first Act of Justification that was long before Cp. I cannot get over what you said before 1 Rom. 23.24 Tho they were not beloved yet God might Love them before they were called or they might be loved tho not called Beloved Ct. Beloved is passive as Love is active To say tho they were not beloved yet God might love them will not hold here and to say God called them beloved pray mind the next Words Who were not beloved not Who were not called beloved Yet according to you they were called beloved Jacob have I loved Before he knew God did love them when in Sin before Conversion 2 Eph. 4. It is plainly said but it was not a complacential Love as I named before but with a Love of purpose or good will Cp. But you make Obedience good works the way to the Kingdom when Christ is the way the truth and the life You act for Life c. Ct. So Old Protestants before us plead that of Austin against the Papists Bona opera sunt via
ad regnum non causa regnandi as they did another Saying of his Bona opera non praecedunt justificandum sed sequuntur justificatum How often read you in Scripture such Phrases it may be Scores of Times in one Psalm 119. The path of thy Commandments The way of thy Precepts c Is there no Truth but Christ No Life but Christ Sometimes you say Christ is not in our Sermons It may be his Name is not in the Text in the Chapter Will you tare them out of the Bible For acting for Self sure if you think it a Weakness in Moses to have an Eye to the Recompence of Reward do you think it so in Christ who for the Joy that was set before him endured the Cross 12 Heb. 2. Mr. G. Firmin in that admirable piece The real Christian hath by the way corrected the Errors of some other men besides you that call this self love and hath proved that the 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 or self-love condemn'd in Scripture is senfual self that this self-love we speak of are we prest to in Scripture Thou mayst call thy self Christian but C. will call thee worker of iniquity I may say to such of you that talk of being the best Christians what Bp. Jewel says in his Apology about the Popes being Peters Successor In qua re in qua functione in qua parte vite illi successit Quid enim unquam aut Petrus Papae aut Papa Petro simile habuit So say I in what thing in what work in what part of thy Life followest thou Christ For wherein was Christ like thee or thou like him Is this true Without Holiness no Man shall see the Lord c. But tell me in short what is your Opinion Cp. I have given the Eccho without any change in me I believe my Sins are forgiven me that they are not mine but Christs he hath obeyed for me if I sin this contents me I am never sad about it I never confess fin when in a good frame nor beg Pardon of God for I know my sins were forgiven before committed Ct. I think you read not many Books no not the Bible but one Book I am sure you and all your Brethren have read Cp. What Book is that I Pray you are so consident of Ct. Your Horn-book and there you learnt Forgive us our Trespasses Well if you minded Hollowed be thy Name thy will be done on Earth Tho I believe well of some call'd Antinomians and too deservedly they are upright in the main yet as for you and such as you you are some of the Eldest Sons the Devil hath Not confess Sin nor beg Pardon Words one would think too big for the Mouth of the Devil Cp. I Pray have you read Dr. Crisp's book throughout It is the best Book in the World I dare defend it Ct. No I read it not all I was Sick to read so much Cp. This it is to censure a Book and not read all Ct. You I doubt censure Books you read none of And some of them that put their hands to the Book I hear confess they read it not over which is worse But you that are so hot Did you ever read it over Cp. I little thought you would ask me that Question But I will not lye for I confess I never read one quarter of the book over yet I doubt not all is sound Ct. I am glad you would not tell a Lye nor look on it as a part of your Christian Liberty but if you had committed such a small sin you would not have added a greater to be troubled for it Cp. No for I am not the Lyar for Dr. Crisp well observes Thou art not the Idolater or Thief So I not the Lyar then the Doct. speaketh very comfortably Sin can do me no hurt And that after the greatest Sins I could commit I must as certainly conclude I am Pardon'd before any Humiliation as after say what you will he was the most Gospel Preacher in the World Ct. You will find somewhat else is to be minded besides Comforrt Your Gospel you know is a Lawless Gospel And I declare I never heard an Antinominian Sermon in my days till I heard the Reverend Linen-Draper When Heresy and Nonsense and Impudence seem'd to contend which should make him most infamous Cp. But what have you to say against Dr. Crisp All the world shall not convince me but he was a very Good Man Ct. Who denys he was Or if it might be denyed It is in vain to at tempt it to a Man resolv'd never to believe it Have I not said enough already why I am displeas'd with him See what woful work he makes of Faiths being an Eccho 493 296. Cp. But I am angry with them that say Men are not justified till they believe and that Faith is the Vniting Grace when it follows Vnion John 15. 5. Confounds you all Ct. Were the Controversy about a Priority of Nature I would not contend Our Act of Faith and Gods Act of justifying are coeval and instantaneous Acts but it is a Priority of time you plead for from Eternity from the Womb in the higth of all wickedness You must know there is a great diflerence between Vniting and Vnion as is between Marrying and Married Cp. What more displeaseth you Ct. That tho Christ sayeth My Father loveth me because I lay down my Life for my sheep Yet the Doctor talks of his being separate from God odious to him as sin being on him I know not how more then by imputation sure Doth the Judge hate a substitute punisht for anothers fault Volenti non sit injuria by the way he may so punish Doth he hate him as the actual Murtherer Traytor Thief 4â—8 Also he talks at a wild rate 98 Of Pouring Physick down the throat c. Prosper says well Voluntas in tantum libera in quantum liberata And we all say acta agit mota movit prius a Deo conversa convertit se ad Deum And his Sixteenth Sermon against Evidences is intolerable Sin doth no hurt Duties no good c. Cp. But you tell Men they should be troubled for Sin even Believers for their falls and faults Ct. Why was not David so Was not sin his burthen Cp. What David did he did of himself and he erred as when he said hath the Lord forgotten to be Gracious c Ct. Hold thou thy Tongue thou Blasphemous Corrupter of Scripture I think not this thy bold impudent assertion worth Confutation We thus might lose the best of Psalms the Penitential Psalm Psal 51. Sinned Peter when he went out and wept bitterly Or the three Thousand when pricked at the heart by Peters Sermon As in the natural birth there is no bringing forth without pain tho not in all alike so in the Spiritual Birth If a child cry not when born a cry is in the Room it is a dead Child Apply it you as you will Cp. If