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A14184 A demonstration of the trueth of that discipline which Christe hath prescribed in his worde for the gouernment of his Church, in all times and places, vntill the ende of the worlde Wherein are gathered into a plaine forme of reasoning, the proofes thereof; out of the scriptures, the euidence of it by the light of reason rightly ruled, and the testimonies that haue beene giuen therevnto, by the course of the churche certaine hundredths of yeares after the Apostles time; and the generall consent of the Churches rightly reformed in these latter times: according as they are alleaged and maintained, in those seuerall bookes that haue bin written concerning the same. Udall, John, 1560?-1592. 1588 (1588) STC 24499; ESTC S103026 63,031 134

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the_o apostle_n establish_v uniformity_n even_o in_o the_o mean_a thing_n then_o must_v it_o need_v follow_v that_o there_o ought_v to_o be_v such_o elder_n in_o every_o congregation_n as_o be_v to_o assist_v the_o minister_n in_o the_o government_n of_o the_o same_o they_o confess_v it_o be_v so_o in_o the_o apostle_n time_n but_o seem_v to_o say_v somewhat_o that_o it_o can_v be_v under_o a_o christian_n magistrate_n thus_o 1_o objection_n god_n have_v give_v the_o sovereign_a authority_n over_o his_o church_n to_o the_o christian_a magistrate_n which_o these_o elder_n will_v abridge_v answer_v no_o more_o than_o the_o eldership_n abridge_v the_o sovereignty_n of_o david_n over_o israel_n for_o his_o government_n be_v temporal_a and_o they_o spiritual_a 2_o objection_n gualther_n upon_o the_o 1._o cor._n 5._o deni_v it_o to_o be_v needful_a under_o a_o christian_n magistrate_n answer_v gualther_n deni_v excommunication_n under_o a_o christian_n magistrate_n he_o be_v as_o partial_a 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and_o peace_n which_o quench_v good_a thing_n they_o they_o be_v in_o the_o time_n of_o the_o apostle_n therefore_o there_o be_v as_o great_a if_o not_o great_a need_v of_o elder_n now_o then_o be_v in_o the_o time_n of_o the_o apostle_n 2_o if_o christian_n magistrate_n be_v to_o maintain_v the_o order_n that_o christ_n have_v set_v down_o for_o the_o government_n of_o his_o church_n then_o must_v there_o be_v elder_n in_o it_o under_o a_o christian_a magistrate_n for_o elder_n be_v approve_v of_o christ_n 1._o cor._n 12._o 8._o but_o christian_a magistrate_n be_v to_o maintain_v the_o order_n that_o christ_n have_v set_v down_o for_o the_o rule_n of_o his_o church_n isai._n 49._o 23._o therefore_o there_o must_v be_v elder_n in_o the_o church_n under_o a_o christian_n magistrate_n 3_o if_o the_o rule_n of_o christ_n can_v be_v perpetual_o observe_v tell_v the_o