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A57854 An answer to Dr. Stillingfleet's Irenicum by a learned pen. Rule, Gilbert, 1629?-1701. 1680 (1680) Wing R2217; ESTC R31782 123,510 178

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case_n present_o practicable_a more_o than_o he_o do_v when_o he_o impower_v his_o apostle_n and_o charge_v they_o concern_v their_o work_n matth._n 16._o 19_o john_n 20._o 23._o mal._n 28._o 19_o and_o yet_o will_v have_v they_o to_o delay_v a_o while_n before_o they_o shall_v put_v all_o that_o power_n in_o act_n luke_n 24._o 49._o and_o indeed_o we_o have_v far_o better_a cause_n to_o think_v that_o he_o be_v tell_v his_o people_n what_o to_o do_v in_o the_o after_o and_o ordinary_a time_n of_o his_o church_n than_o what_o they_o shall_v do_v in_o that_o present_a and_o extraordinary_a case_n when_o the_o church_n be_v not_o yet_o frame_v and_o when_o they_o have_v himself_o personable_o to_o go_v to_o for_o direction_n two_o however_o we_o maintain_v that_o this_o rule_n as_o it_o serve_v for_o our_o time_n so_o may_v it_o serve_v for_o that_o time_n in_o which_o it_o be_v speak_v for_o if_o the_o case_n have_v then_o fall_v out_o though_o there_o be_v not_o the_o ordinary_a 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cause_n i_o may_v also_o show_v that_o the_o same_o office_n and_o work_n be_v every_o where_o in_o scripture_n lay_v on_o both_o these_o and_o that_o never_o any_o thing_n be_v give_v to_o the_o one_o but_o what_o be_v give_v to_o the_o other_o but_o this_o have_v be_v do_v and_o other_o argument_n manage_v full_o by_o our_o writer_n against_o episcopacy_n neither_o have_v mr._n still_v have_v the_o confidence_n to_o answer_v they_o though_o destroy_v this_o his_o assertion_n and_o therefore_o i_o shall_v supersede_n this_o labour_n for_o the_o name_n of_o angel_n of_o the_o church_n the_o argument_n bring_v from_o it_o be_v not_o we_o but_o our_o opposite_n sect._n 12._o his_o 2d_o argument_n for_o the_o uncertainty_n of_o apostolical_a practice_n p._n 290._o be_v that_o the_o place_n of_o scripture_n most_o in_o controversy_n about_o the_o form_n of_o government_n may_v be_v without_o any_o incongruity_n understand_v of_o either_o of_o the_o different_a form_n which_o he_o make_v 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