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A44866 A vindication of the essence and unity of the church catholike visible, and the priority thereof in regard of particular churches in answer to the objections made against it, both by Mr. John Ellis, Junior, and by that reverend and worthy divine, Mr. Hooker, in his Survey of church discipline / by Samuel Hudson ... Hudson, Samuel, 17th cent. 1650 (1650) Wing H3266; ESTC R11558 216,698 296

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their writings It may more truly be affirmed to be the opinion of some of our brethren of the Congregational way who put government into the body of the Congregation whether M. Ellis be of that opinion or no I cannot say and so they are a particular governing body and if all the Churches in the world were of that way as certainly they desire and these Churches might in any sense be called one Church as is confest by all that they may then they must needs be one governing body But as they are now they not only govern their own body but passe the censure of Non-communion against all persons nay whole Churches if they judge there be cause But the Presbyterians hold that governments belong to the Organs i. e. the Officers of the Church not to the body It is for good of the body but belongs not to the body to exercise The Church-Catholike is the subject in quo exercetur or cui datur non ad utendum sed ad fruendum Neither are the Officers of the Church-Catholike one constant collective governing body actually but habitually for constantly and actually they are distributed into several Congregations for the exercise of government there But if the necessity of the whole when it could be or of any great part of the body call the Officers of many particular Churches together which may be by themselves or their Commissioners then can they exercise their office collectively conjunctim yet only according to the word of God And this M. Ellis granteth in effect p. 7.8 only he saith their power being met is only consultatory and suasory not obligatory it is the acting of officers but not as Officers but I suppose he cannot think that consultatory and suasory power is sufficient to cure the Church of the malady of obstinate hereticks whose mouths saith the Apostle must be stopped And though the universal constant actual power of government was given to the Apostles only yet we see they did joyn with the particular Elders in the government of their Churches when they were among them and did also joyn them with themselves in making decrees to binde the Churches Act. 15.6 and Act. 16.4 But fearing lest he had granted something too much in his former answer he plucks away part of it in his sixt and saith that the Apostles were not one joint Ministery For besides that each had intire power some had one part committed to them and some another Thomas sortitus est Parthiam Andreas Scythiam Johannes Asiam c. Answ The Apostles did first act in Jerusalem as one joint combined ministery and did afterward disperse themselves into several parts of the world according to their commission yet retained their power of uniting and acting together jointly without any delegation or commission from any Churches and this power of their 's no ordinary Ministers lay claim to And though the planting and watering of Churches required this dispersion and several lots voluntarily yet were they fixed in no Congregation as Elders are Seventhly He denyeth the consequence of a Church-Catholike visible from that place and that he proves by a parallel supposing such like words had been said of the whole world for civil government his words are these If it follow not when we say God hath set in the world some Emperors some Kings some Princes some inferiour Officers and Magistrates therefore the world is but one governing Kingdom and all particular Kingdoms do but govern in the right of the Kingdom of the world in common the Officers whereof are the Kings of the several Kingdoms c. Neither doth it follow that because the Scripture saith God hath set some in the Church Apostles c. therefore the Church throughout the world is but one Congregation to whose Officers first as the general Officers of the whole Church not by way of distribution but as a notionally at least collected body of Officers the power of government is committed c. Answ He hath not paralleled the question rightly but it should run thus Suppose there were one Emperour over all the Kingdoms of the earth and he should set down one form of government and enrowlment for freedom in the whole world for such as will be his subjects and should first set 12 Presidents over the whole world to abide so for their life time as extaordinary Officers and for ordinary standing Officers should set in the several Provinces or Kingdoms several Officers that should rule under him or them in their several places and yet appoint that as every free member of the whole though his fixed habitation be in one place yet is free of the whole habitually and upon occasion can make use of it to trade freely in any place so the several governours though ordinarily fixedly and actually they constantly govern their own Provinces yet upon occasion of difference danger or for the good of the whole or any great part of the same they shall have power to convene either all if it may be or some of them by way of delegation to act for the good of the whole or so many Provinces as the matter concerns and their delegation is for Whether would not this prove the world one intire Empire and body politick habitually And so is the case of the Church-Catholike But take earthly monarchies as they have been on earth and we finde that the several kingdoms of the Empires did enjoy their several liberties with respect had to the whole that nothing should be prejudicial to the Empire that the Emperour should have no damage Dan. 6.2 And yet in reference to the Emperour and some certain common laws they were one monarchy Because the Emperour could send messengers and Officers of any countrey and commands to them all and all were to take care in their places for the whole though haply there was no general convention of all Officers and to keep as much as lay in them neighbour Kingdoms from rebelling even where they had no ordinary jurisdiction and to subdue them to the Emperour if they did rebel and yet not retain ordinary power over them Now these things agree to this spiritual monarchy the Church yea and much more For they are all one in the head one in all the laws and in one form of government and ought all to do what they do in reference to the whole as to admit every where into the whole by baptism to eject out of the whole by excommunication to keep any neighbour Church from defection and to reduce them if fallen off though they have no ordinary jurisdiction over them Christ can send a Minister out of any Kingdom into any not only occasionally pro tempore as a messenger but settle him there as an Officer and call back or remove him any whither else And therefore the Church-Catholike is one Kingdom in general and yet particular rights and liberties of particular Churches be preserved so far as may stand with the good of the
the subjects of Christs Ecclesiastical Kingdom ●unne parallel further with the subjects of a civil Kingdom they all being Christians Why may not the combination also run parallel and the denomination be parallel for transaction of common Ecclesiastical affairs as well as civil if prudence so dictate it and the Churches in a hundred if they lie convenient combine ●to a Classis as well as into a hundred for civil transaction And the Classes into a Province as well as hundreds into a County or Shire and the Provinces into a national Church as well as the Counties into a civil Kingdom and seeing Christs Ecclesiastical Kingdom reacheth over many Kingdoms why may they not make one habitual Church-Catholike as well as many Kingdoms under the same laws and head make one Empire The actuality indeed may cease where the constant or frequent community of acting ceaseth whether at the Congregation or Classis where all the Officers are combined in frequent common acting or at the National Church where the civil community ceaseth and so the frequent occasion of common acting by delegates cease I determine not but the habituality ceaseth not in the whole Church-Catholike visible I shall first speak of the combination of particular Congregations into a Presbyterial Church Sect. 2. commonly called for distinction sake a Classis That there may be a college or body of Elders that can act conjunction as well as divisim appears from 1 Tim. 4.14 where the Presbytery are said to lay their hands on Timothy There is the name and thing and their acting conjunctim in Ordination which was not the Presbytery of a single Church or at least not so considered in their Ordination of an Evangelist an itinerant universal actual officer under the Apostles Our brethren also in New-England joyn the Elders of divers Congregations together in ordaining Elders for a new-erected Congregation and not only the erecting of new Congregations will require it necessarily but the supplying of other Congregations vacant by death for there are but few Congregations so well stored with preaching Presbyters as can ordain new ones if one or two of them die Also we finde an Eldership acting together Act. 15.6 The Apostles and Elders came together to consider of this matter Also Act. 11.30 and Act. 21.18 Christ gave the keys to the Apostles together Mat. 28.19 Go ye and teach and baptize c. who though they received their extraordinary calling of Apostleship for themselves only yet they received the ministerial office for all succeeding Ministers and we finde no other especial donation of the keys and this appears by the following words Lo I am with you alway even to the end of the world which must needs be meant of the succeeding Ministers for the Apostles were not to last to the end of the world neither their persons nor their office Therefore as the Apostles could from that donation exercise the keys conjunctim divisim in their extraordinary function so may the Presbyters exercise theirs also and some keys cannot be used but conjunctim as in Ordination and dispensing censures and if Elders of several Congregations can act together as Elders in ordination even in New-England and in censures much more th●● in a greater body And if our brethren in New-England dared admit private men to lay on their hands in ordination of their Ministers doubtlesse they would appoint some of their own private members to do it that so according to their tenet they might enjoy all Gods Ordinances independently in their particular Congregations and not admit of a forreign Officer to come and act as an Officer among them That divers Congregations may combine and make one Presbyterial Church appears by divers instances in the New Testament The Congregations in Jerusalem are called one Church Act. 8.1 Act. 11.22 Act. 15.4 The Congregations in Antioch are called one Church Act. 1● 1 and Act. 11.26 The Congregations in Ephesus are called one Church Act. 20.17 Rev. 2.1 And the Congregations in Corinth mentioned in the plural number 1 Cor. 14.34 are called one Church 1 Cor. 1.2 and 2 Cor. 1.1 Now that there were several Congregations in each of these cities appears because there were in each of them so great a multitude of beleevers as that they could not meet together to partake of all Gods Ordinances especially if we consider that they had no publike eminent buildings for meeting-houses but met privately 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Act. 2.46 in an upper room Act. 1.13 and in the house of Mary Act. 12.12 in the school of Tyrannus Act. 19.9 in the house of Aquila and Priscilla 1 Cor. 16.19 in Pauls hi●ed house at Rome Act. 28.30 in the house of Nymphas Colos 4.15 c. therefore called the Church in their houses And this manner of meeting continued in the times of persecution in that age and some succeeding Also it appears by the multitude of Church-Officers Elders Prophets and Teachers that were in each of them which could not busie themselves in one Congregation and sure they were not idle in those daies Also by the variety of languages especially at Jerusalem Act. 2.5 8. c. See these and other arguments of this nature more fully explained and more particularly proved and applied in Jus Div. part 2. chap. 13. And if these Churches were such as in all rational probability they were then that position That there are no other Ecclesiastical societies instituted by Christ but particular Congregational-Churches will not hold good and the Basis of the Congregational way will fail and the partition wall that seemeth thereby to be between them and the Presbyterians must fall down And this unity of these Churches was not a spiritual unity in regard of saving grace for all the members had not that nor in regard of judgement belief heart and way for that was common to all the Christian● in the world but a political union by an especial Ecclesiastical obligation together though we finde no mention of any explicit Covenant as the constituent form of the particular Churches nor only in regard of the administration of Word Sacraments and Praier for these were dispersed in their several Congregations and could not be jointly together in regard of their multitudes Neither were they one in reference to the Apostles general power and office only they being universal Pastors for so the universal Church over the whole world was one but in regard of the common Presbytery whereby they were governed constantly and the Apostles themselves being in these several Churches did act as co-Presbyters with their Elders and so they call themselves Elders 1 Pet. 5. ● and Joh. 2. And though indeed it cannot be peremptorily affirmed that these Presbyterial Churches had their several Elders fixed to their several Congregations yet that as I conceive varies not the question at all And yet it is very probable that the Elders in those cities did divide those cities between them for particular teaching and inspection of
long-sufferance for a pattern 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 to them that should or shall hereafter beleeve on him But these things are mysteries and I dare not be too confident in them yet should they come to passe they infringe not this truth because their conversion shall come from the head root and fountain it self of the Church as Abrahams call was And no question but Christ did convert many in the daies of his flesh when he was actually and visibly a member of the Church here below And if any be converted by secret inspiration or revelation and neither converted nor fed by any external Ordinances as haply some infants of heathens or any Philosophers as Plato if haply there were any so converted they are not to be accounted of the visible Church and so not belonging to this question There is a double rise of the particular Churches out of the general First All Congregations are made up of the members of the Church Entitive or of persons that are visible beleevers and their children which are holy being born in the Covenant Secondly Consider the Church-Catholike as Christs Kingdom or Corporation already invested with Evangelical Ordinances and Priviledges and it affords a twofold rise to those that are added to them First They are instrumental by their preaching godly conversation and sometimes by their sufferings to convert those that are aliens from the Common-wealth of Israel Secondly They give them ministerially their admittance entrance and as I may say freedom in the Church both as private members and if any of them be ordained Officers it is by such as are Officers before and not quâ Officers of the particular Churches for it is an extrinsecal act to them as so considered but of the general And in the erecting of a new Congregation in New-England there is to be the consent advice and help of the Elders of neighbour-Churches they are not only to allow thereof but also to ordain them Elders which cannot be an act of particular Officers for it is no act toward their own flocks it is extraneous to them but it is as they are are habitually general Officers and this occasion draws forth their power for the good and encrease of the whole Sect. 6. If it be asked What is sufficient to make a man a member of the visible Church I answer knowledge and belief of the main points of the Christian faith and professed subjection thereunto And this is as much as the Apostles required as in the case of the Eunuch and Simon Magus c. and if it were sufficient then it is so still for those were the purest Churches erected by infallible men and yet they went upon no other grounds So many as gladly received the word were baptized Act 2 41. And yet this is no more then may be found in an hypocrite out of novelty sudden flashes admiration at the extraordinary gifts and miracles and was found in the stony ground which received the word with joy And we have no other rule to go by in gathering Churches or receiving members into a Church then they had neither may we presume to make any other Sic omnes ferè Reformati Theologi celebres materiam visibilis Ecclesiae asserunt esse homines externè vocatos fidem Christi profitentes namque definiunt caetum hominum vocatione externa seu praedicatione verbi Sacramentorum communicatione evocatorum ad cultum Dei societatem Ecclesiasticam inter se celebrandam Apol. p. 8. Vide etiam utrumque Trelcatium in locis com Loc. de Ecclesia Professores L●idenses Disp 40. Thes 3. It is true God commands true piety and no man shall see Gods face in blisse nor be of the invisible company without it But I speak what is requisite in fora Ecclesiae and what matter must be for a visible Church and then I conceive it is not absolutely requisite that the persons should be truly godly to make them members thereof For if it were otherwise no man could tell when he is in a true Church or who are true members or whose childe ought to be baptized And if the living members of Christ were the only or essential members of a visible Church then none are true essential members but they and a truly godly Minister is a more essential Minister then another and the Ordinances administred by him are more essentially administred then by another and then the vertue of the Ordinance should depend not on Christs Institution but on the worthinesse of the person administring And haply after many years living under a Minister that seemed godly that Minister by falling away shews himself that he was not so and then all those Ordinances were null being administred by one that was not only no Minister but no true member of the Church I therefore conclude with that saying of Ames in his Bellarm. Enervat Falsum est internas virtutes requiri a nobis ut aliquis sit in Ecclesia quo ad visibilem ejus statum And this M. Norton in Resp ad Apollon p. 3. acknowledgeth Potest aliquis in externa Ecclesiae communionem admitti qui reali sanctitate regenerationis justificante fide non est praeditus seu qui rigido examine exploratus signa verae fidei sanctitatis internae realis tam eviden●ia non dederit quae omnem conscientiam hominum convincere possint a● sincer á ejus fide c. Neque necessariò quaerendum an articulatim possint demonstrare evidentiae verae gratiae salutaris 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 c. but only they must be fideles 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 as he expresseth himself in divers places they must be Ecclesiastice fidelos apparenter c. non semper 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 pag. 11. In casibus Ecclesiasticis Iudas reverâ non fidelis ita aestimandus a co-Apostolis ut se gerant erga illum ac si esset fidelis p. 12. There may be a holinesse of dedication and consecration where there is no true holinesse of regeneration and sanctification Object But holinesse of dedication and consecration is founded upon holinesse of sanctification at least supposed and therefore all the Church-members ought to have supposed sanctification Answ That sanctification is commanded by God to every one that will dedicate himself unto God is clear But for the supposition of it in all it will be hard to prove God enjoyned his people of Israel to consecrate themselves unto him to be his people yet he did not suppose them all to be godly for he expresseth the contrary of them neither did Moses and Aaron suppose so of them not the Prophets for they expresse the quite contrary And if we come to the New Testament it cannot be conceived that Iohn Baptist or Christs Apostles did in their personal judgements apprehend all those to be truly godly whom they baptized and dedicated to God For Iohn called the Scribes and Pharisees a generation of
is seated properly in the eye or reason is given to the whole man and yet is seated in the understanding Christ hath given all his Ordinances to his visible Church for the publike dispensation of which he hath instituted Church-Officers to whom he hath committed that power respectively these officers are distributed among and setled in their several Congregations and there actually and constantly dispense their Ordinances to them as by their office they are enabled according to the word and yet because there are some things of common concernment with other Congregations and of greater moment and difficuly then can be transacted by a few Elders in a particular Congregation therefore upon such occasions they make act conjunctim with the Elders of other Congregations and may also dispense both Word and seals occasionally to other Congregations upon a call by opportunity want or desire of other Congregations Yet do not the Presbyterians hold that the particular Churches or Officers act by authority of and commission from the one entire single Common-wealth Corporation and Congregation of the whole company of Christians on earth as M. Ellis is pleased to set it down to render their tenets odious but they hold that every Minister by vertue of his office hath an immediate habitual power from Christ to dispense his Ordinances but the con●tant exerting and exercise of this power is called forth into act by that parcel of the Church-Catholike which hath given him a call to take the particular immediate inspection and care over them in the Lord yet upon occasion for the honour of God the vindicating of his truth the suppressing of more general errours and scandals the propagating of the Gospel and the good of others as God gives opportunity it may be exerted and exercised in other places and to other persons so confusion and disorder be avoided Neither do the National Churches act by commission from the Catholike nor the Provincial from the National nor the Classis from the Provincial nor the Congregational from the Classis but every Minister acts by commission from Jesus Christ by vertue of his Office And the Congregational Eldership is first in acting though last in Christs intention in instituting the office Every drop of water is similar to the whole element and is cold and moist but receive not those qualities from the whole Element but hath them immediatly in its self and though it actually exerts them only where it is placed and applied yet hath an habitual power to exert them any where else if applied So the Church-Officers have their powder neither from the Church Catholike nor from their particular Congregation but from their office which they receive from Christ though ministerially admitted thereto by the Presbytery which power though ordinarily and constantly they exert in their own Congregation yet can elsewhere upon a call Neither do the Presbyterians say that the Church-Catholike or the whole campary of Christians on earth are in their ordinary and setled Church-constitution one entire single Common-wealth Corporation and Congregation actually but one habitual Common-wealth and Corporation made up by the aggregation of all the single actual Congregations of Christians in the world as an Empire of all the Provinces and Kingdoms under it and that beside the particular actual constant affairs of the Congregations which are properly to be managed by such as are the particular actual Officers thereof there are some things that concern more then themselves and those are to be transacted as such occasions arise by the Officers of so many Congregations as they concern they belonging properly to the cognizance of Officers as Officers and if those matters be of more general concernment then that all the Officers concerned therein can meet without confusion to transact them then they are to delegate some choice Officers from the several vicinities to transact them as hath been shewed before and as the call of the Congregation draweth forth the power of the Officers to act among them constantly so this delegation cals forth their power to act occasionally pro tempore in this greater meeting The case was once that Totus mundus ingemuit sub Arianisino this concerned the whole or the greater part and could not be cured by particular Officers as particular in their several Congregations divisim and therefore required a more general meeting of Officers to whom by reason of their office it did appertain to consider of it and suppresse it conjunctim by confutations and censures and these having done the work they were called forth unto then are to return to their particular charges again for this work is but occa●ional and these occasions fall out very rarely This makes not the whole Church-Catholike under one actual constant regiment Yet because in Churches that are near together in a vicinity matters of common concernment or that require the help of more Elders then one or two Congregations can afford will frequently and constantly occurre and if there be not a set time and place appointed by consent for a certain number of Officers of that vicinity to meet they will be drawn together with much difficulty charge labour trouble and confusion and with lesse certainty as appears by the case of M. Ward in the Netherlands who being unjustly cast out of his place could not under two years get a meeting of neighbour-Elders to hear and right his cause and when he had obtained a meeting it was ●ut of very few viz. the Elders of Aruheim as I have been enformed therefore it is conceived that there should be a certain time and place appointed for the Elders of such a vicinity as are in combination for mutual assistance to meet in M. Ellis mistakes the state of the question in saying the Ministers and Elders of the Catholike Church not taken severally but jointly as one entire College or Presbytery have the charge severally and jointly of the whole and every particular Church committed to them vind pag. 9. For they are not actually Ministers and Elders of the Church-Catholike nor actually one entire College and Presbytery nor have not actually the charge of the whole and every particular Church but habitually only by reason of the indefinitenesse of their office They have power in actu primo by vertue of their office but not in actu secundo sive exercito they have jus ad rem every where but not in re any where without a call They are the Ministers of Jesus Christ and thereby have right and power to perform the acts belonging to their office but for the execution of it either in a particular Church constantly or conjunctim occasionally with others there is required a call thereunto And the not observing of this distinction is the cause of this difference in this question The Levites were by their office consecrated to do the service of the Tabernacle and to stand before the Congregation to minister unto them Numb 16.9 And the Priests to offer sacrifice and
Congregational Church for there can be no appeals to that it being the lowest Church that can be The particular Synagogues were rather Types of the Congregational Churches for they are called by the same name Jam. 1.2 And the Ministers under the Gospel are called by the same names that the indefinite Officers of the Jewish Church were viz. Priests and Levites Isa 66.21 which place is spoken of the time under the Gospel And if it be granted that the Ministers of the Gospel be given to the whole Church as the Priests and Levites were indefinitely to the whole Church of the Jews notwithstanding any particular relation to the particular Synagogues and places they resided in and taught or judged in it is as much as I contend for And if by mystical he meaneth the elect only or entitively only it could not be a type of the Church-Catholike so for the Jewish Church was visible and organical His second proof is from Mat. 18. Tell the Church which saith he was a particular Congregation which was endued with entire power even to excommunication Whatsoever ye shall binde c. Answ This was not the Institution neither was there any donation of the keys but a supposal of the keys in the particular Churches which is a thing confessed by all and this power was also in the Jewish Synagogues But this is not spoken exclusively that this power is no where else If the rulers of the Synagogue had power to excommunicate to which it is like Christ alluded in that speech then much more the Sanedrim or highest Court and so I conceive it is in the Church of the New Testament If the least combination of Elders have this power given them for matters that concern that Congregation only then much more a greater company and combination for matters that concern a greater part of the Church under their combination and for matters of greater moment then can be transacted by the smaller company But the donation of the keys was to the Apostles together and they were general Officers and stood in relation to no particular Church and therefore the keys come to the particular Congregation or Ministry there as to parts of the whole company of Organs yet immediatly and not by commission from any Catholike Court. His third proof is because the first execution of the greatest act of entire power was exercised in a particular Church without consulting with the universal Church though the Apostles were then surviving 1 Cor. 5. Answ For ought that I know the Church of Corinth was a Classical Church and not a meer Congregational one for there were Churches in it 1 Cor. 14.34 Besides the probability that Cenchrea was a member thereof But Sir who requires the consulting with the Church-Catholike in admitting or ejecting members Or did the particular Synagogues consult with the Sanedrim or the whole Church of the Jews when they excommunicated any man Surely they had work enough to do then His fourth proof or argument is Because entire power was committed to particular men viz. the Apostles severally and to all jointly and therefore not to one visible governing Church Vind. p. 23. Answ By this argument it appears the power is given not to the Congregation but to the Ministers whose representatives the Apostles were in receiving the keys severally and jointly which is as much as the Presbyterians require viz. that the Ministers have power to exercise their ordinary power jointly together upon a call as well as severally in their particular Congregations as the Apostles did their extraordinary Their receiving the keys together signifyed their representation of the Ministers not multiplyed only as M. Ellis would evade it but conjoyned His fifth argument is from the reproofs given by Christ to the 7. several Churches in the Revelation and not to the combination of them though near one another Answ For ought appears they might be all Presbyterial Churches and not Congregational only The Church of Ephesus was one and that was of more Congregations then one as hath been shewed before But how doth this prove these Churches were nor or might not actually have been in combination if civil authority would have permited Were not the Elders of the several Churches worthy of blame for not doing their duty in their several Churches Or will combinations of Congregations now in Classes or Provinces free their Ministers from blame in neglecting their du●●es in their particular Congregations A Classis or Synod is not to be blamed for the faults in a particular Congregation which ought to be censured in the particular and not there neither indeed can be except they had been brought before them The several Churches there had their several faults and therefore though the Epistle is written to the seven yet it was needful the reproofs should be applied to rhem severally And yet some think that the whole Epistle was writeen and sent to all the 7. Churches from Rev. 1.4 11. His second sort of Arguments are from the matter and members of the Church Sect. 9. and he makes it necessary that the whole Church should be gathered together into one place as the Jewish Church was and Corporations in their hals and Kingdoms in their Parliaments And this he saith I deny against all experience and reason Vind. p. 24. Answ This hath been answered before among the Objections I adde further that though usually it is so that there are some general meetings in worldly polities that are several actual governments yet it is not alwaies so as hath been shewed and where it is so it is a fruit and effect and token of liberty but ariseth not meerly from unity because there have been polities that had them not for this Kingdom was one a good while before there were any Parliaments and after they were granted they were but occasional and so there may be occasional meetings in general Councels only the vastnes of the Church and diversity of civil governments and governours render them very difficult in our daies But he saith that such an oneness as is in regard of kinde and nature in all the Churches and in relation to the same head and in order to and dependance upon one rule or Law the word of God is no actual or real onenesse but in imagination and conceit Ans It is not actual indeed but habitual as hath been said many times over yet it is real as well as the four monarchies were real monarchies and not in imagination only and conciet He might as well make the head of the Church and the Laws of the Church and the Covenant of grace and the seals of the Covenant to be but imaginary and in conceit as the Church-Catholike for they are the bonds of the unity and real visible bonds make not an imaginary integral but a real And where I pray is this onenesse denyed by the brethren as you alledge Vin. p. 24. The enlargement and confirmation of this argument A non existentiâ
Middleburgh and Strasburgh and other places yet because it maketh most for edification and order to have them fixed I shall think they were until the contrary shall be proved but however they ruled in common in the exercise of discipline which is the Ordinance which our brethren are most unwilling to grant should be exercised out of the particular Congregation Sect. 5. Seventhly That Church to which every Christian first bears relation and which relation continueth last and cannot be broken by him without sin is the first Church but such is the Church-Catholike visible Therefore c. The major is undenyable The minor appears because none can be admitted into a particular Congregation except he be judged first of the Church-Catholike and that not meerly Entitive but under the seal of the Covenant administred by some Officer and so stands bound to submit himself to all Christs Ordinances and Officers by one of which he receives his admission So again though he change his habitation never so often bear relation to never so many particular Congregations one after another yet in all those the general relation holdeth stil he is still a baptized visible member of the Church-Catholike and therefore to be received whereever he cometh into any particular Congregation Yea in the interim after his breaking off from one Congregation and placing in another he retains the general relation and baptism and is not an heathen or infidel he is not one without in the Apostles phrase Yea suppose a man should be a Traveller Merchant or Factor and setled in no particular Congregation yet being a Christian he is a member of the Church-Catholike yea and if he breach any errours or live inordinately he shall be accountable to the Church where he for the present resides or such crimes are committed and be liable to their censure as being a member of the Church-Catholike And this appears because the Church of Ephesus is commended Rev. 2.2 for trying strangers that came among them under the notion of Apostles and found them lyars and so would not receive them And our brethren undertake to inflict the sentence of Non-communion for so they call it a sentence of Non-communion denounced Apollog Nar. pag. 18. and 19. against strangers yea whole Churches but how it will stand with some other principles of theirs I know nor if it be a sentence denounced it is a censure and so an act of discipline exercised against those out of their particular confederation which in my apprehension is but changing an old warranted censure of the Church into a new and doubtful one but both seem to agree in the general nature of a sentence or censure Surely hereticks and false teachers are not to be left to the Magistrate only but to be referred to Ecclesiastical trial for those things come not under the cognizance of the civil Magistrate properly or he may be an heathen and will not regard an heretick nor can judge of him Act. 18.15 And if every kingdom will try murther treason or any foul crime committed in the same though by a stranger or alien because the crimes are against their laws and sovereign though their Laws pertain not to the countrey where the forreigner was born and dwelleth then much more shall every Church try those members of the Church-Catholike residing among them for their crimes or false doctrines seeing they have all the same sovereign head the same Laws and are all one habitual body Again It is no sinne for a man to remove from one Congregation to another as oft as occasion or conveniency require but for a man to remove out of the Church-Catholike either Entitive by disclaiming the doctrine and faith of Christ or organical by refusing to joyn to any Christian society or to be under and submit unto any Church-discipline is a great sinne and apostacy No man is accounted a schismatick for removing from one Congregation to another but he that shall separate himself from all Church-communion and shall rend himself from the Church-Catholike he is a schismatick he is an Apostate And therefore the several sects though they pretend because of wants or blemishes to rend from the Church of England or Scotland c. yet not from the Church-Catholike by no means because they know that were a sin Eightly That Church from which the particular Churches spring and to which they are as an additament and encrease that is the prime Church but that is the Church-Catholike Therefore c. The major is clear of it self The minor appears because they are the instrument to convert the rest and bring them into the same kingdom of Christ with themselves Act. 2.47 God added to the Church daily such as should be saved That little handful to which the Catholike charter was first given leavened the whole world and brought them in as an addition to themselves They were to be witnesses in Jerusalem and then in Iudaea and to the ends of the earth Act. 1.8 For the Law shall go forth of Zion and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem Isa 2.3 The Lord shall send the red of his strength out of Zion Psal 110.2 It was with the Church then as was said of the river of Eden Gen. 2.10 A river went out of Eden to water the garden and from thence it was parted into four heads So the water of life flowed from Zion into the four quarters of the world As there is no creek but hath its rise from and continuity with the Main and receives influence from it so there is no particular Church but hath his first rise and ministerial influence from the Church-Catholike and received the Gospel and priviledges of it from thence ministerially God cals no Evangelical Churches by inspiration only but by the ministry of those that are members of the Church-Catholike or some part of it God would not have Cornelius instructed by an Angel though he could have done it but by Peter a Minister of the Church-Evangelical and likewise the Eunuch by Philip. So that the Church-Catholike is as the Sea and particular Churches as so many creeks or arms receiving a tincture and season of her waters The Church-Catholike is as the tree Christ as the root the particular Churches as branches as Cyprian makes the comparison Shee is the mother and they as daughters born of her and receiving from her ministerially both nature and priviledges Gal. 4.26 Paul indeed was called extraordinarily from heaven by Christ himself the head of the Church and not by an Angel that he might be or some conceive a type of the second call of the Jews who as some hold shall be so called as he was by the appearing of the sign of the Son of man and therefore that Church is said to come down from God out of heaven Rev. 21.2 10. And the ground of this type they take from 1 Tim. 1.16 For this cause I obtained mercy that in me first Iesus Christ might shew forth all
the particular Congregation but into the whole visible body and into the general Covenant not into any particular Covenant 8. If there be an external Catholike union of fraternity between all visible Christians in the whole world there is one external visible Catholike Church But there is one external Catholike union of fraternity between all visible Christians in the whole world Therefore c. The consequence of the major appears because this fraternal union ariseth from the unity of the Church which is constituted by one Covenant into which they are all entred visibly They are not made brethren by being invisible believers only or in the same respect for then only invisible believers were brethren in the Scripture sense If any one that is called a brother be a drunkard railer extortioner c. 1 Corinth 5.11 Now few true believers are fornicators idolaters drunkards therefore this brotherhood is in regard of a visible profession and membership The minor appears because whereever the Apostles came if they found any visible believers they are said to finde brethren Act. 28.14 And it is the most usual term that the Christians were called by both in the Acts of the Apostles and in the Epistles not because they were of one particular Congregation but because of the Church-Catholike which are also called the houshold of faith Doe good unto all i. e. though heathens but especially to the houshold of faith Gal. 6.10 The houshold is commmensurable to the entertainment of the faith Not the invisible members only for they could not be known as such but all the visible members 9. If the same individual systeme or body of external laws under one command whereby all Churches equally should walk and be governed be Catholike then the Church is Catholike But there is the same individual systeme or body of external laws under one command whereby c. Therefore c. The major is proved by evidence of reason and experience of all bodies politick The minor is undeniable For the same individual systeme expressed in the Gospel totidem verbis governs and guides the whole Catholike Church It cannot be said the same in kinde only but the same for matter manner end method and expresse words unlesse we can say the several copies are several species and then we in England have so many species of laws as there be copies printed of our laws Neither is it the law written in the heart and put in the inward parts but the external systeme given to the Church as a body politick Neither is it the moral law quâ moral but that in the hand of a Mediatour with other positive laws added thereto Neither is this subjection unto these external laws arbitrary by the concurrent consent of divers Churches out of custome or because of the equity and conveniency of them vi materiae as divers Kingdoms now use the civil laws or for intercourse with forreign Churches but by vertue of the command of the authour of them Neither have particular Churches any municipal laws divine of their own superadded to distinguish them as England and Scotland have but are wholly ruled by this Catholike systeme 10. If there be a Catholike external communion intercourse and communication between all the members and in all the particular Churches in the world in worship doctrine and sign or seal of confirmation nutrition or commemoration of the same redemption visibly wrought by the same visible Saviour then all those members or Churches having this external communion intercourse and communication are one Catholike Church But there is such a communion c. Therefore c. The consequence appears because communion ariseth from membership there is an union presumed before there can be a communion admitted especially in the Lords Sup●er which is a seal and if an union then a membership for thereby they are made of the body and if the communion be visible and external then so is the union from whence it floweth for qualis effectus talis est causa And though there may be an admittance of a heathen to be present at the word singing praier yet it is not an admittance into fellowship for then we should have spiritual fellowship with idolaters they may come and see what fellowship Christians enjoy with Christ and one with another but they are not admitted into that fellowship while heathens and idolaters but after conversion professed subjection and believing After the 3000. were converted by Peter and were baptized they continued stedfastly in the Apostles doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and praier Act. 2.41 42. And yet were not of one particular Church not as our brethren themselves tell us as I shewed before therefore as members in general And nothing is more usual then for members of one Congregation to joyn in the fellowship of the word read and preached in singing and prayer with members of divers Congregations together as at lectures or other occasions and frequently also at the Lords table even among our brethren in New-England members of far distant Congregations do communicate occasionally Also all the visible Churches on earth pray publikely and give thanks and on occasion may fast for the welfare of the whole Church on earth As for the evasion which some of our brethren have that this communion of strangers with them is by vertue of a particular present transient membership with them I conceive it of no force nor warranted in the word of God Then should those men be members of two Churches at once then ought they to contribute to that Minister then ought that Minister to take the charge of them then by some of our brethrens positions should the whole Congregation have a hand in their admission Also if there be any Ecclesiastical admissions or censures or transactions or contributions that concern that particular Congregation they also ought being members to have their vote and consent and hand therein And then by the same reason all that came to a lecture which is a Church-fellowship in divine Ordinances of singing praier preaching and blessing the people must so many times turn members of that Congregation where such a meeting is And then is it a dangerous thing to hear a lecture in a Congregation where the Minister or people are corrupt for we thereby make our selves members of that Congregation and so put our selves under that Pastour and those Elders for the present and thereby give our allowance of them It is not a sub●tane occasional meeting that can make a person a member of a Congregation but constancy quoad intentionem saltem saith Ames in medul●a lib. 1. cap. 32. Sect. 21. And for communion of Churches I shall speak of it afterward And by this that hath been said I suppose the minor is cleared also 11. If the censure of excommunication of a person in one Congregation cuts him off from the Church-Catholike visible in regard of communion which formerly he had right unto then is there a
which is the way our brethren now practise vind pag. 9. Here he granteth what is contended for if the whole were convenable i. e. as I conceive all the Officers of the whole Church But if that could be I doubt he holds they must either act as men out of office or an particular Officers every one in reference to his particular Congregation or can their convention together put a general office upon them which they had not before or draw forth general actions that concern the whole from them that had no habitual power reaching the whole but if all the Officers met together can rule the whole because every particular Congregation hath its Officer there why hath not a part thereof convened power to rule that part also seeing the right and reason is the same seeing the Church is a similar body in regard of the integrals and the parts are similar parts And if so here will be an unavoidable ground for classical associations where all the Officers may meet And himself freely acknowledgeth the conveniency and necessity of Classes yea and Synods also for direction and determination and that by divine right though not with power properly juridical vind pag. 3. But then their directions and determinations must be by his opinion but charitative and by their skill only and not by vertue of their office But the reason why his parallel of a Kingdom where a part cannot make laws for that part holdeth not is because the whole Kingdom is under one legislative power and combined together in a body representative under one head who have power to make uniform laws for the whole but neither the Church-Catholike nor any particular Church can make any new divine laws or abrogate any of them which Christ hath set down but explain them and make particular rules according to the general and not otherwise and put Christs laws in execution and this a particular combination may do in their sphear for their limits And so as farre as their Commissions reach the Officers in a Corporation may make constitutions for the Corporation so they be not contrary to their charter and the Justices or Committees for a County may make Orders for the County so they be agreeable to the Laws of the Land whereof the County is a part and have habitual power to execute justice in any part of the County as occasion serveth though they for conveniency sake do usually act in their several divisions A Justice or Mayor or Constable cannot act beyond their County Corporation or Town though they be desired and called without a new Commission but a Minister may preach and administer Sacraments in any part of the Church-Catholike upon a call and why not also act judicially and juridically and where according to the foresaid limitation if he hath a call to bring his habitual power into act seeing the keys are commensurable Sect. 3. But then he comes to state the question positively what it is And he sets it down thus viz. Whether the whole company of Christians on earth are in their ordinary and setled Church-constitution so one intire single Common-wealth Corporation and Congregation as that of right and by the will and appointment of Jesus Christ it is the first subject of all Church-power by authority whereof and commission from which all particular Churches act and to the determinations of the major part whereof they are to yield obedience if not apparently contrary to the word of God and the Catholike governing power whereof resides immediatly as in its proper subject under Christ only in the Ministers and Elders and they not taken severally but jointly as one entire College or Presbytery to whose charge severally and jointly the whole and every particular Church is committed c. And this assertion M. Ellis sets down with in the margin and cites Apollonius and the London-Ministers as the Authors of it as if they were their very words but they are niether their words non sense I wonder Sir who ever dreamed of such an assertion but your self It is not honest dealing to lay the births of your own brains at other mens doors to make them father them The like stating of it is again vind pag. 40. where the same Authours are cited viz. Apollon cap. 3. sect 4. And Jus Divinum pag. 43. and pag. 163. And again vind p. 27. and there are cited for it Apollon cap. 3. pag. 41. And Hudson p 25. as assertors of this opinion expresly But I am sure there in no such thing asserted by these Authours in any of those places And if he saith it is drawn by consequence from their tenets I answer it is not accounted fair dealing to affirm those consequences that may be drawn from any mans opinion to be his opinion when haply he was never aware of any such consequences or doth deny the consequence of them from his opinion Much lesse is it fair to set them down in capital letters and with marks in the margin which usually importeth them to be their very words or to make that the main controversie which is not owned by the opposite partee but haply may be drawn by consequence The scope of Apollonius and the London-Ministers is to set down the proper subject and receptacle of the keys first negatively not the people or catus fidelium nor the civil Magistrate though they grant him a defensive diatactick compulsive cumulative power a power circa sacra non in sacris nor Papal Officers as Cardinals c. nor prelatical as Deans Arch-Deacons c. nor political Officers as Committees Commissioners nor Deacons But positively all those Church-guides extraordinary and ordinary which christ hath erected in his Church vesting then with power and authority therein viz. Apostles Prophets Evangelists Pastours and Teachers governments or ruling-Elders these Christ hath made the immediate receptacle and first subject of the keys or of Ecclesiastical pover from himself So say the London-Ministers expresly Now suppose they had undertaken to set down who were the proper subject of civil authority under the King and should first negatively say it is not the Physician nor the Chirurgion nor the Mathematician nor the Merchants nor Mariners nor Tradesmen nor Husbadmen and Farmers but positively they are the Judges Sheriffs Justices Maiors Bayliffs and Constables Would any one gather from hence that all these Officers not taken severally but jointly are one entire actual college of Officers to whose charge severally and jointly the whole and every part of the Kingdom is committed by authority whereof and dependance upon which common Officers the Officers of every particular Town do act Besides this stating of the question is not consistent with it self for it makes the Church-Catholike the first subject of all Church-power and then makes the Ministers and Elders the proper subject thereof but the proper subject is the prime subject Unlesse he means in a logical sense as sight is predicated of the whole man and yet
the Congregation That by Baptism we are admitted into the Church I think is without doubt for if persons baptized be not members of the visible Church then the seal of the Covenant is administred to those that are and remain o●● of the Church and so were no initial seal which were absurd to say M. Ball in his Catechism hath this passage Baptism is a Sacrament of our ingrafting into Christ communion with him and entrance into the Church for which he citeth Mat 28.19 Act. 8.38 And afterwards explains himself It doth saith he solemnly signifie and seal their ingrafting into Christ and confirm that they are acknowledged members of the Church and entred into it And that we are thereby admitted members not of a particular Congregation but the Church-Catholike appears because we are baptized into one body 1 Cor. 12.13 And this appears further because he that is baptized in one Congregation is baptized all over the world and is not to be re-baptized but is taken as a member of the Church whereever he becomes See before Chap. 6. Now that baptizing is an act of office appears Joh. 1.33 He that sent me to baptize And Go teach all Nations and baptize them c. Mat. 28. was the substance of the Apostles Commission And though Paul 1 Cor. 1.17 saith Christ sent me not to baptize but to preach the Gospel yet that is meant not principally for he was sent also to baptize else he might not have done it which we reade he did And that by an act of this office we are baptized into the Church-Catholike appears because John Baptist baptized all Jerusalem Judea and all the region round about Iordan And the Disciples of Christ made and baptized more Disciples then Iohn and that without any relation to any particular Congregations which had it been necessary or had baptism been ordained in reference to particular Congregations they could have combined them into So Peter caused Cornelius and his friends to be baptized Act. 10.48 but no mention is made of any Congregation into which they were baptized And Philip baptized the Eunuch but not into any particular Congregation Into what Congregation did Ananias baptize Paul Act. 9.18 Or how can it appear that Ananias was an Evangelist or any extraordinary Officer he is called a Disciple at Damascus it is probable he was one of the Elders there but that Paul was ever a fixed member of any particular Congregation it appears not That which is answered to this is that they which administred Baptism so indefinitely were extraordinary general Officers which are now ceased But this salves it not for if the immediate right to Baptism c. comes to the receiver by being a member of a particular instituted Congregation as M. Norton and M. A. and M. S. in Def. Ch. 4. pag. 73. tels us then John Baptist Christs Disciples Philip and Ananias though he had been an Evangelist administred it to such as had no actual and immediate right to receive it Indeed the answer implyeth a more large actual extensive power in the administrers either to have constituted new Churches or to administer in any constituted Churches but it gives not them power to administer any Ordinance of God to such as had no right thereto nor power to the receivers to receive it without actual right in an undue order It gives them not jus in re who had in themselves only jus ad rem as their distinction is And the proof brought p. 76. out of Act. 5.14 is as I conceive mistaken Their words are these Beleevers were added first they were beleevers standing in that spiritual relation to Christ and his whole body and then added to the Church by visible combination But it is not said they were added to the Church but added to the Lord and it were incongruous to gather thence that they were first beleevers and after that were added to the Lord by a second act seeing their adding to the Lord was by beleeving and that which added them to the Lord the head and King added them to the body and Kingdom And whereas they say that Justification and Adoption c. flow immediatly from internal union with Christ but instituted Ordinances and Priviledges mediatly and in such an order as Christ hath in wisedom ordained and the nature of visible government and Ordinances of Christ necessarily require pag. 76. If they mean by it being members of particular Congregations then would I know whether hearing the word publikely preached or read or joyning in publike singing or in keeping a day of publike thanksgiving or fasting or making rows or taking oaths which are instituted Ordinances may not be permitted to any but such as are members of particular Congregations The Apostles carried about one with them whom they called 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 a Minister Act. 13.5 who was no Apostle and he baptized for them into the Church-Catholike and when a sufficient number were converted and baptized then followed the particular relation of a particular Congregation by ordaining Officers to take the particular care over them So Tychicus Col. 4.7 is called a beloved brother and faithful Minister and fellow-servant in the Lord. And Eph. 6.21 he hath the same stile given him Certainly he could not be a peculiar Minister to both those distant Churches and haply he was so to neither of them if we may give any credit to Dorotheus who saith he was Bishop of Chalcedon in Bithynia Apollos baptized at Corinth 1 Cor. 3.4 and yet was no Apostle but a Minister and steward of the mysteries of God as well as they 1 Cor. 4.1 Hence is that distinction of Iunius in his Animadversions on Bellarm. c. 7. nor 7. Alia est electio sive vocatio communis quâ vir bonus pius doctus aptus absolutè eligitur ad ministerium verbi 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 alia particularis sive singularis quâ ad ministerium singulariter huic vel illi Ecclesiae praeficiendus eligitur 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 And the Scripture alwaies calling the beleevers in one city one Church even Ierusalem though there were many thousands yea myriads i. e. many ten thousands of beleeving Jews therein as Iames tels Paul Act. 21.20 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 which were all probably of Ierusalem as appears first because they were not such as could bear any witnesse against Paul but by hearsay they are informed of thee But the Jews disperst amongst the Gentiles having seen and heard Paul could have testified of their own knowledge and would not be blinded with Pauls present conformity And secondly because they only or Ierusalem could receive satisfaction by Pauls conformity to the Law at Ierusalem at that time and not the others Also the holy Ghost calling the Elders of those cities the Elders of the Church in communi it leaveth it uncertain to me whether the several Elders were fixed over the particular Congregations or taught and ruled in communi as the Ministers do now in