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B05064 A modest answer to Dr. Stillingfleet's Irenicum: by a learned pen. Rule, Gilbert, 1629?-1701. 1680 (1680) Wing R2223; ESTC R203177 121,671 175

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private_a rebuke_n the_o rebuker_n may_v forgive_v he_o 3_o way_n 1._o by_o not_o charge_v he_o any_o more_o with_o guiltiness_n but_o look_v on_o he_o as_o one_o who_o the_o lord_n have_v pardon_v that_o this_o be_v call_v forgiveness_n in_o scripture_n be_v clear_a 2_o cor._n 2.7_o 10._o where_o the_o whole_a church_n be_v command_v thus_o to_o forgive_v the_o excommunicate_v man_n who_o have_v repent_v 2._o by_o exercise_v that_o christian_a familiar_a love_n towards_o he_o which_o we_o ought_v not_o to_o exercise_n towaad_v they_o who_o live_v in_o sin_n 3._o by_o forbear_v to_o bring_v the_o matter_n to_o any_o more_o public_a hear_n which_o have_v not_o the_o party_n repent_v have_v be_v his_o duty_n now_o this_o give_v not_o a_o power_n of_o excommunicate_v and_o release_n to_o a_o private_a person_n but_o only_o a_o power_n of_o the_o prudent_a use_n of_o our_o own_o charity_n his_o second_o answer_n be_v the_o same_o only_o build_v on_o another_o scripture_n matth._n 18.20_o 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to_o bring_v scandal_n before_o the_o church_n that_o which_o he_o add_v p._n 223._o that_o christ_n here_o speak_v as_o to_o a_o ordinary_a case_n and_o in_o allusion_n to_o what_o be_v then_o in_o use_n among_o the_o jew_n which_o be_v to_o reprove_v one_o another_o command_v leu._n 19.17_o and_o for_o neglect_v of_o which_o jerusalem_n be_v think_v to_o be_v destroy_v by_o r._n chamna_n this_o i_o say_v be_v nothing_o to_o the_o purpose_n for_o i_o suppose_v these_o reproof_n leu._n 19.17_o and_o which_o be_v mention_v by_o that_o rabbi_n be_v not_o only_o for_o private_a injury_n but_o main_o for_o sin_n against_o god_n wherefore_o this_o consideration_n make_v not_o a_o little_a against_o the_o design_n for_o which_o it_o be_v bring_v p._n 224._o he_o will_v not_o have_v the_o church_n here_o speak_v of_o to_o be_v the_o christian_a church_n because_o say_v he_o christ_n be_v speak_v to_o a_o present_a case_n and_o lay_v down_o a_o present_a remedy_n now_o if_o he_o lay_v down_o 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